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The National Coalition Party is blue in the table at the top of the page, and the Left Alliance is red. How are these colors generated, since both parties for some reason have the color black in the Finland political party colour templates, and the colors on their respective wiki pages doesn't seem to match either? The blue and red look much better and more appropriate, but where are they coming from? I need to know so that I can change color in the election results template. Thanks in advance for the help -- Darthdyas ( talk) 22:19, 17 April 2011 (UTC)
Why is the Communist Party included in the infobox? They haven't been a notable group for many years and it is extremely unlikely that they will get any seats this time either. If they are included shouldn't every other little party be included as well? -- Soppakanuuna ( talk) 20:10, 4 March 2011 (UTC)
I think that that the ninth largest party should still be included because you can easily see what the largest party is outside of parliment, so the party that received the 9th amount of votes should be put there. Guyb123321 ( talk) 21:31, 17 April 2011 (UTC)
It is quite confusing as there are so many far left REGISTERED partys with similar names,
Communist Party Workers Party Communist Workers Party For Peace and Socialism
And so on, so if someone could add the results of the Communist Workers Party For Peace and Socialism that would be much appreciated, link to there wikipedia page here - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communist_Workers%27_Party_%E2%80%93_For_Peace_and_Socialism Guyb123321 ( talk) 09:08, 18 April 2011 (UTC)
This is an ongoing section with an expansion tag, were already working on its improvement (unfortunateyl most sources are in finnish soi its taking time) but were already planmning the movel akin to the Swedish general election, 2010. discussion for that is ongoing and others are welcome to add and help for that too./ the intention is NOT to limit anything to 1 party and an expansion there is ongoing. (see the subsection on debates (which we could remove the subsectio if need be)) At any rate, the current title is pov by any strectch of the imadgination Lihaas ( talk) 09:01, 7 March 2011 (UTC)
the list is pertinent, particularly for the notable ones. See Irish general election, 2011. we also need something more than the vague "nearly 40" Lihaas ( talk) 11:44, 13 April 2011 (UTC)
Article should include the connections. I write here while not having now the link. The gallup company Taloustutkimus is owned by Eero Lehti a parliament representative of the National Coalition Party. In the previous elections in Finland the campaign finance was critized by media and the Group of States Against Corruption. Eero Lehti received the highest campaign support in the year 2007. According to his own report all financing in 2007 was from his farther. When campaign financing was crirtized in 2007, yle published less critical gallup results made by Taloustutkismus owned by Eero Lehti. When Eero Lehti entered the politics, Helsingin Sanomat started own gallups to increase the neutraity of the gallups. Watti Renew ( talk) 12:33, 19 April 2011 (UTC)
The verification count is now over: http://yle.fi/vaalit/tulospalvelu/2011/index.html Its result is the official result. The number of votes and the percentages ought to be updated now. -- 89.27.103.116 ( talk) 18:35, 20 April 2011 (UTC)
should we have this on the page r o asplit off into another page like the new parliametn?( Lihaas ( talk) 19:24, 20 April 2011 (UTC)).
in what must be the most comprehensive election article outside the english-speaking world weve crossed the 100k mark which means its too large and slow for some to load. What should we cut? the reactions and analysis? or the campaign section perhaps? move to a split off article?( Lihaas ( talk) 12:29, 22 April 2011 (UTC)).
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According to media the numbers one and seven were mixed and some votes were not counted but were be lost for this reason. It could make a difference. According to Helsingin Sanomat the numbers in the lists and the instructions were different (like | and 7 plus - on top of it). I do not know if the official numbers were in the election coupons sent to homes or were shown in the election places? In the election place I saw only the list of candidates with numbers from 0 to 9 including 1 and 7, if relevant, like in this text.. Notice: In Helsingin Sanomat a person suggested an easy and costless solution: The problem numbers one and seven will not be used in the next elections. I have not seen good arguments why these numbers should be used. The other way around, some people could argument that for psychological reasons numbers one (the leader) and seven (religious number) could be neglected. For development I suggest that this article would be supplemented with the statistics: How many votes were disqualified? According to the news drawing of a hearth or a sun in the coupon followed in the the disqualification of the vote numbers. Question arises: Who tends to make extra drawings? Is the disqualification thus neutral and necessary if a clear candidate number exists? Do people dare to write different 1 and 7 than shown in the election cabinet, since the rules are more strict than logical? The “wrong” numbers, like 1 and 7 that can be mixed, shown both in the election lists and advertisements, were criticized in the media after the election took place. Watti Renew ( talk) 17:43, 28 April 2011 (UTC)
The fact box header states it lists all 200 seats. In fact it lists the nine biggest parties (I suppose), one of which did not get any seats. The 200th seat is that of the Åland representative sv:Elisabeth Nauclér. Shouldn't she be included instead of (or in addition to) Pasi Palmulehto?
