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Hello again, everyone! As usual, I'm here to take care of the craziness that often ensues around this particular year. Yes, I know you are all very concerned about what could or could not happen in this year. But even if you're just regular people looking forward to marvels in the future, or more 'peculiar' chaps with 'peculiar' predictions regarding this year, we can all agree this year will probably pop out more often than not the closer we get to it, due to its 'inflating coolness'. I sincerely hope this 'coolness' doesn't get out of hand. But if it does, that's what I'm here for!
My proposed conditions were already stated before, so if you disagree with anything I say and do here, please read them before you come at me.
So it continues!
While the Aztec and MAYAN calendars are similar in its influences and cultural connotations, the Long Count will end this year in the MAYAN CALENDAR, and (as far as I could find out) the Aztec calendar doesn't even have a Long Count, or anything similar that would indicate the end of a cycle in any year! If I'm wrong about this in any way (and I was wrong when I let this slip at the last cleanup, so sorry 'bout that!), then please, o experts of all things Aztec, correct and enlighten us with the exact mechanics of the Aztec calendar!*The long count will end in the Aztec calendar.
This actually talks about a recommendation to the US Congress about what that group claims should be done by 2012. Listen, I'm sure this proposal has its grounds and is probably important for those who would get covered by this and whatnot, but, come on, is it really so important to know the year this 'would' be happening? It's a recommendation, not something that has already passed and will surely be done! My point is that it's too early to know if this proposal will even pass to the US congress, and even earlier to know it will actually happen! I think I've said enough to make clear that, at least for now, this is not really worth mentioning here.By 2012, the USA government should guarantee full Health Insurance for all Americans, as urged by a non-partisan advisory panel created by Congress. [1]
I can't stress this enough, and I hope I have to say it just once:The calendars of ancient Mesoamerica (Maya and Aztec) come to an end in 2012, at the time of the Winter Solstice (December 21). This can be interpreted as either the absolute end of the world, the beginning of a new and better age, or the shift of human consciousness to a higher level or existence.
The nature of the Mayan calendar is better explained here. The mayans believed in life as a cycle, renewing every now and then for benefit of all. So saying their calendar ENDS anywhere is ignorance. I don't know how to put it more clearly without seriously questioning anyone's intelligence. Again, if you disagree with this, then you're probably an expert of some sort with reasons to believe otherwise, so feel free to rebuke.THE MAYAN CALENDAR DOESN'T "END" ON DECEMBER 21, 2012. On that date a Long Count finishes, and that is pretty significant, but it doesn't just "stop" then, after that a new Long Count begins!!
OMG. This would be a very, very crude joke, if it weren't that it's actually true [2] [3]. But... I don't really know what to say here. For me, as cruel as it might sound, this classifies as "Too much information" or "something I REALLY didn't need to know", but I still feel remorse of putting this out. I'm... sorry? Anyway, if ANYONE thinks this should stay here, I would understand, but I would also not comment anymore on this subject. Ever.2012 is the target date for everyone in India to have access to a toilet, putting an end to defecation in public.
Again, I'm sure this is important for present and future workers in the state of Iowa, United States, but... seriously. It's just a projection. For ONE of the FIFTY+ states of ONE of the 190+ countries in the world. Do you think it's probable that someone coming here, even just one, will actually care about this? Because I don't think so. Sorry all you Iowans... Iowanites...Iowies... oh whatever, who cares!!!!It is projected that by 2012 the state of Iowa could have as many as 200,000 more jobs than workers to fill them, which could lead to better wages and benefits. See USA Today, 03/20/2006.
I really thought this had some serious journalism behind it, but the "Tibetan Monks" comment above does make a strong point. Crazy India people and their wacky news.It is claimed that unnamed Tibetan monks specializing in remote viewing predict that divine extra-terrestrials will intervene at a point where the world's governments are about to deploy weapons of mass destruction. Adding to this, the Tibetan Monks say that the world is not ready to be destroyed and that our Earth is blessed and being saved continuously from all kinds of hazards of which mankind is not even aware. [4]
Yes, this is one of the thousand claims of something transcendental happening in 2012, but that's exactly the point of what I'm doing here! There's way too many of this in the Internet and elsewhere, and Wikipedia is definitely not the place to put it as well! PLEASE stop putting claims and links like this one, and you'll be making mine and all other contributors' jobs a lot easier! Thanks!The Reverend Dr. Sun Myung Moon from Korea, has proclaimed 2012 as the ending and final fulfilling stage of mankind's long seeking quest for an absolute Sinless World.[external link to one of the thousand pages with esoteric references to 2012].
This was already adressed with more clarity and support before in a Bible code comment, but this person decided to rant on about the subject, which resulted in this poorly constructed comment. You didn't even worry about putting a supporting link, or anything! Until someone decides to link properly to an explanatory page where this exact premise of the Bible code is explained, I will revert this to a comment with a link to the Bible code page, which has plenty of external links to find this out.A hidden code found within the Torah through the computation of equidistant letters sequences shows signs of a comet within this year producing one of two outcomes: Either hitting and destroying the Earth, or crumbling into pieces. The two codes are found very close to each other within the Torah, and through the use of mathematical shortcut matrices, can be pieced together accordingly. These two statements are, "Comet...5772 [2012 according to the Gregorian calendar]...Earth Annihilated" and "Comet...It Will Be Crumbled, I Will Tear It To Pieces...5772 [2012 according to the Gregorian calendar]."
I have no idea how this John Titor guy and his crazy forum posts got a pretty long article on Wikipedia. But as I said before, this isn't the place to argue about the credibility of theories like this. The fact remains that it's just a very brief mention of the year 2012 he makes, and it's not even about the apocalypse or anything similar, so it's not worth mentioning here, in my opinion. Anyone disagree?The supposed time traveller John Titor predicts some unusual events in 2012, but nothing like the end of the world : his comments are more about something like the Red Sea passage.
Whew! Now I'll get to the actual changes, and as always, any comment or suggestion is welcome. Keep working on Wikipedia, everyone! Thank you! Kreachure 21:14, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
I've rewritten the Dec 21 entry (period-ending in Maya Long Count calendar), removing the more egrarious New Age/Arguelles-inspired misconceptions and attempted to separate out and make clear the differences between scholarly and speculative (re-)interpretations. The John Major Jenkins theories (concerning solstices and equinoctal processions) I've omitted as non-standard / minority interpretation. If specific references are required would be happy to supply them, but they are also reflected/mentioned in the Maya calendar article itself.
I also took out the reference to the Aztec calendar, as there are in fact no observances of mesoamerican long count-style calendrics in the documentation of this postclassic culture. Also added in Dec 23 as the other correlated date for this event, still supported by some in the field.-- cjllw | TALK 02:54, 12 September 2006 (UTC)
Hi, again. In a few words, I'm speechless. As of today, the page is in excellent conditions, better than I last left it. I only had to take out a few things that aren't even worth mentioning. I wish the article remained this healthy! Kreachure 15:22, 26 December 2006 (UTC)
this is sopposed to be the end or the begining of a new era according to the mayan calendar. Its Dec 21 2012 and from another source and Group its april-22-2012
I just found the following paragraph on the Armageddon Online site:
It appears to be a word-for-word duplicate of the language used in the December 21 reference in this Wikipedia article. The Armageddon Online site has a copyright citation at the bottom of their page. However, I have no way of determining if the text originated on that site or on Wikipedia but, either way, there appears to be a copyright issue here. Joekoz451 04:35, 1 January 2007 (UTC)
This article includes the reference: "On December 23, 1986, Dr. Jason Malcolm discovered Canes Venatici at Lowell Observatory in Flagstaff, Arizona."
I'm not sure what this is supposed to say, but as it's written, it makes no sense - Canes Venatici is a constellation in the northern hemisphere, so designated in the 17th century by Hevelius. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Lsibley ( talk • contribs) 06:36, 18 February 2007 (UTC).
"Canes Venatici"? surely we're doomed!
I think this little section is a victim of hype. Alot of different sources have presented a plethora (sp?) of different theories about the event of this year. However, as an AFI fan, i believe it is more likely that the reference to December 21st in the song title Prelude 12/21 is in reference to the winter solstice, in correlation to the whole "wintery" theme of the Decemberunderground album. Also, whoever wrote the article actually misspelled "referring". I changed it.
20:49, 20 May 2007 (EST) ---Geo (i dont remember my login, so i corrected as a guest)
Should there be a mention of the alternate furute episode of Heroes on this page? Or on the 2011 page? 68.237.192.47 03:37, 28 June 2007 (UTC)
It'd be a lot more fucking noteworthy than the asston of text on the end of the world, or whatever —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.254.70.119 ( talk) 10:03, 10 September 2007 (UTC)
Hello again, all! I'd said about 6 months ago that I hoped this page would remain as healthy as it was half a year ago... while it has improved in certain aspects, some others have forced me to do this cleanup once more.
