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I would kindly like to request the editors of this article to use, from time to time, the concerned state's name (RoC) instead of "Cyprus" to avoid giving a wrong impression to the reader that the whole of the island is having a financial crisis. AFAIK, the economy of Northern Cyprus (TRNC) may not be creating wonders but it is far from being "bankrupt" like the economy of the so-called "Republic of Cyprus", as confessed by its President several days ago. Thanks in advance. -- E4024 ( talk) 17:36, 17 December 2012 (UTC)
Is it "austerity" simply to pay debts and limit spending to income? Is "austerity" a misnomer? ( EnochBethany ( talk) 18:30, 22 March 2013 (UTC))
I've found a source that says the European Central Bank warned against this deal. [1]. I think we should give a more detailed description of the measures put forward by the Eurogroup, which includes anti-money laundering. [2] John Vandenberg ( chat) 19:48, 18 March 2013 (UTC)
Globalpost says "All Eurogroup ministers wanted the 100,000 euros to be untaxed," one Greek finance ministry official said. "Cyprus doesn't want to impose a large tax above 100,000 because the money will flow out. Two thirds of deposits are from abroad."
So, who actually proposed this levy on <100,000-euro savings accounts?
Irish Examiner is asking the same question. What is certain is Eurogroup is requiring Cypriots to raise 5.8billion euro in order to receive 10billion euro, and their rescue package includes this 'once-off stability levy', but who came up with the "6.7% for deposits up to €100.000 and 9.9% for higher deposits" deal?
John Vandenberg (
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02:47, 19 March 2013 (UTC)
"giving Moscow plenty of leverage over the situation" this may be correct, but it's highly POV and the opinion of a Guardian writer. I've removed it. -- IP98 ( talk) 23:17, 18 March 2013 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: Not moved. Jafeluv ( talk) 15:50, 26 March 2013 (UTC)
– What other financial crises have these had? The full titles are overly long and unnecessary, as in evidence by the red links and redirects. Generally, when referring to financial crises in these countries, there is no scope for confusion. Other articles, such as European sovereign-debt crisis and Great Recession, do not use the years so why are the countries affected treated differently? 86.40.198.66 ( talk) 23:25, 19 March 2013 (UTC)
I've added a consequences subsection to the Eurozone/IMF_deal section.
This new subsection needs expansion as the consequences of the proposed bank deposit levy have been significant.
The first sentence that I added to this section related to bitcoin, as it came to my attention when it was found to be highly correlated heavily reported in the media. Two users have now removed this sentence citing spam, however it is not spam per WP:WPSPAM.
Please expand upon the consequences subsection, but do not delete well-referenced verifiable content. Also please be mindful of WP:3RR.
Best regards, Djbaniel ( talk) 08:30, 23 March 2013 (UTC)
Greetings OsmanRF34,
I noticed that you've deleted the consequences subsection in the Eurozone.2FIMF_deal section of 2012–2013 Cypriot financial crisis.
I created the consequences subsection for editors to write about various consequences of the Eurozone/IMF Cyprus deal (a subset of consequences (including public reactions) of the 2012–2013 Cypriot financial crisis as a whole).
I've only contributed one sentence to the new subsection, but there are many other consequences that deserve to be covered.
Would you care to discuss this matter? I've added a section on the talk page: Talk:2012–2013_Cypriot_financial_crisis#Consequences_subsection_in_Eurozone.2FIMF_deal
I notice you've been editing Wikipedia since (at least) May 3, 2012, so I trust that you're familiar with the various Wikipedia:Policies_and_guidelines, and that you know you are welcome to contribute to the continuous improvement of these policies.
I noticed you deleted my writing describing substantial increased interest in bitcoin as it relates to the Eurozone/IMF Cyprus deal, citing "spam" and "rmv bitcoin alusion. No serious source." However it is not spam per WP:WPSPAM and please define what you mean by "serious source" as it pertains to WP:V. (Sources of my sentence now include Forbes, ABC News, Businessweek, Bloomberg, etc.)
Also I trust you are familiar with WP:3RR and WP:EW to prevent us from falling into the trap of non-productive reverts without discussion.