Åland has a party system of its own and the issues, especially in the parliament election, are totally different from those in the mainland. The individual result can be seen here and the result per party (or whatever) here. I know it is funny to have an IP number address (belonging to a private company! without DNS records!) for official results, but such are the times over here in Nokia land. Try to find the results via the parliament or ministry of justice (and get to that address) if you do not believe it otherwise.
-- LPfi ( talk) 10:18, 4 May 2011 (UTC)
Sort by seats won, not seats gained (increased). Thanks. – Kaihsu ( talk) 08:05, 7 May 2011 (UTC)
The "all 200 seats" only means that all seats were up for election (as always in Finnish elections). The chart lists parties by votes. The Åland representative is mentioned in the more detailed chart under 'Results'. As it is mentioned there, I don't see a reason to mention it separately in the chart on the top of the page, as it would be an exception to rank by votes -order. -- 89.27.103.116 ( talk) 17:31, 13 May 2011 (UTC)
i changed somethings round per Wikipedia:Peer_review/Finnish_parliamentary_election,_2011/archive1 ( Lihaas ( talk) 21:13, 17 May 2011 (UTC)).
whats the story with them? any connection to TF? a google search leads to blog posts ready to condemn as "neo-nazi". but is there a connection we can add here to electoral politics?( Lihaas ( talk) 04:54, 18 May 2011 (UTC)).
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You need to address a few more issues before I can pass the article;
Hi. (Not sure if this is the proper format to put my point...) The Government formation section should contain a brief summary of the agreed-upon government program, (while the full article would be at Jyrki Katainen's cabinet). -- Frous ( talk) 00:22, 19 June 2011 (UTC)
Hi.
The first sentence could be written much better, in my opinion. "An election to the Eduskunta (Parliament of Finland), was held on 17 April 2011 after the previous parliament's term expired." That is correct but in my English, if you present an event, you begin it with a definite article. The version with "an election" would sound good if the article starts like "yeah there was an election in some country, but anyway the main point is THIS".
So. This is my proposition:
"The Finnish parliamentary election of 2011 was the 36th election to the Eduskunta (Parliament of Finland), held on 17 April 2011 after the termination of the previous parliamentary term."
Opinions? -- Frous ( talk) 10:28, 20 June 2011 (UTC)
there were some changes made to the page again despite the BOLD addition being challenged which calls for BRD, and there was then no discussion or consensus.
Regarding this edit: [38]
References
Sme stuff seems sorted but some stuff is still disputed. to outline the points of disagreement:
References
Shouldn't the results for each party stand logically before the reactions to the results? The whole text for government formation should not be at 36th Finnish parliament, it should be at Jyrki Katainen's cabinet. After that's done, the main article should be removed from there. -- Frous ( talk) 11:24, 24 June 2011 (UTC)
Lot to discuss:
I think the first sentence could be written much better, in my opinion. "An election to the Eduskunta (parliament of Finland) was held on 17 April 2011 after the termination of the previous parliamentary term." That is correct English, no doubt, but if you just presented the concept named election, you would prefer to begin it with an indefinite article, an. (Similarly if you present a species A camel is an even-toed ungulate...) But here you are not presenting any concept, you are presenting an example of it.
So. This is my proposition (main points are the and 36th, whether to bold or not some words, I don't care):
"The Finnish parliamentary election of 2011 was the 36th election to the Eduskunta (parliament of Finland), held on 17 April 2011 after the termination of the previous parliamentary term."
Opinions? -- Frous ( talk) 13:21, 24 June 2011 (UTC)
I'm not sure if I've got it wrong, but I think you don't use the before the title if it's followed by a name, even if there were an attribute like incumbent.
These true? Any existing rules? Any agreed-upon conventions and where specifically at en.wiki? -- Frous ( talk) 13:21, 24 June 2011 (UTC)
You italicise only the magazines, not the companies.