Again: I've already stated the conditions I use to keep this particular article healthy and kook-free. If you want to argue my contributions, then please read my previous cleanup posts here and then we'll talk.
Since I'm certainly not the only one who has noticed the metaphysical fascination of this year, I believe this article needs a little extra effort to keep it within encyclopedic standards, and not chock-full of eccentric and outrageous claims about the future instead. If this year is indeed important in the future, then it's important as well to keep our heads grounded and try our best to separate the wheat from the chaff in order to understand better what's truly in store for us 5 years from now.
So it continues. Kreachure 00:15, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
All of this nonsense, of course, has nothing to do with McKenna's theory, and neither does the webpage which elaborates on the aformentioned nonsense.Terence McKenna's mathematical novelty theory suggests a point of singularity in which a great number of things could happen, including "hyperspatial breakthrough", planetesimal impact, alien contact, historical metamorphosis, metamorphosis of natural law, solar explosion, quasar ignition at the galactic core, or nothing. [5]
While the new age movement does indeed speak of spiritual transformations 'when the time comes' (hence the name), if there are no sources indicating who exactly are those "many" or on what exactly are these "many" basing their beliefs, then I must dismiss this as yet another wishful attachment to the increasing coolness of 2012.Many new age spiritualists and philosophers ("new-agers") believe humankind will enter an age of enlightenment in 2012. There are a range of varying, generally positive, beliefs shared by a subset of spiritualists from the mundane to exceptional — including a positive social shift and age of peace, mankind becoming psychic and connected by a collective, and/or an evolution of the human race into non-corporeal beings made of "spiritual" energy, or light energy, i.e. 'ascension'.
Listen, I'm sure there are many "alien enthusiasts" who think things like these, but that doesn't mean that we're gonna start putting generalized beliefs about aliens just because everyone thinks similarly about this subject without any factual justification about these beliefs. If there are no tangible sources about "extraterrestrial activity converging in the year 2012" stated (and trust me, there are thousands of pages relating to this subject in many books in your local new age store), then this simply cannot be accepted as encyclopedic!Some alien-enthusiasts (e.g. Riley Martin), along with some new-agers, believe 2012 to correspond approximately with the return of alien "watchers" or "caretakers" who might have helped the first human civilizations with developing their technology and may have been waiting for us to reach a higher level of technological and/or social advancement. Beliefs range from the extra-terrestrials having benevolent purposes — such as to help human society evolve — to malevolent purposes — such as enslavement of mankind and/or manipulation. citation needed
Oh, an interesting website, you say! How convenient! Specially since all this gibberish originates from this page exclusively! Also, I didn't know the term "Hindu following" is now used to refer to a single person with a lonely webpage! Shameless plug: instantly deleted.There is a Hindu following indicating the appearance of an Avatar (God in human form) with God-like powers who will herald a new age. An interesting website to this effect appears at End of the World 2012.
As always, opinions and help are appreciated. Let's all keep working hard on Wikipedia! Kreachure 00:15, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
I heard about the 2012 date, did some research and though I am far from being an expert in anything much less this I think I found something that invalidates the 12/21/2012 date.
The calculation that lead to the end date were based on the Mayan month calendar with 18 months of 20 days each for a total of 360 days. The end of the current age is supposed to happen 5,200 years after August 11, 3114 B.C. They multiplied 5,200 by 360 to arrive at a total number of days for the age, then using that number calculated the end date to be December 21, 2012.
However the Mayans also had a solar calendar that has the same month structure as the month calendar but includes an additional 5 days to correct the solar year error. This gives a total of 365 days in the year and not just 360. That discrepancy alone makes the original calculation in error by over 25,000 days.
We calculate the year at 365.25 days and I don't believe the Mayans would have known about the necessity of the quarter day per year to keep the calendars accurate. If we make the calculations using the 365.25 day year versus the 360 day year, the end date for the current age becomes September 19, 2087. To further bolster my position on this, the Mayans talked about the number of years from start to finish of the current age not the number of days. If we apply just that then 5,200 years from the start year of 3114 B.C. gives us an end year of 2086.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Msackett ( talk • contribs) 15 August 2007.
I am removing the following: "* The Prophecy of the Popes, attributed to Saint Malachy, speculated that Pope Benedict XVI would reign during the beginning of the tribulation of which Jesus spoke, and sometime later a future pope described in the prophecy as "Peter the Roman", the last in this prophetic list, would appear, bringing as a result the destruction of the city of Rome and the Last Judgment," because there is NO indication in said Prophecy of the Popes that gives any indication of dates, as far as I can see, not to mention the spurious nature of the "Peter the Roman" reference. Zerobot 05:30, 11 September 2007 (UTC)
The term Metaphysical is inappropriate here. The predictions were created using empirical methods, such as astrology, and they are about a very physical occurrence, the end of the world. So no definition of metaphysical fits these predictions. I would recommend the title be changed to "Superstitious Predictions" or "Escatological Predictions". -J 20:54, 20 September 2008 —Preceding
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Has anyone done or heard of calculations done on the Eros orbit around the sun and where it will cross Earth's orbit on the way back? What if our encounter with Eros slows or alters its path around the sun? Could this be the cause of the proposed impact on the 21st of December? Any articles related to this? ( Never74 22:12, 20 September 2007 (UTC)never74)
You know about how the solar wind generates aurora borealis and aurora australis.
The wind of charged particles from the galactic core converging with this solar system in 2012 is similar to the solar wind, it just originates from the galactic core, not from the sun. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.109.238.94 ( talk) 20:30, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
The galactic wind of charged particles is an electrodynamic hurricane revolving around the galactic core. The sun is always absorbing energy from this galactic wind, but in 2012 the wind is going to reach a peak of intensity.-- 83.108.99.161 14:44, 28 October 2007 (UTC)
Are you sure that the sun gets all its energy from thermonuclear fusion? Maybe some of the sun's energy is obtained from a galactic birkeland current? If so, then perhaps the long count of the Maya calendar records cyclical changes in the sun's energy output.-- Zanthius ( talk) 15:06, 24 February 2008 (UTC)
Have you read about the electric sun hypothesis? http://www.electric-cosmos.org/sun.htm If the sun indeed is increasing its energy output, then perhaps global warming is not just happening because of the greenhouse effect.-- Zanthius ( talk) 14:16, 17 March 2008 (UTC)
I noticed that the 100th anniversary of the Titanic sinking is not included in the events for 2012 list. I went to add it, only to discover a comment saying not to add it as it was not a notable anniversary. This makes no sense to me. How can the 100th anniversary of the most widely known maritime disaster not qualify as notable? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.18.30.114 ( talk) 00:31, 25 December 2007 (UTC)
Why isn't there a "March" in the month list? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.20.54.228 ( talk) 11:29, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
End of incandescent bulbs in the USA < seems worthy of noting that incandescent bulb will be effectively illegal for sale —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.24.119.52 ( talk)
By effectively it is meant that they will not longer meet the efficiency standards for legal sale: http://www.nytimes.com/2007/12/22/business/22light.html?_r=4&ex=1356152400&en=a3bd3c90eb102844&ei=5088&partner=rssnyt&emc=rss&oref=slogin&oref=slogin&oref=slogin&oref=slogin —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.60.41.233 ( talk) 01:44, 29 March 2008 (UTC)
Sorry here is a better link: http://www.usatoday.com/money/industries/energy/environment/2007-12-16-light-bulbs_N.htm —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.60.41.233 ( talk) 01:48, 29 March 2008 (UTC)
Hello again, peoples! I'm glad to see the article in good shape again. I just had to remove a few annoyances I had already removed before, is all. Is it that the Wikipedia community is getting smarter by the day, now taking proper care of this article? Or is there just the semi-protection to blame? (Could be both, right?) I just hope no more serious protection is needed to keep the article humbug-free and clean like a breeze!
The time for truth draws near! Isn't that fun?
See you beyond!