I look forward to finding a way to work with you in building a better 2012–2013 Cypriot financial crisis article.
Best regards, Djbaniel ( talk) 20:18, 25 March 2013 (UTC)
Is this affecting Northern Cyprus & if so, how so? 108.201.220.243 ( talk) 11:07, 24 March 2013 (UTC)
NYT is reporting that the terms have been agreed upon [4], including Laiki Bank being wound down and depositors losing money [5], but apparently not as part of a tax, so presumably the bank itself will be removing money from the balance sheets of depositors, and probably only depositors with more than 100,000 Euro due to deposit insurance. John Vandenberg ( chat) 03:07, 25 March 2013 (UTC)
This jaunty euphemism (for a one-time tax, yes?) of pop journalism should be confined to a single parenthetical aside: ("haircut").-- Wetman ( talk) 17:36, 25 March 2013 (UTC)
Haircut is a phrase that journalists use for impression 688dim ( talk) 19:52, 7 April 2013 (UTC)
Comments on the following please, before I do anything about them:
here's an IMF press release on it from the time
The Christofias Administration then started referring to "interim agreement".
This is important to note, because that unilateral announcement was in fact prompted by a bank run on Laiki (Cyprus Popular Bank). See here: Operation bailout: the dramatic backstage scenes
Richardbourke ( talk) 15:15, 10 April 2013 (UTC)
Richardbourke ( talk) 19:25, 11 April 2013 (UTC)
As I mentioned before, I think a short section with statistics on
would help in the contexts section. Finding good statistics is pretty hard, and its entirely possible I've missed stuff (not being able to read greek doesn't help either).
So far: this is what I've got, in order of decreasing usefulness :
To be blunt, I don't believe that statistic for cyprus (the spanish one is complete nonsense too). And I seem to recall there was tension back late last year over a Troika demand that cyprus started using international standard definitions for non-performing loans. Letter from the Association of Cyprus Banks complaining about that, and so on. Obviously, the higher the percentage of NPL, the higher the necessary recapitalisation, the higher the end bailout figures.
Comments? My plan is just a two-line section, indicating a 30% (commercial), 26% (residential) fall in prices from 2009 (cite rics property index). I'll quote the world-bank NPL figure and dig up a citation that cyprus currently has a non-standard definition of non-performing loans. (my plan would be to cite this one with our pants down (leaf research). A very clear and (to me, convincing) explanation of why the association of cypriot banks really, really wanted to hold to their own definition of NPL. Richardbourke ( talk) 15:42, 13 April 2013 (UTC)
Hi, we have a range of dead links on the article, mostly (I haven't checked them all) to Cyprus Mail, which seems to remove its articles after six months or so. Given that this paper is one of the *very few* sources in english for this subject (even if its very biased against President Christofias and Central Bank Head Demetriades), I propose we take action as per the guidelinesagainst this Link rot
If anybody knows where those articles go permanently, after being moved, so that they can be safely cited, please do speak up. If not, I think either web-archiving services (not yet tried) or use of quoting in the Cite Web Template — Preceding unsigned comment added by Richardbourke ( talk • contribs) 08:16, 14 April 2013 (UTC)
>> Cyprus approves privatisation bill ( Lihaas ( talk) 15:53, 4 March 2014 (UTC)).