These true? Any existing rules? Any agreed-upon conventions and where specifically at en.wiki? -- Frous ( talk) 13:21, 24 June 2011 (UTC)
By common sense, the election is held first, then come the results, then come the reactions and more detailed political analyses to the results. Party-specific results are now placed after the reactions of politicians, media and so on. Which is quite unlogical in my opinion...
Any agreed-upon conventions and where specifically at en.wiki? -- Frous ( talk) 13:21, 24 June 2011 (UTC)
If you read the text closely, you see three phases:
1) TF says no no no -> six-party talks 2) Leftist parties say no to VAT increase -> no sixpack 3) Greens say no -> back to sixpack
So the beginning summary and the paragraph should contain all those three. Concisely. -- Frous ( talk) 13:21, 24 June 2011 (UTC)
Which one should we use? If we choose one, the same (or its abbreviations) must be used consistently in both the text and the references. -- Frous ( talk) 10:38, 24 June 2011 (UTC)
IMO, "Finnish Broadcasting Company" should be the form used regarding the former question. On a related note, the refs alltogether needs a thorough cleanup, and should use a consistent form. With dates, I prefer "22 June 2011" rather than "2011-06-22". In any case, they should all use the exact same format, not examples of many different formats as it does at present. – Bellatores (t.) 14:11, 24 June 2011 (UTC)
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Hi, I'm going to review this article for GA. I am not Finnish, so I will learn a bit today about the Finnish electoral system.
Anyway, enough chatter, here are some minor issues which I couldn't fix myself:
From National Coalition Party:
I think that there is a word missing in the Italic text. Done
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The section concerning NCP candidate Kai Pöntinen deals with controversies during the 2009 European election, not this election. The source used is this [42], you can see the dating 4.6.2009 on the upper-right corner. -- 128.214.69.228 ( talk) 08:58, 8 September 2011 (UTC)
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The National Coalition Party is blue in the table at the top of the page, and the Left Alliance is red. How are these colors generated, since both parties for some reason have the color black in the Finland political party colour templates, and the colors on their respective wiki pages doesn't seem to match either? The blue and red look much better and more appropriate, but where are they coming from? I need to know so that I can change color in the election results template. Thanks in advance for the help -- Darthdyas ( talk) 22:19, 17 April 2011 (UTC)
Why is the Communist Party included in the infobox? They haven't been a notable group for many years and it is extremely unlikely that they will get any seats this time either. If they are included shouldn't every other little party be included as well? -- Soppakanuuna ( talk) 20:10, 4 March 2011 (UTC)
I think that that the ninth largest party should still be included because you can easily see what the largest party is outside of parliment, so the party that received the 9th amount of votes should be put there. Guyb123321 ( talk) 21:31, 17 April 2011 (UTC)
It is quite confusing as there are so many far left REGISTERED partys with similar names,
Communist Party Workers Party Communist Workers Party For Peace and Socialism
And so on, so if someone could add the results of the Communist Workers Party For Peace and Socialism that would be much appreciated, link to there wikipedia page here - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communist_Workers%27_Party_%E2%80%93_For_Peace_and_Socialism Guyb123321 ( talk) 09:08, 18 April 2011 (UTC)
This is an ongoing section with an expansion tag, were already working on its improvement (unfortunateyl most sources are in finnish soi its taking time) but were already planmning the movel akin to the Swedish general election, 2010. discussion for that is ongoing and others are welcome to add and help for that too./ the intention is NOT to limit anything to 1 party and an expansion there is ongoing. (see the subsection on debates (which we could remove the subsectio if need be)) At any rate, the current title is pov by any strectch of the imadgination Lihaas ( talk) 09:01, 7 March 2011 (UTC)
the list is pertinent, particularly for the notable ones. See Irish general election, 2011. we also need something more than the vague "nearly 40" Lihaas ( talk) 11:44, 13 April 2011 (UTC)
Article should include the connections. I write here while not having now the link. The gallup company Taloustutkimus is owned by Eero Lehti a parliament representative of the National Coalition Party. In the previous elections in Finland the campaign finance was critized by media and the Group of States Against Corruption. Eero Lehti received the highest campaign support in the year 2007. According to his own report all financing in 2007 was from his farther. When campaign financing was crirtized in 2007, yle published less critical gallup results made by Taloustutkismus owned by Eero Lehti. When Eero Lehti entered the politics, Helsingin Sanomat started own gallups to increase the neutraity of the gallups. Watti Renew ( talk) 12:33, 19 April 2011 (UTC)
The verification count is now over: http://yle.fi/vaalit/tulospalvelu/2011/index.html Its result is the official result. The number of votes and the percentages ought to be updated now. -- 89.27.103.116 ( talk) 18:35, 20 April 2011 (UTC)
should we have this on the page r o asplit off into another page like the new parliametn?( Lihaas ( talk) 19:24, 20 April 2011 (UTC)).