Kreachure ( talk) 01:37, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
Hopefully it won't be deleted, (it probably will be edited, and if so, fine by me) but it is an important milestone for American sporting venues. -- Qazox ( talk) 06:35, 24 February 2008 (UTC)
I think the intro section warrants a mention of all of the end-time/metaphysical phrophecies associated with 2012. Any thoughts? Sethie ( talk) 18:43, 1 March 2008 (UTC)
No, the intro does not need something of that sort. A brief summary farther down in the article should be okay, but we don't want any Undue weight nor fringe theories in the article, especially in the intro for a year article. Thanks. ~ A H 1( T C U) 20:50, 2 June 2008 (UTC)
It is now scheduled for 2013 see http://www.dbcde.gov.au/media_broadcasting/television/digital_switchover_information_for_consumers 58.175.36.8 ( talk) 22:31, 5 April 2008 (UTC)Andy 58.175.36.8 ( talk) 22:31, 5 April 2008 (UTC)
I just joined so I don't want to do any actual editing myself, but I followed Tolkien Notion Club link and that page says that the papers were discovered in 2002. I've never read that story so I have no idea which Wiki page is correct. Dgpg ( talk) 18:36, 9 April 2008 (UTC)dgpg
2012 in the "Arvisura" (legend collection of the sumeer-scytha-hungarian ancient chronicles, "Arvisura" is cca "Truthful Speech") is 6053. "medvetoros év" ("year of bear's thorax"). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.21.20.30 ( talk) 18:42, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
I found a good information site on this and other 2012 stuff at http://2012theendoftheworld.org Mikeleigh27 ( talk) 19:56, 16 May 2009 (UTC)
Many of the 'Year Pages' on Wikipedia have an introduction, describing the main events, and also stating whether it is a common year and the day of the week the year begins. Therefore, please do NOT delete the factual information regarding the United Kingdom. Also, terms such as HRH and Her Majesty have been used in accordance with British Tradition with refering to the Monarch. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Hrvyvrmnt6789 ( talk • contribs) 17:22, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
I can't seem to figure out how to edit the page. Eastern Orthodox Christians use the Julian rather than the Gregorian calendar to calculate the date of Easter (Pascha) and it differs in 2012, being on April 15 rather than April 12. The Eastern Orthodox Church is the second largest of all Christian churches and so this date should be added if we are also to include the date of the Western Easter. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ilion301 ( talk • contribs) 16:20, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
7 reasons the world will end in 2012, basically what they have is seven proven facts that the world might end in 2012, should these facts be noted in the article? Androo123 ( talk) 19:28, 27 May 2008 (UTC)
No. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Net neutrality ( talk • contribs) 19:46, 2 June 2008 (UTC)
If you search at amazon.com for books about 2012, you will find A LOT of books predicting an apocalypse in 2012, and VERY FEW of them are mentioned in the "metaphysical predictions" section. http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_ss_gw?url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=2012 -- Zanthius ( talk) 17:40, 8 June 2008 (UTC)
Not that I don't believe you, but it says that it might be a possibility in the wikipedia article: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Large_Hadron_Collider#Micro_black_holes -- Zanthius ( talk) 22:23, 8 June 2008 (UTC)
Of course the Large Hadron Collider isn't what is going to cause the apocalypse. Computers connected on the Internet like neurons in a brain. The awakening of the global brain, that is what the new world of the Maya calendar is all about. -- Zanthius ( talk) 00:27, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
Why do all the section edit links say "bewerken" instead of "edit"? — DeFender1031 08:03, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
www.infowarscom/?p=2640 unreliable fringe source? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.182.132.199 ( talk) 00:08, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
You don't have to be a super genius in order to understand that huge companies wants to make more money, and that they can gain more money in a controlled internet where their websites are cooperating to get all the visitors while shutting out the rest.
Not that I believe that stupidity and egoism will be victorious in 2012. I think there are stronger forces generating enlightenment.-- Zanthius ( talk) 02:35, 16 June 2008 (UTC)
I found a website you might want to take a look at on this subject. http://ipower.ning.com/netneutrality2 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.47.87.230 ( talk) 13:29, 4 July 2008 (UTC)
End of Internet in 2012? That...is...absolutely...NONSENSE! So are those darn sayings about the end of Earth! Neither Internet's end nor Earth's end will happen! Don-Don ( talk) 00:10, 9 July 2008 (UTC)
I restored the original text at the December 21 entry here (description of correlation of this date to the Mesoam/Maya Long Count calendar), which had recently been much abbreviated. Given the ever-increasing tide of apocalyptic, New Age and pop-culture mythology and flim-flammery building up around this correlation, I think it's relevant and useful to describe as precisely as possible the actual—as opposed to the invented—significance of the date in the Long Count calendar system. The LC is after all the ultimate inspiration for all of this breathless, popular yet misguided speculation. Also, since it relies upon a particular correlation (out of many that have been proffered in the past), we need to specify what that correlation is. Likewise, the particular Western calendar system being used needs to be noted, since you get quite a different outcome if the correlation is based on, say, the Julian calendar. -- cjllw ʘ TALK 03:13, 21 July 2008 (UTC)
I suggest adding a note to this text:
# Patrik Geryl predicts a pole reversal. This has happened many times in the past. Geryl is predicting that the North Pole and South Pole will reverse and cause the Earth to start rotating in the opposite direction. He does not explain from where the required energy will come. The Earth functions as a gigantic gyroscope. The energy required to rotate the poles would be immense.[14]
There is no scientific indication that physical rotation of Earth would be affected by a pole reversal. The earth would continue to rotate in the same direction, and would only "appear" to rotate in the opposite direction relative to the compass. The sun would still rise in the direction you are accustomed to, but we might start calling that direction "West" instead of "East". (or more likely just adjust our compasses) Gwiffon ( talk) 19:24, 30 July 2008 (UTC) Poles do not allways reverse most of the time they just correct to north and south creating cycler ice age of every 26000 years. Planetary flip depends on polarity of black mass at center of galaxy if it matchs the planets does not flip it just gets cold unit the moon creates a wobble in the axis which give us warming and or four seasons. The mysterious energy your looking for is magnetics, caused by large masses of hot spiining iron at the cores.
Under Metaphysical predictions, "Several author have published" -- Bhaelochon ( talk) 14:38, 12 September 2008 (UTC)
I found a great source of claims that deny the end of the world, transformation in 2012: Explained - Why It Shouldn't Be Feared, but since this is a blog, it isn't a great encyclopedic source. Similar to the page "7 reasons why the world will have to end in 2012" or whatever it was called. The only thing we would have to worry about in this blog's and my opinion would be a possible pole reversal. CMac11814 ( talk) 19:24, 12 September 2008 (UTC)
EDIT: Somehow it says "NOT FOUND" —Preceding unsigned comment added by CMac11814 ( talk • contribs) 19:25, 12 September 2008 (UTC)
Charles Manson Denied Parole 11 Times
Tuesday May 29, 2007
For the 11th time since 1978 when he first became eligible, cult leader Charles Manson was denied parole by the California Board of Paroles. The board voted to deny Manson parole for five more years, making the convicted killer next eligible for release in 2012. Manson, now 72 years old, did not bother to attend the parole hearing. He has said in the past that he considers himself a "prisoner of the political system" who will never be released.
"He refused to cooperate, so the conclusion they drew from the reports is he still remains a danger to the public," said Patrick Sequeira, Los Angeles County deputy district attorney. "He was convicted of nine horrible murders. He has expressed no remorse or empathy for any of the victims."
Manson was originally given the death sentence, which was changed in 1977 to life in prison with the possibility of parole, after a 1972 ruling by the California Supreme Court that found the state's death penalty unconstitutional.
Manson was convicted for the August 1969 Tate-LaBianca murders in the Los Angeles area. Although Manson himself did not take part in the murders, he ordered his followers to carry them out to incite a race war that he believed was prophesied in the Beatles song "Helter Skelter."