The links regarding the Russian loan were fake. One was about Greece, the second was not a link to The Guardian newspaper but to Athens News and a page that did not exist. Politis ( talk) 17:53, 7 April 2015 (UTC)
"Do not delete cited information solely because the URL to the source does not work any longer. WP:Verifiability does not require that all information be supported by a working link, nor does it require the source to be published online."As it stands, the second link is active, but behind a WP:PAYWALL. The second link I've left as a dead link, but have searched out other sources with the same information. Thank you for your attention. -- Iryna Harpy ( talk) 10:12, 8 April 2015 (UTC)
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Something is wrong with these numbers in "...program would be revised to reduce the required amount from €10,000,00 to €3,000,000 euros." What is "10,000,00"? Do you mean 10,000,000? 2600:1700:4CA1:3C80:4171:C622:27E4:6FF1 ( talk) 05:20, 18 September 2022 (UTC)
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I would kindly like to request the editors of this article to use, from time to time, the concerned state's name (RoC) instead of "Cyprus" to avoid giving a wrong impression to the reader that the whole of the island is having a financial crisis. AFAIK, the economy of Northern Cyprus (TRNC) may not be creating wonders but it is far from being "bankrupt" like the economy of the so-called "Republic of Cyprus", as confessed by its President several days ago. Thanks in advance. -- E4024 ( talk) 17:36, 17 December 2012 (UTC)
Is it "austerity" simply to pay debts and limit spending to income? Is "austerity" a misnomer? ( EnochBethany ( talk) 18:30, 22 March 2013 (UTC))
I've found a source that says the European Central Bank warned against this deal. [1]. I think we should give a more detailed description of the measures put forward by the Eurogroup, which includes anti-money laundering. [2] John Vandenberg ( chat) 19:48, 18 March 2013 (UTC)
Globalpost says "All Eurogroup ministers wanted the 100,000 euros to be untaxed," one Greek finance ministry official said. "Cyprus doesn't want to impose a large tax above 100,000 because the money will flow out. Two thirds of deposits are from abroad."
So, who actually proposed this levy on <100,000-euro savings accounts?
Irish Examiner is asking the same question. What is certain is Eurogroup is requiring Cypriots to raise 5.8billion euro in order to receive 10billion euro, and their rescue package includes this 'once-off stability levy', but who came up with the "6.7% for deposits up to €100.000 and 9.9% for higher deposits" deal?
John Vandenberg (
chat)
02:47, 19 March 2013 (UTC)
"giving Moscow plenty of leverage over the situation" this may be correct, but it's highly POV and the opinion of a Guardian writer. I've removed it. -- IP98 ( talk) 23:17, 18 March 2013 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: Not moved. Jafeluv ( talk) 15:50, 26 March 2013 (UTC)
– What other financial crises have these had? The full titles are overly long and unnecessary, as in evidence by the red links and redirects. Generally, when referring to financial crises in these countries, there is no scope for confusion. Other articles, such as European sovereign-debt crisis and Great Recession, do not use the years so why are the countries affected treated differently? 86.40.198.66 ( talk) 23:25, 19 March 2013 (UTC)
I've added a consequences subsection to the Eurozone/IMF_deal section.
This new subsection needs expansion as the consequences of the proposed bank deposit levy have been significant.
The first sentence that I added to this section related to bitcoin, as it came to my attention when it was found to be highly correlated heavily reported in the media. Two users have now removed this sentence citing spam, however it is not spam per WP:WPSPAM.
Please expand upon the consequences subsection, but do not delete well-referenced verifiable content. Also please be mindful of WP:3RR.
Best regards, Djbaniel ( talk) 08:30, 23 March 2013 (UTC)
Greetings OsmanRF34,
I noticed that you've deleted the consequences subsection in the Eurozone.2FIMF_deal section of 2012–2013 Cypriot financial crisis.
I created the consequences subsection for editors to write about various consequences of the Eurozone/IMF Cyprus deal (a subset of consequences (including public reactions) of the 2012–2013 Cypriot financial crisis as a whole).
I've only contributed one sentence to the new subsection, but there are many other consequences that deserve to be covered.
Would you care to discuss this matter? I've added a section on the talk page: Talk:2012–2013_Cypriot_financial_crisis#Consequences_subsection_in_Eurozone.2FIMF_deal
I notice you've been editing Wikipedia since (at least) May 3, 2012, so I trust that you're familiar with the various Wikipedia:Policies_and_guidelines, and that you know you are welcome to contribute to the continuous improvement of these policies.
I noticed you deleted my writing describing substantial increased interest in bitcoin as it relates to the Eurozone/IMF Cyprus deal, citing "spam" and "rmv bitcoin alusion. No serious source." However it is not spam per WP:WPSPAM and please define what you mean by "serious source" as it pertains to WP:V. (Sources of my sentence now include Forbes, ABC News, Businessweek, Bloomberg, etc.)
Also I trust you are familiar with WP:3RR and WP:EW to prevent us from falling into the trap of non-productive reverts without discussion.