in what must be the most comprehensive election article outside the english-speaking world weve crossed the 100k mark which means its too large and slow for some to load. What should we cut? the reactions and analysis? or the campaign section perhaps? move to a split off article?( Lihaas ( talk) 12:29, 22 April 2011 (UTC)).
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According to media the numbers one and seven were mixed and some votes were not counted but were be lost for this reason. It could make a difference. According to Helsingin Sanomat the numbers in the lists and the instructions were different (like | and 7 plus - on top of it). I do not know if the official numbers were in the election coupons sent to homes or were shown in the election places? In the election place I saw only the list of candidates with numbers from 0 to 9 including 1 and 7, if relevant, like in this text.. Notice: In Helsingin Sanomat a person suggested an easy and costless solution: The problem numbers one and seven will not be used in the next elections. I have not seen good arguments why these numbers should be used. The other way around, some people could argument that for psychological reasons numbers one (the leader) and seven (religious number) could be neglected. For development I suggest that this article would be supplemented with the statistics: How many votes were disqualified? According to the news drawing of a hearth or a sun in the coupon followed in the the disqualification of the vote numbers. Question arises: Who tends to make extra drawings? Is the disqualification thus neutral and necessary if a clear candidate number exists? Do people dare to write different 1 and 7 than shown in the election cabinet, since the rules are more strict than logical? The “wrong” numbers, like 1 and 7 that can be mixed, shown both in the election lists and advertisements, were criticized in the media after the election took place. Watti Renew ( talk) 17:43, 28 April 2011 (UTC)
The fact box header states it lists all 200 seats. In fact it lists the nine biggest parties (I suppose), one of which did not get any seats. The 200th seat is that of the Åland representative sv:Elisabeth Nauclér. Shouldn't she be included instead of (or in addition to) Pasi Palmulehto?
Åland has a party system of its own and the issues, especially in the parliament election, are totally different from those in the mainland. The individual result can be seen here and the result per party (or whatever) here. I know it is funny to have an IP number address (belonging to a private company! without DNS records!) for official results, but such are the times over here in Nokia land. Try to find the results via the parliament or ministry of justice (and get to that address) if you do not believe it otherwise.
-- LPfi ( talk) 10:18, 4 May 2011 (UTC)
Sort by seats won, not seats gained (increased). Thanks. – Kaihsu ( talk) 08:05, 7 May 2011 (UTC)
The "all 200 seats" only means that all seats were up for election (as always in Finnish elections). The chart lists parties by votes. The Åland representative is mentioned in the more detailed chart under 'Results'. As it is mentioned there, I don't see a reason to mention it separately in the chart on the top of the page, as it would be an exception to rank by votes -order. -- 89.27.103.116 ( talk) 17:31, 13 May 2011 (UTC)
i changed somethings round per Wikipedia:Peer_review/Finnish_parliamentary_election,_2011/archive1 ( Lihaas ( talk) 21:13, 17 May 2011 (UTC)).
whats the story with them? any connection to TF? a google search leads to blog posts ready to condemn as "neo-nazi". but is there a connection we can add here to electoral politics?( Lihaas ( talk) 04:54, 18 May 2011 (UTC)).
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You need to address a few more issues before I can pass the article;
Hi. (Not sure if this is the proper format to put my point...) The Government formation section should contain a brief summary of the agreed-upon government program, (while the full article would be at Jyrki Katainen's cabinet). -- Frous ( talk) 00:22, 19 June 2011 (UTC)
Hi.