Manson was also convicted of the murder of musician Gary Hinman and former stuntman Donald "Shorty" Shea at the Spahn movie ranch in Chatsworth, where the Manson Family lived. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Rohare4271 ( talk • contribs) 14:02, 15 September 2008 (UTC)
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2012 is claimed by some with New age beliefs to be a great year of spiritual transformation (or alternatively an apocalypse). There is disagreement among believers as to whether 2012 will see an end of civilization, or humanity will be elevated to a higher level. [1]
[changed 'diagreement' to 'disagreement'] —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dredgman ( talk • contribs) 15:14, September 17, 2008
shouldn't this be added ? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.4.217.14 ( talk) 03:56, 9 October 2008 (UTC)
The page list that on "April 1 - The United States Census of 1940 data is released to the public." Am I incorrect in thinking we already have this information? It seems to be listed Here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Census,_1940
Am I missing something? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Psycospyder ( talk • contribs) 22:18, 20 November 2008 (UTC)
I have no problems with it being listed here, but what exactly is being released that day? The link I posted above seems to be the information to be released. Hasn't this already happened? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Psycospyder ( talk • contribs) 01:49, 22 November 2008 (UTC)
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New Film Seeking Closure is about 2012 and can be found on Imdb
( Beerguts ( talk) 02:42, 8 December 2008 (UTC))
30th Feb 2012 - Maha Shivaratri 15th March 2012 - Holi 6th May 2012 - Buddha Jayanti 9th Aug 2012 - Krishna Janmashtami 19th Sept 2012 - Ganesh Chathuri 5th Oct 2012 - Navratri (starts) 16th Oct 2012 - Navaratri (ends) 28th Oct - Diwali —Preceding unsigned comment added by Wiki-singularity ( talk • contribs) 19:45, 23 November 2008 (UTC)
Also please note that dates for Winter and Summer solstice are not the same in the Southern Hemisphere. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 192.102.239.195 ( talk) 00:27, 11 December 2008 (UTC)
isn't the 2012 olympics in london on? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dcradick0 ( talk • contribs) 11 December 2008
Why dont they just say every posible,horible,unimaginable,hideous thing that could ever happen happens in 2012 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.217.124.3 ( talk) 19:53, 14 December 2008 (UTC)
Let's think this idiot who predicted it was a totally desperate. The Mayans didn't die out they left. Mayans left because they built their homes near the ocean and a drought hit. They had no fresh water source. Some priests even told people the religion was bogus. So hearing this people began to leave so they could get water and also avoid that stupid religion. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.163.4.103 ( talk) 22:47, 23 March 2009 (UTC)
metal band jakota rose have a song called twenty12
with lyrics "ill see you all in 2012, come one come all this world will fall" and "so grab your mates and hold them tight there will be fire in the sky tonight" —Preceding unsigned comment added by Gapwing ( talk • contribs) 04:34, 25 January 2009 (UTC)
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A WEB section under FICTION would be instructive:
There is a new crop of humorous sites that are using parody as a way to discuss the event. Worth noting : http://www.geddongear.com Tweak2020 ( talk) 20:42, 1 February 2009 (UTC)
Just letting people know that this new article exists. dougweller ( talk) 21:55, 20 February 2009 (UTC)
Can we come up with a more neutral term than "Christianity" for holidays such as Christmas and Easter... as the list correctly notes, the Orthodox Churchs celebrate these holidays on other days of the year... and Orthodox Christians are no less a part of Christianity than the Roman Catholic or various Protestant denominations. Perhaps "Majority of Christian denominations"? Blueboar ( talk) 03:10, 4 March 2009 (UTC)
The movie "The Postman" with Kevin Costner is based in 2012. The world is unorganized and there has been plague in certain places. Morale is low, so is life in general. Everything seems to have gone the opposite direction in advancements. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Rokmongo ( talk • contribs) 00:44, 10 March 2009 (UTC)
Arthur Rubin, why did you revert my edit? ROC was established on 1-1-1912 RayYung ( talk) 02:59, 12 March 2009 (UTC)
Should it be noted in gaming that Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare took place in the year 2012? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.238.154.144 ( talk) 20:09, 13 March 2009 (UTC)
Whoops my bad, 2011 :P —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.238.154.144 ( talk) 20:47, 13 March 2009 (UTC)
Can anyone reduce the drivel in "Geophysical and cosmological" to a paragraph? •Jim62sch• dissera! 18:15, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
The split of the fiction section between 2012 and 2012 Doomsday prediction is a matter of significant dispute. Even if we were not to include pseudo-factual material, there may be dispute as to whether a specific item of literature, even if it reflects a disaster, is really an example of the 2012 Doomsday prediction genre. I think they should be merged, possibly into a new article, but the split will reflect WP:OR in some instances. — Arthur Rubin (talk) 16:41, 9 April 2009 (UTC)
Who in the world put that tag on? Anyway, the answer is no. Final answer.the world isnt going to end in 2012 all scientists have said no so please dont worry this tag is off megan henderson . •Jim62sch• dissera! 16:12, 12 April 2009 (UTC)
Oh, my good man, I can say no whenever I wish. No, really, I can. I didn't read the tag that way -- I must look again. •Jim62sch• dissera! 18:34, 12 April 2009 (UTC)
Agree this page is receiving 286K hits per month. Compare this with 2011, 13.6k and 2013 15.4K. The reason for this interest is the amount of chatter going on about the so called changes / doomsday rightly or wrongly predicted for the year. The article needs to reflect this in some way rather than divert it all to other pages. Lumos3 ( talk) 11:18, 16 April 2009 (UTC)
Is this page protected because of the end of the world rumors? Daniel Christensen ( talk) 16:25, 7 May 2009 (UTC)
Someone messed up the entire 2012 page, by deleting all the content and replacing it with the same message about the world ending. It needs to be reverted back to the original. I don't know how to do that, can anyone else do it? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 63.138.253.66 ( talk) 18:46, 13 May 2009 (UTC) Coolmanwc4 ( talk) 18:48, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
Following comment is posted on my talk page:
I deleted " Diamond Jubilee of Queen Elizabeth II" on 2012 several times because of the following reasons.
I do agree to make it posted after she become the second longest-reigning Queen, surpassing the reigning period of King George III. -- Belle Equipe ( talk) 19:14, 17 May 2009 (UTC)
Is the 21st the date A) on which the current baktun actually ends, B) on which the next baktun (the current one having ended on, say, 11:59:59 pm of the 20th) begins, or C) on which a non-midnight transition occurs between the two baktuns? The Mesoamerican Long Count calendar article seems to indicate that it is the Long Count date immediately prior to Creation that technically repeats, although nobody really talks about the 20th. Cosmic Latte ( talk) 02:54, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
I believe it would be wise to adjust the opening paragraph to add the line, "There is currently no scientific evidence that any apocalyptic events will occur in 2012". The current statement leaves it open to doubt, and being as this page is one of the top results in a Google search for 2012 I think it would be irresponsible to allow the opportunity to educate some of our less-knowledgeable and less-patient readers to go unutilized. - 74.76.55.235 ( talk) 23:53, 12 December 2009 (UTC)
"March 22 – Unless the European Council votes to extend current copyright law, The Beatles' debut album, Please Please Me, will fall out of copyright." Are we sure of this? My understanding is that at present copyright is good for the life of the composer or, in the case of a group, the last surviving composer plus 75 years. How could Please Please Me fall into Public Domain? Was the copyright sold to someone and thus we have a different time limit? Gingermint ( talk) 01:19, 7 November 2009 (UTC)
See Uk copyright law#Sound recordings. However, the portion you have cited is still false as a) it only applies to the UK and b) the Beatles' album Please Please Me was not released until March 1963. We have an off-by-one error here. The BBC article used as reference refers to the Beatles' first single, Love me do which was released in late 1962. -- Kulmala ( talk) 21:09, 14 November 2009 (UTC) silly is what it is —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.117.198.82 ( talk) 00:33, 27 January 2010 (UTC)
The most advanced models presented at the 2007 meeting of the American Geophysical Union anticipated an ice-free Arctic in the summer as early as 2013 or even 2012 ??? = where will all of the melted ice go to ? = flooding ?? = new seaways open allowing access to North pole for countries to explore and to rape for minerals could cause a war ? Two large dams to be removed in 2012 in Upper USA = ? severe flooding ??
Unusual prediction from ytmnd user GaryGnu in site titled ripfidelcastro that Fidel Castro will die in 2012. (can't put the link in due to ytmnd's blacklist status.) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Moroderzone ( talk • contribs) 20:37, 17 October 2009 (UTC)
LOL pseudoscience. I see all this troofing has led to enough vandalism to cause the 2012 article to be semi-protected. First of all: there is no Planet X. Second of all, Earth Changes relies in part on obsolete geology, which has been surpassed by the more accurate plate tectonics theory. How would Atlantis or Mu rise "again" if they were never there to begin with, and is the Mid-Atlantic Ridge really eruptive enough to create an "Atlantis"? (Well, it built Iceland, but that was hot spot volcanism, and I don't know of any other hot spots under the Mid-Atlantic Ridge.) As for Mu, there is an oceanic ridge at the boundaries of the Nazca Plate and Pacific Plate, but it's not likely to produce land. No land means no real displacement of water; no real displacement of water means no sea level rises swamping existing land. Finally, the idea of a rapid pole shift is also bunk. The Earth has a lot of inertia; how is it supposed to tilt without something big hitting it or affecting it somehow? Since there's apparently no planet X or anything similar in size, we might as well conclude the Earth will stay on roughly the same axis it has in the past. Now that this troofy stuff has been disproven, let's get on with the events that may realistically happen in 2012, and not worry about the troofy stuff. 192.12.88.7 ( talk) 18:53, 23 March 2009 (UTC)
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Hello again, everyone! As usual, I'm here to take care of the craziness that often ensues around this particular year. Yes, I know you are all very concerned about what could or could not happen in this year. But even if you're just regular people looking forward to marvels in the future, or more 'peculiar' chaps with 'peculiar' predictions regarding this year, we can all agree this year will probably pop out more often than not the closer we get to it, due to its 'inflating coolness'. I sincerely hope this 'coolness' doesn't get out of hand. But if it does, that's what I'm here for!