I look forward to finding a way to work with you in building a better 2012–2013 Cypriot financial crisis article.
Best regards, Djbaniel ( talk) 20:18, 25 March 2013 (UTC)
Is this affecting Northern Cyprus & if so, how so? 108.201.220.243 ( talk) 11:07, 24 March 2013 (UTC)
NYT is reporting that the terms have been agreed upon [4], including Laiki Bank being wound down and depositors losing money [5], but apparently not as part of a tax, so presumably the bank itself will be removing money from the balance sheets of depositors, and probably only depositors with more than 100,000 Euro due to deposit insurance. John Vandenberg ( chat) 03:07, 25 March 2013 (UTC)
This jaunty euphemism (for a one-time tax, yes?) of pop journalism should be confined to a single parenthetical aside: ("haircut").-- Wetman ( talk) 17:36, 25 March 2013 (UTC)
Haircut is a phrase that journalists use for impression 688dim ( talk) 19:52, 7 April 2013 (UTC)
Comments on the following please, before I do anything about them:
here's an IMF press release on it from the time
The Christofias Administration then started referring to "interim agreement".
This is important to note, because that unilateral announcement was in fact prompted by a bank run on Laiki (Cyprus Popular Bank). See here: Operation bailout: the dramatic backstage scenes
Richardbourke ( talk) 15:15, 10 April 2013 (UTC)
Richardbourke ( talk) 19:25, 11 April 2013 (UTC)
As I mentioned before, I think a short section with statistics on
would help in the contexts section. Finding good statistics is pretty hard, and its entirely possible I've missed stuff (not being able to read greek doesn't help either).
So far: this is what I've got, in order of decreasing usefulness :
To be blunt, I don't believe that statistic for cyprus (the spanish one is complete nonsense too). And I seem to recall there was tension back late last year over a Troika demand that cyprus started using international standard definitions for non-performing loans. Letter from the Association of Cyprus Banks complaining about that, and so on. Obviously, the higher the percentage of NPL, the higher the necessary recapitalisation, the higher the end bailout figures.
Comments? My plan is just a two-line section, indicating a 30% (commercial), 26% (residential) fall in prices from 2009 (cite rics property index). I'll quote the world-bank NPL figure and dig up a citation that cyprus currently has a non-standard definition of non-performing loans. (my plan would be to cite this one with our pants down (leaf research). A very clear and (to me, convincing) explanation of why the association of cypriot banks really, really wanted to hold to their own definition of NPL. Richardbourke ( talk) 15:42, 13 April 2013 (UTC)
Hi, we have a range of dead links on the article, mostly (I haven't checked them all) to Cyprus Mail, which seems to remove its articles after six months or so. Given that this paper is one of the *very few* sources in english for this subject (even if its very biased against President Christofias and Central Bank Head Demetriades), I propose we take action as per the guidelinesagainst this Link rot
If anybody knows where those articles go permanently, after being moved, so that they can be safely cited, please do speak up. If not, I think either web-archiving services (not yet tried) or use of quoting in the Cite Web Template — Preceding unsigned comment added by Richardbourke ( talk • contribs) 08:16, 14 April 2013 (UTC)
>> Cyprus approves privatisation bill ( Lihaas ( talk) 15:53, 4 March 2014 (UTC)).
The links regarding the Russian loan were fake. One was about Greece, the second was not a link to The Guardian newspaper but to Athens News and a page that did not exist. Politis ( talk) 17:53, 7 April 2015 (UTC)
"Do not delete cited information solely because the URL to the source does not work any longer. WP:Verifiability does not require that all information be supported by a working link, nor does it require the source to be published online."As it stands, the second link is active, but behind a WP:PAYWALL. The second link I've left as a dead link, but have searched out other sources with the same information. Thank you for your attention. -- Iryna Harpy ( talk) 10:12, 8 April 2015 (UTC)
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Something is wrong with these numbers in "...program would be revised to reduce the required amount from €10,000,00 to €3,000,000 euros." What is "10,000,00"? Do you mean 10,000,000? 2600:1700:4CA1:3C80:4171:C622:27E4:6FF1 ( talk) 05:20, 18 September 2022 (UTC)