The first sentence could be written much better, in my opinion. "An election to the Eduskunta (Parliament of Finland), was held on 17 April 2011 after the previous parliament's term expired." That is correct but in my English, if you present an event, you begin it with a definite article. The version with "an election" would sound good if the article starts like "yeah there was an election in some country, but anyway the main point is THIS".
So. This is my proposition:
"The Finnish parliamentary election of 2011 was the 36th election to the Eduskunta (Parliament of Finland), held on 17 April 2011 after the termination of the previous parliamentary term."
Opinions? -- Frous ( talk) 10:28, 20 June 2011 (UTC)
there were some changes made to the page again despite the BOLD addition being challenged which calls for BRD, and there was then no discussion or consensus.
Regarding this edit: [38]
References
Sme stuff seems sorted but some stuff is still disputed. to outline the points of disagreement:
References
Shouldn't the results for each party stand logically before the reactions to the results? The whole text for government formation should not be at 36th Finnish parliament, it should be at Jyrki Katainen's cabinet. After that's done, the main article should be removed from there. -- Frous ( talk) 11:24, 24 June 2011 (UTC)
Lot to discuss:
I think the first sentence could be written much better, in my opinion. "An election to the Eduskunta (parliament of Finland) was held on 17 April 2011 after the termination of the previous parliamentary term." That is correct English, no doubt, but if you just presented the concept named election, you would prefer to begin it with an indefinite article, an. (Similarly if you present a species A camel is an even-toed ungulate...) But here you are not presenting any concept, you are presenting an example of it.
So. This is my proposition (main points are the and 36th, whether to bold or not some words, I don't care):
"The Finnish parliamentary election of 2011 was the 36th election to the Eduskunta (parliament of Finland), held on 17 April 2011 after the termination of the previous parliamentary term."
Opinions? -- Frous ( talk) 13:21, 24 June 2011 (UTC)
I'm not sure if I've got it wrong, but I think you don't use the before the title if it's followed by a name, even if there were an attribute like incumbent.
These true? Any existing rules? Any agreed-upon conventions and where specifically at en.wiki? -- Frous ( talk) 13:21, 24 June 2011 (UTC)
You italicise only the magazines, not the companies.
These true? Any existing rules? Any agreed-upon conventions and where specifically at en.wiki? -- Frous ( talk) 13:21, 24 June 2011 (UTC)
By common sense, the election is held first, then come the results, then come the reactions and more detailed political analyses to the results. Party-specific results are now placed after the reactions of politicians, media and so on. Which is quite unlogical in my opinion...
Any agreed-upon conventions and where specifically at en.wiki? -- Frous ( talk) 13:21, 24 June 2011 (UTC)
If you read the text closely, you see three phases:
1) TF says no no no -> six-party talks 2) Leftist parties say no to VAT increase -> no sixpack 3) Greens say no -> back to sixpack
So the beginning summary and the paragraph should contain all those three. Concisely. -- Frous ( talk) 13:21, 24 June 2011 (UTC)
Which one should we use? If we choose one, the same (or its abbreviations) must be used consistently in both the text and the references. -- Frous ( talk) 10:38, 24 June 2011 (UTC)
IMO, "Finnish Broadcasting Company" should be the form used regarding the former question. On a related note, the refs alltogether needs a thorough cleanup, and should use a consistent form. With dates, I prefer "22 June 2011" rather than "2011-06-22". In any case, they should all use the exact same format, not examples of many different formats as it does at present. – Bellatores (t.) 14:11, 24 June 2011 (UTC)
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Hi, I'm going to review this article for GA. I am not Finnish, so I will learn a bit today about the Finnish electoral system.
Anyway, enough chatter, here are some minor issues which I couldn't fix myself:
From National Coalition Party:
I think that there is a word missing in the Italic text. Done
213.94.240.18 (
talk) 16:57, 5 September 2011 (UTC)
If you find any issues that I didn't find, then please fix them.
Other than that, I find no more issues with the article. If that can be fixed, then I am going to pass it. Until then, on hold for 7 days.
PASSED - Just in the nick of time, tomorrow at four was the deadline; I congratulate you on your achievement and I will change the boxes on the top of the talk page to
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The section concerning NCP candidate Kai Pöntinen deals with controversies during the 2009 European election, not this election. The source used is this [42], you can see the dating 4.6.2009 on the upper-right corner. -- 128.214.69.228 ( talk) 08:58, 8 September 2011 (UTC)
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