My proposed conditions were already stated before, so if you disagree with anything I say and do here, please read them before you come at me.
So it continues!
While the Aztec and MAYAN calendars are similar in its influences and cultural connotations, the Long Count will end this year in the MAYAN CALENDAR, and (as far as I could find out) the Aztec calendar doesn't even have a Long Count, or anything similar that would indicate the end of a cycle in any year! If I'm wrong about this in any way (and I was wrong when I let this slip at the last cleanup, so sorry 'bout that!), then please, o experts of all things Aztec, correct and enlighten us with the exact mechanics of the Aztec calendar!*The long count will end in the Aztec calendar.
This actually talks about a recommendation to the US Congress about what that group claims should be done by 2012. Listen, I'm sure this proposal has its grounds and is probably important for those who would get covered by this and whatnot, but, come on, is it really so important to know the year this 'would' be happening? It's a recommendation, not something that has already passed and will surely be done! My point is that it's too early to know if this proposal will even pass to the US congress, and even earlier to know it will actually happen! I think I've said enough to make clear that, at least for now, this is not really worth mentioning here.By 2012, the USA government should guarantee full Health Insurance for all Americans, as urged by a non-partisan advisory panel created by Congress. [1]
I can't stress this enough, and I hope I have to say it just once:The calendars of ancient Mesoamerica (Maya and Aztec) come to an end in 2012, at the time of the Winter Solstice (December 21). This can be interpreted as either the absolute end of the world, the beginning of a new and better age, or the shift of human consciousness to a higher level or existence.
The nature of the Mayan calendar is better explained here. The mayans believed in life as a cycle, renewing every now and then for benefit of all. So saying their calendar ENDS anywhere is ignorance. I don't know how to put it more clearly without seriously questioning anyone's intelligence. Again, if you disagree with this, then you're probably an expert of some sort with reasons to believe otherwise, so feel free to rebuke.THE MAYAN CALENDAR DOESN'T "END" ON DECEMBER 21, 2012. On that date a Long Count finishes, and that is pretty significant, but it doesn't just "stop" then, after that a new Long Count begins!!
OMG. This would be a very, very crude joke, if it weren't that it's actually true [2] [3]. But... I don't really know what to say here. For me, as cruel as it might sound, this classifies as "Too much information" or "something I REALLY didn't need to know", but I still feel remorse of putting this out. I'm... sorry? Anyway, if ANYONE thinks this should stay here, I would understand, but I would also not comment anymore on this subject. Ever.2012 is the target date for everyone in India to have access to a toilet, putting an end to defecation in public.
Again, I'm sure this is important for present and future workers in the state of Iowa, United States, but... seriously. It's just a projection. For ONE of the FIFTY+ states of ONE of the 190+ countries in the world. Do you think it's probable that someone coming here, even just one, will actually care about this? Because I don't think so. Sorry all you Iowans... Iowanites...Iowies... oh whatever, who cares!!!!It is projected that by 2012 the state of Iowa could have as many as 200,000 more jobs than workers to fill them, which could lead to better wages and benefits. See USA Today, 03/20/2006.
I really thought this had some serious journalism behind it, but the "Tibetan Monks" comment above does make a strong point. Crazy India people and their wacky news.It is claimed that unnamed Tibetan monks specializing in remote viewing predict that divine extra-terrestrials will intervene at a point where the world's governments are about to deploy weapons of mass destruction. Adding to this, the Tibetan Monks say that the world is not ready to be destroyed and that our Earth is blessed and being saved continuously from all kinds of hazards of which mankind is not even aware. [4]
Yes, this is one of the thousand claims of something transcendental happening in 2012, but that's exactly the point of what I'm doing here! There's way too many of this in the Internet and elsewhere, and Wikipedia is definitely not the place to put it as well! PLEASE stop putting claims and links like this one, and you'll be making mine and all other contributors' jobs a lot easier! Thanks!The Reverend Dr. Sun Myung Moon from Korea, has proclaimed 2012 as the ending and final fulfilling stage of mankind's long seeking quest for an absolute Sinless World.[external link to one of the thousand pages with esoteric references to 2012].
This was already adressed with more clarity and support before in a Bible code comment, but this person decided to rant on about the subject, which resulted in this poorly constructed comment. You didn't even worry about putting a supporting link, or anything! Until someone decides to link properly to an explanatory page where this exact premise of the Bible code is explained, I will revert this to a comment with a link to the Bible code page, which has plenty of external links to find this out.A hidden code found within the Torah through the computation of equidistant letters sequences shows signs of a comet within this year producing one of two outcomes: Either hitting and destroying the Earth, or crumbling into pieces. The two codes are found very close to each other within the Torah, and through the use of mathematical shortcut matrices, can be pieced together accordingly. These two statements are, "Comet...5772 [2012 according to the Gregorian calendar]...Earth Annihilated" and "Comet...It Will Be Crumbled, I Will Tear It To Pieces...5772 [2012 according to the Gregorian calendar]."
I have no idea how this John Titor guy and his crazy forum posts got a pretty long article on Wikipedia. But as I said before, this isn't the place to argue about the credibility of theories like this. The fact remains that it's just a very brief mention of the year 2012 he makes, and it's not even about the apocalypse or anything similar, so it's not worth mentioning here, in my opinion. Anyone disagree?The supposed time traveller John Titor predicts some unusual events in 2012, but nothing like the end of the world : his comments are more about something like the Red Sea passage.
Whew! Now I'll get to the actual changes, and as always, any comment or suggestion is welcome. Keep working on Wikipedia, everyone! Thank you! Kreachure 21:14, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
I've rewritten the Dec 21 entry (period-ending in Maya Long Count calendar), removing the more egrarious New Age/Arguelles-inspired misconceptions and attempted to separate out and make clear the differences between scholarly and speculative (re-)interpretations. The John Major Jenkins theories (concerning solstices and equinoctal processions) I've omitted as non-standard / minority interpretation. If specific references are required would be happy to supply them, but they are also reflected/mentioned in the Maya calendar article itself.
I also took out the reference to the Aztec calendar, as there are in fact no observances of mesoamerican long count-style calendrics in the documentation of this postclassic culture. Also added in Dec 23 as the other correlated date for this event, still supported by some in the field.-- cjllw | TALK 02:54, 12 September 2006 (UTC)
Hi, again. In a few words, I'm speechless. As of today, the page is in excellent conditions, better than I last left it. I only had to take out a few things that aren't even worth mentioning. I wish the article remained this healthy! Kreachure 15:22, 26 December 2006 (UTC)
this is sopposed to be the end or the begining of a new era according to the mayan calendar. Its Dec 21 2012 and from another source and Group its april-22-2012
I just found the following paragraph on the Armageddon Online site:
It appears to be a word-for-word duplicate of the language used in the December 21 reference in this Wikipedia article. The Armageddon Online site has a copyright citation at the bottom of their page. However, I have no way of determining if the text originated on that site or on Wikipedia but, either way, there appears to be a copyright issue here. Joekoz451 04:35, 1 January 2007 (UTC)
This article includes the reference: "On December 23, 1986, Dr. Jason Malcolm discovered Canes Venatici at Lowell Observatory in Flagstaff, Arizona."
I'm not sure what this is supposed to say, but as it's written, it makes no sense - Canes Venatici is a constellation in the northern hemisphere, so designated in the 17th century by Hevelius. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Lsibley ( talk • contribs) 06:36, 18 February 2007 (UTC).
"Canes Venatici"? surely we're doomed!
I think this little section is a victim of hype. Alot of different sources have presented a plethora (sp?) of different theories about the event of this year. However, as an AFI fan, i believe it is more likely that the reference to December 21st in the song title Prelude 12/21 is in reference to the winter solstice, in correlation to the whole "wintery" theme of the Decemberunderground album. Also, whoever wrote the article actually misspelled "referring". I changed it.
20:49, 20 May 2007 (EST) ---Geo (i dont remember my login, so i corrected as a guest)
Should there be a mention of the alternate furute episode of Heroes on this page? Or on the 2011 page? 68.237.192.47 03:37, 28 June 2007 (UTC)
It'd be a lot more fucking noteworthy than the asston of text on the end of the world, or whatever —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.254.70.119 ( talk) 10:03, 10 September 2007 (UTC)
Hello again, all! I'd said about 6 months ago that I hoped this page would remain as healthy as it was half a year ago... while it has improved in certain aspects, some others have forced me to do this cleanup once more.
Again: I've already stated the conditions I use to keep this particular article healthy and kook-free. If you want to argue my contributions, then please read my previous cleanup posts here and then we'll talk.
Since I'm certainly not the only one who has noticed the metaphysical fascination of this year, I believe this article needs a little extra effort to keep it within encyclopedic standards, and not chock-full of eccentric and outrageous claims about the future instead. If this year is indeed important in the future, then it's important as well to keep our heads grounded and try our best to separate the wheat from the chaff in order to understand better what's truly in store for us 5 years from now.
So it continues. Kreachure 00:15, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
All of this nonsense, of course, has nothing to do with McKenna's theory, and neither does the webpage which elaborates on the aformentioned nonsense.Terence McKenna's mathematical novelty theory suggests a point of singularity in which a great number of things could happen, including "hyperspatial breakthrough", planetesimal impact, alien contact, historical metamorphosis, metamorphosis of natural law, solar explosion, quasar ignition at the galactic core, or nothing. [5]
While the new age movement does indeed speak of spiritual transformations 'when the time comes' (hence the name), if there are no sources indicating who exactly are those "many" or on what exactly are these "many" basing their beliefs, then I must dismiss this as yet another wishful attachment to the increasing coolness of 2012.Many new age spiritualists and philosophers ("new-agers") believe humankind will enter an age of enlightenment in 2012. There are a range of varying, generally positive, beliefs shared by a subset of spiritualists from the mundane to exceptional — including a positive social shift and age of peace, mankind becoming psychic and connected by a collective, and/or an evolution of the human race into non-corporeal beings made of "spiritual" energy, or light energy, i.e. 'ascension'.
Listen, I'm sure there are many "alien enthusiasts" who think things like these, but that doesn't mean that we're gonna start putting generalized beliefs about aliens just because everyone thinks similarly about this subject without any factual justification about these beliefs. If there are no tangible sources about "extraterrestrial activity converging in the year 2012" stated (and trust me, there are thousands of pages relating to this subject in many books in your local new age store), then this simply cannot be accepted as encyclopedic!Some alien-enthusiasts (e.g. Riley Martin), along with some new-agers, believe 2012 to correspond approximately with the return of alien "watchers" or "caretakers" who might have helped the first human civilizations with developing their technology and may have been waiting for us to reach a higher level of technological and/or social advancement. Beliefs range from the extra-terrestrials having benevolent purposes — such as to help human society evolve — to malevolent purposes — such as enslavement of mankind and/or manipulation. citation needed
Oh, an interesting website, you say! How convenient! Specially since all this gibberish originates from this page exclusively! Also, I didn't know the term "Hindu following" is now used to refer to a single person with a lonely webpage! Shameless plug: instantly deleted.There is a Hindu following indicating the appearance of an Avatar (God in human form) with God-like powers who will herald a new age. An interesting website to this effect appears at End of the World 2012.
As always, opinions and help are appreciated. Let's all keep working hard on Wikipedia! Kreachure 00:15, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
I heard about the 2012 date, did some research and though I am far from being an expert in anything much less this I think I found something that invalidates the 12/21/2012 date.
The calculation that lead to the end date were based on the Mayan month calendar with 18 months of 20 days each for a total of 360 days. The end of the current age is supposed to happen 5,200 years after August 11, 3114 B.C. They multiplied 5,200 by 360 to arrive at a total number of days for the age, then using that number calculated the end date to be December 21, 2012.
However the Mayans also had a solar calendar that has the same month structure as the month calendar but includes an additional 5 days to correct the solar year error. This gives a total of 365 days in the year and not just 360. That discrepancy alone makes the original calculation in error by over 25,000 days.
We calculate the year at 365.25 days and I don't believe the Mayans would have known about the necessity of the quarter day per year to keep the calendars accurate. If we make the calculations using the 365.25 day year versus the 360 day year, the end date for the current age becomes September 19, 2087. To further bolster my position on this, the Mayans talked about the number of years from start to finish of the current age not the number of days. If we apply just that then 5,200 years from the start year of 3114 B.C. gives us an end year of 2086.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Msackett ( talk • contribs) 15 August 2007.
I am removing the following: "* The Prophecy of the Popes, attributed to Saint Malachy, speculated that Pope Benedict XVI would reign during the beginning of the tribulation of which Jesus spoke, and sometime later a future pope described in the prophecy as "Peter the Roman", the last in this prophetic list, would appear, bringing as a result the destruction of the city of Rome and the Last Judgment," because there is NO indication in said Prophecy of the Popes that gives any indication of dates, as far as I can see, not to mention the spurious nature of the "Peter the Roman" reference. Zerobot 05:30, 11 September 2007 (UTC)
The term Metaphysical is inappropriate here. The predictions were created using empirical methods, such as astrology, and they are about a very physical occurrence, the end of the world. So no definition of metaphysical fits these predictions. I would recommend the title be changed to "Superstitious Predictions" or "Escatological Predictions". -J 20:54, 20 September 2008 —Preceding
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Has anyone done or heard of calculations done on the Eros orbit around the sun and where it will cross Earth's orbit on the way back? What if our encounter with Eros slows or alters its path around the sun? Could this be the cause of the proposed impact on the 21st of December? Any articles related to this? ( Never74 22:12, 20 September 2007 (UTC)never74)
You know about how the solar wind generates aurora borealis and aurora australis.
The wind of charged particles from the galactic core converging with this solar system in 2012 is similar to the solar wind, it just originates from the galactic core, not from the sun. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.109.238.94 ( talk) 20:30, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
The galactic wind of charged particles is an electrodynamic hurricane revolving around the galactic core. The sun is always absorbing energy from this galactic wind, but in 2012 the wind is going to reach a peak of intensity.-- 83.108.99.161 14:44, 28 October 2007 (UTC)
Are you sure that the sun gets all its energy from thermonuclear fusion? Maybe some of the sun's energy is obtained from a galactic birkeland current? If so, then perhaps the long count of the Maya calendar records cyclical changes in the sun's energy output.-- Zanthius ( talk) 15:06, 24 February 2008 (UTC)
Have you read about the electric sun hypothesis? http://www.electric-cosmos.org/sun.htm If the sun indeed is increasing its energy output, then perhaps global warming is not just happening because of the greenhouse effect.-- Zanthius ( talk) 14:16, 17 March 2008 (UTC)
I noticed that the 100th anniversary of the Titanic sinking is not included in the events for 2012 list. I went to add it, only to discover a comment saying not to add it as it was not a notable anniversary. This makes no sense to me. How can the 100th anniversary of the most widely known maritime disaster not qualify as notable? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.18.30.114 ( talk) 00:31, 25 December 2007 (UTC)
Why isn't there a "March" in the month list? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.20.54.228 ( talk) 11:29, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
End of incandescent bulbs in the USA < seems worthy of noting that incandescent bulb will be effectively illegal for sale —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.24.119.52 ( talk)
By effectively it is meant that they will not longer meet the efficiency standards for legal sale: http://www.nytimes.com/2007/12/22/business/22light.html?_r=4&ex=1356152400&en=a3bd3c90eb102844&ei=5088&partner=rssnyt&emc=rss&oref=slogin&oref=slogin&oref=slogin&oref=slogin —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.60.41.233 ( talk) 01:44, 29 March 2008 (UTC)
Sorry here is a better link: http://www.usatoday.com/money/industries/energy/environment/2007-12-16-light-bulbs_N.htm —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.60.41.233 ( talk) 01:48, 29 March 2008 (UTC)
Hello again, peoples! I'm glad to see the article in good shape again. I just had to remove a few annoyances I had already removed before, is all. Is it that the Wikipedia community is getting smarter by the day, now taking proper care of this article? Or is there just the semi-protection to blame? (Could be both, right?) I just hope no more serious protection is needed to keep the article humbug-free and clean like a breeze!
The time for truth draws near! Isn't that fun?
See you beyond!
Kreachure ( talk) 01:37, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
Hopefully it won't be deleted, (it probably will be edited, and if so, fine by me) but it is an important milestone for American sporting venues. -- Qazox ( talk) 06:35, 24 February 2008 (UTC)
I think the intro section warrants a mention of all of the end-time/metaphysical phrophecies associated with 2012. Any thoughts? Sethie ( talk) 18:43, 1 March 2008 (UTC)
No, the intro does not need something of that sort. A brief summary farther down in the article should be okay, but we don't want any Undue weight nor fringe theories in the article, especially in the intro for a year article. Thanks. ~ A H 1( T C U) 20:50, 2 June 2008 (UTC)
It is now scheduled for 2013 see http://www.dbcde.gov.au/media_broadcasting/television/digital_switchover_information_for_consumers 58.175.36.8 ( talk) 22:31, 5 April 2008 (UTC)Andy 58.175.36.8 ( talk) 22:31, 5 April 2008 (UTC)
I just joined so I don't want to do any actual editing myself, but I followed Tolkien Notion Club link and that page says that the papers were discovered in 2002. I've never read that story so I have no idea which Wiki page is correct. Dgpg ( talk) 18:36, 9 April 2008 (UTC)dgpg
2012 in the "Arvisura" (legend collection of the sumeer-scytha-hungarian ancient chronicles, "Arvisura" is cca "Truthful Speech") is 6053. "medvetoros év" ("year of bear's thorax"). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.21.20.30 ( talk) 18:42, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
I found a good information site on this and other 2012 stuff at http://2012theendoftheworld.org Mikeleigh27 ( talk) 19:56, 16 May 2009 (UTC)
Many of the 'Year Pages' on Wikipedia have an introduction, describing the main events, and also stating whether it is a common year and the day of the week the year begins. Therefore, please do NOT delete the factual information regarding the United Kingdom. Also, terms such as HRH and Her Majesty have been used in accordance with British Tradition with refering to the Monarch. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Hrvyvrmnt6789 ( talk • contribs) 17:22, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
I can't seem to figure out how to edit the page. Eastern Orthodox Christians use the Julian rather than the Gregorian calendar to calculate the date of Easter (Pascha) and it differs in 2012, being on April 15 rather than April 12. The Eastern Orthodox Church is the second largest of all Christian churches and so this date should be added if we are also to include the date of the Western Easter. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ilion301 ( talk • contribs) 16:20, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
7 reasons the world will end in 2012, basically what they have is seven proven facts that the world might end in 2012, should these facts be noted in the article? Androo123 ( talk) 19:28, 27 May 2008 (UTC)
No. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Net neutrality ( talk • contribs) 19:46, 2 June 2008 (UTC)
If you search at amazon.com for books about 2012, you will find A LOT of books predicting an apocalypse in 2012, and VERY FEW of them are mentioned in the "metaphysical predictions" section. http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_ss_gw?url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=2012 -- Zanthius ( talk) 17:40, 8 June 2008 (UTC)
Not that I don't believe you, but it says that it might be a possibility in the wikipedia article: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Large_Hadron_Collider#Micro_black_holes -- Zanthius ( talk) 22:23, 8 June 2008 (UTC)
Of course the Large Hadron Collider isn't what is going to cause the apocalypse. Computers connected on the Internet like neurons in a brain. The awakening of the global brain, that is what the new world of the Maya calendar is all about. -- Zanthius ( talk) 00:27, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
Why do all the section edit links say "bewerken" instead of "edit"? — DeFender1031 08:03, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
www.infowarscom/?p=2640 unreliable fringe source? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.182.132.199 ( talk) 00:08, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
You don't have to be a super genius in order to understand that huge companies wants to make more money, and that they can gain more money in a controlled internet where their websites are cooperating to get all the visitors while shutting out the rest.
Not that I believe that stupidity and egoism will be victorious in 2012. I think there are stronger forces generating enlightenment.-- Zanthius ( talk) 02:35, 16 June 2008 (UTC)
I found a website you might want to take a look at on this subject. http://ipower.ning.com/netneutrality2 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.47.87.230 ( talk) 13:29, 4 July 2008 (UTC)
End of Internet in 2012? That...is...absolutely...NONSENSE! So are those darn sayings about the end of Earth! Neither Internet's end nor Earth's end will happen! Don-Don ( talk) 00:10, 9 July 2008 (UTC)
I restored the original text at the December 21 entry here (description of correlation of this date to the Mesoam/Maya Long Count calendar), which had recently been much abbreviated. Given the ever-increasing tide of apocalyptic, New Age and pop-culture mythology and flim-flammery building up around this correlation, I think it's relevant and useful to describe as precisely as possible the actual—as opposed to the invented—significance of the date in the Long Count calendar system. The LC is after all the ultimate inspiration for all of this breathless, popular yet misguided speculation. Also, since it relies upon a particular correlation (out of many that have been proffered in the past), we need to specify what that correlation is. Likewise, the particular Western calendar system being used needs to be noted, since you get quite a different outcome if the correlation is based on, say, the Julian calendar. -- cjllw ʘ TALK 03:13, 21 July 2008 (UTC)
I suggest adding a note to this text:
# Patrik Geryl predicts a pole reversal. This has happened many times in the past. Geryl is predicting that the North Pole and South Pole will reverse and cause the Earth to start rotating in the opposite direction. He does not explain from where the required energy will come. The Earth functions as a gigantic gyroscope. The energy required to rotate the poles would be immense.[14]
There is no scientific indication that physical rotation of Earth would be affected by a pole reversal. The earth would continue to rotate in the same direction, and would only "appear" to rotate in the opposite direction relative to the compass. The sun would still rise in the direction you are accustomed to, but we might start calling that direction "West" instead of "East". (or more likely just adjust our compasses) Gwiffon ( talk) 19:24, 30 July 2008 (UTC) Poles do not allways reverse most of the time they just correct to north and south creating cycler ice age of every 26000 years. Planetary flip depends on polarity of black mass at center of galaxy if it matchs the planets does not flip it just gets cold unit the moon creates a wobble in the axis which give us warming and or four seasons. The mysterious energy your looking for is magnetics, caused by large masses of hot spiining iron at the cores.
Under Metaphysical predictions, "Several author have published" -- Bhaelochon ( talk) 14:38, 12 September 2008 (UTC)
I found a great source of claims that deny the end of the world, transformation in 2012: Explained - Why It Shouldn't Be Feared, but since this is a blog, it isn't a great encyclopedic source. Similar to the page "7 reasons why the world will have to end in 2012" or whatever it was called. The only thing we would have to worry about in this blog's and my opinion would be a possible pole reversal. CMac11814 ( talk) 19:24, 12 September 2008 (UTC)
EDIT: Somehow it says "NOT FOUND" —Preceding unsigned comment added by CMac11814 ( talk • contribs) 19:25, 12 September 2008 (UTC)
Charles Manson Denied Parole 11 Times
Tuesday May 29, 2007
For the 11th time since 1978 when he first became eligible, cult leader Charles Manson was denied parole by the California Board of Paroles. The board voted to deny Manson parole for five more years, making the convicted killer next eligible for release in 2012. Manson, now 72 years old, did not bother to attend the parole hearing. He has said in the past that he considers himself a "prisoner of the political system" who will never be released.
"He refused to cooperate, so the conclusion they drew from the reports is he still remains a danger to the public," said Patrick Sequeira, Los Angeles County deputy district attorney. "He was convicted of nine horrible murders. He has expressed no remorse or empathy for any of the victims."
Manson was originally given the death sentence, which was changed in 1977 to life in prison with the possibility of parole, after a 1972 ruling by the California Supreme Court that found the state's death penalty unconstitutional.
Manson was convicted for the August 1969 Tate-LaBianca murders in the Los Angeles area. Although Manson himself did not take part in the murders, he ordered his followers to carry them out to incite a race war that he believed was prophesied in the Beatles song "Helter Skelter."
Manson was also convicted of the murder of musician Gary Hinman and former stuntman Donald "Shorty" Shea at the Spahn movie ranch in Chatsworth, where the Manson Family lived. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Rohare4271 ( talk • contribs) 14:02, 15 September 2008 (UTC)
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2012 is claimed by some with New age beliefs to be a great year of spiritual transformation (or alternatively an apocalypse). There is disagreement among believers as to whether 2012 will see an end of civilization, or humanity will be elevated to a higher level. [1]
[changed 'diagreement' to 'disagreement'] —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dredgman ( talk • contribs) 15:14, September 17, 2008
shouldn't this be added ? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.4.217.14 ( talk) 03:56, 9 October 2008 (UTC)
The page list that on "April 1 - The United States Census of 1940 data is released to the public." Am I incorrect in thinking we already have this information? It seems to be listed Here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Census,_1940
Am I missing something? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Psycospyder ( talk • contribs) 22:18, 20 November 2008 (UTC)
I have no problems with it being listed here, but what exactly is being released that day? The link I posted above seems to be the information to be released. Hasn't this already happened? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Psycospyder ( talk • contribs) 01:49, 22 November 2008 (UTC)
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New Film Seeking Closure is about 2012 and can be found on Imdb
( Beerguts ( talk) 02:42, 8 December 2008 (UTC))
30th Feb 2012 - Maha Shivaratri 15th March 2012 - Holi 6th May 2012 - Buddha Jayanti 9th Aug 2012 - Krishna Janmashtami 19th Sept 2012 - Ganesh Chathuri 5th Oct 2012 - Navratri (starts) 16th Oct 2012 - Navaratri (ends) 28th Oct - Diwali —Preceding unsigned comment added by Wiki-singularity ( talk • contribs) 19:45, 23 November 2008 (UTC)
Also please note that dates for Winter and Summer solstice are not the same in the Southern Hemisphere. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 192.102.239.195 ( talk) 00:27, 11 December 2008 (UTC)
isn't the 2012 olympics in london on? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dcradick0 ( talk • contribs) 11 December 2008
Why dont they just say every posible,horible,unimaginable,hideous thing that could ever happen happens in 2012 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.217.124.3 ( talk) 19:53, 14 December 2008 (UTC)
Let's think this idiot who predicted it was a totally desperate. The Mayans didn't die out they left. Mayans left because they built their homes near the ocean and a drought hit. They had no fresh water source. Some priests even told people the religion was bogus. So hearing this people began to leave so they could get water and also avoid that stupid religion. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.163.4.103 ( talk) 22:47, 23 March 2009 (UTC)
metal band jakota rose have a song called twenty12
with lyrics "ill see you all in 2012, come one come all this world will fall" and "so grab your mates and hold them tight there will be fire in the sky tonight" —Preceding unsigned comment added by Gapwing ( talk • contribs) 04:34, 25 January 2009 (UTC)
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A WEB section under FICTION would be instructive:
There is a new crop of humorous sites that are using parody as a way to discuss the event. Worth noting : http://www.geddongear.com Tweak2020 ( talk) 20:42, 1 February 2009 (UTC)
Just letting people know that this new article exists. dougweller ( talk) 21:55, 20 February 2009 (UTC)
Can we come up with a more neutral term than "Christianity" for holidays such as Christmas and Easter... as the list correctly notes, the Orthodox Churchs celebrate these holidays on other days of the year... and Orthodox Christians are no less a part of Christianity than the Roman Catholic or various Protestant denominations. Perhaps "Majority of Christian denominations"? Blueboar ( talk) 03:10, 4 March 2009 (UTC)
The movie "The Postman" with Kevin Costner is based in 2012. The world is unorganized and there has been plague in certain places. Morale is low, so is life in general. Everything seems to have gone the opposite direction in advancements. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Rokmongo ( talk • contribs) 00:44, 10 March 2009 (UTC)
Arthur Rubin, why did you revert my edit? ROC was established on 1-1-1912 RayYung ( talk) 02:59, 12 March 2009 (UTC)
Should it be noted in gaming that Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare took place in the year 2012? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.238.154.144 ( talk) 20:09, 13 March 2009 (UTC)
Whoops my bad, 2011 :P —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.238.154.144 ( talk) 20:47, 13 March 2009 (UTC)
Can anyone reduce the drivel in "Geophysical and cosmological" to a paragraph? •Jim62sch• dissera! 18:15, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
The split of the fiction section between 2012 and 2012 Doomsday prediction is a matter of significant dispute. Even if we were not to include pseudo-factual material, there may be dispute as to whether a specific item of literature, even if it reflects a disaster, is really an example of the 2012 Doomsday prediction genre. I think they should be merged, possibly into a new article, but the split will reflect WP:OR in some instances. — Arthur Rubin (talk) 16:41, 9 April 2009 (UTC)
Who in the world put that tag on? Anyway, the answer is no. Final answer.the world isnt going to end in 2012 all scientists have said no so please dont worry this tag is off megan henderson . •Jim62sch• dissera! 16:12, 12 April 2009 (UTC)
Oh, my good man, I can say no whenever I wish. No, really, I can. I didn't read the tag that way -- I must look again. •Jim62sch• dissera! 18:34, 12 April 2009 (UTC)
Agree this page is receiving 286K hits per month. Compare this with 2011, 13.6k and 2013 15.4K. The reason for this interest is the amount of chatter going on about the so called changes / doomsday rightly or wrongly predicted for the year. The article needs to reflect this in some way rather than divert it all to other pages. Lumos3 ( talk) 11:18, 16 April 2009 (UTC)
Is this page protected because of the end of the world rumors? Daniel Christensen ( talk) 16:25, 7 May 2009 (UTC)
Someone messed up the entire 2012 page, by deleting all the content and replacing it with the same message about the world ending. It needs to be reverted back to the original. I don't know how to do that, can anyone else do it? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 63.138.253.66 ( talk) 18:46, 13 May 2009 (UTC) Coolmanwc4 ( talk) 18:48, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
Following comment is posted on my talk page:
I deleted " Diamond Jubilee of Queen Elizabeth II" on 2012 several times because of the following reasons.
I do agree to make it posted after she become the second longest-reigning Queen, surpassing the reigning period of King George III. -- Belle Equipe ( talk) 19:14, 17 May 2009 (UTC)
Is the 21st the date A) on which the current baktun actually ends, B) on which the next baktun (the current one having ended on, say, 11:59:59 pm of the 20th) begins, or C) on which a non-midnight transition occurs between the two baktuns? The Mesoamerican Long Count calendar article seems to indicate that it is the Long Count date immediately prior to Creation that technically repeats, although nobody really talks about the 20th. Cosmic Latte ( talk) 02:54, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
I believe it would be wise to adjust the opening paragraph to add the line, "There is currently no scientific evidence that any apocalyptic events will occur in 2012". The current statement leaves it open to doubt, and being as this page is one of the top results in a Google search for 2012 I think it would be irresponsible to allow the opportunity to educate some of our less-knowledgeable and less-patient readers to go unutilized. - 74.76.55.235 ( talk) 23:53, 12 December 2009 (UTC)
"March 22 – Unless the European Council votes to extend current copyright law, The Beatles' debut album, Please Please Me, will fall out of copyright." Are we sure of this? My understanding is that at present copyright is good for the life of the composer or, in the case of a group, the last surviving composer plus 75 years. How could Please Please Me fall into Public Domain? Was the copyright sold to someone and thus we have a different time limit? Gingermint ( talk) 01:19, 7 November 2009 (UTC)
See Uk copyright law#Sound recordings. However, the portion you have cited is still false as a) it only applies to the UK and b) the Beatles' album Please Please Me was not released until March 1963. We have an off-by-one error here. The BBC article used as reference refers to the Beatles' first single, Love me do which was released in late 1962. -- Kulmala ( talk) 21:09, 14 November 2009 (UTC) silly is what it is —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.117.198.82 ( talk) 00:33, 27 January 2010 (UTC)
The most advanced models presented at the 2007 meeting of the American Geophysical Union anticipated an ice-free Arctic in the summer as early as 2013 or even 2012 ??? = where will all of the melted ice go to ? = flooding ?? = new seaways open allowing access to North pole for countries to explore and to rape for minerals could cause a war ? Two large dams to be removed in 2012 in Upper USA = ? severe flooding ??
Unusual prediction from ytmnd user GaryGnu in site titled ripfidelcastro that Fidel Castro will die in 2012. (can't put the link in due to ytmnd's blacklist status.) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Moroderzone ( talk • contribs) 20:37, 17 October 2009 (UTC)
LOL pseudoscience. I see all this troofing has led to enough vandalism to cause the 2012 article to be semi-protected. First of all: there is no Planet X. Second of all, Earth Changes relies in part on obsolete geology, which has been surpassed by the more accurate plate tectonics theory. How would Atlantis or Mu rise "again" if they were never there to begin with, and is the Mid-Atlantic Ridge really eruptive enough to create an "Atlantis"? (Well, it built Iceland, but that was hot spot volcanism, and I don't know of any other hot spots under the Mid-Atlantic Ridge.) As for Mu, there is an oceanic ridge at the boundaries of the Nazca Plate and Pacific Plate, but it's not likely to produce land. No land means no real displacement of water; no real displacement of water means no sea level rises swamping existing land. Finally, the idea of a rapid pole shift is also bunk. The Earth has a lot of inertia; how is it supposed to tilt without something big hitting it or affecting it somehow? Since there's apparently no planet X or anything similar in size, we might as well conclude the Earth will stay on roughly the same axis it has in the past. Now that this troofy stuff has been disproven, let's get on with the events that may realistically happen in 2012, and not worry about the troofy stuff. 192.12.88.7 ( talk) 18:53, 23 March 2009 (UTC)