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One of two things is true about the images by Jonathan Rashad that appear in this article. Either the flickr page that lists these images as copyrighted is accurate and the user who uploaded them violated that copyright, or the user who uploaded them is Mr Rashad and released these files under CC-2.0 as stated in the file description. If the former is true these files must be removed and deleted. If the latter is true the copyright should be cropped out of the image. I will ask a commons admin and OTRS volunteer how we should proceed. nableezy - 19:22, 23 February 2011 (UTC)
I'm listing here any general references (not breaking news) about the protests so that we can collect them and fill them in the article later.-- Diaa abdelmoneim ( talk) 11:48, 11 February 2011 (UTC)
this file really doesnt further anyhing ont he page or illustrate mch. it seems itd be better on the x ray page. or human bones. Lihaas ( talk) 18:45, 7 February 2011 (UTC)
According to this report just released by the Guardian, the army has not been acting neutrally and, likely, has only been doing so in name. Instead, there seems to be a systematic campaign to discourage protesters from being involved, mostly through the application of torture. The Museum of Egyptian Antiquities seems to be a main base site for these tortures. Silver seren C 23:16, 9 February 2011 (UTC)
I added an external link to Al Jazeera's live reporting from Tahrir square. It's on their YouTube channel here: http://www.youtube.com/aljazeeraenglish?feature=ticker. It was removed, but I'm not sure why. Per BRD I'd normally discuss it first, but since this event is happening right now, I'm going to put it back. Maybe the recentism is part of the issue, but I don't see this as compromising our encyclopedic stance. For one, this entire article is recent, and secondly, external links have a much looser approach to content which is useful but not directly encyclopedic. Thoughts? Ocaasi ( talk) 20:28, 10 February 2011 (UTC)
Would some other editors comment on the appropriateness of the link discussed above? Ocaasi ( talk) 21:53, 10 February 2011 (UTC)
Wikipedia:External links/Noticeboard notified. Cptnono ( talk) 00:28, 11 February 2011 (UTC)
Also posted at the Jimbo's talk page Ocaasi ( talk) 00:58, 11 February 2011 (UTC)
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This article currently has more references than any other Wikipedia article that I've ever seen (387). Does anyone know if there is a maximum that the Wiki software can handle? (And no I don't have a suggestion on whether or which references should be dropped (probably better is sub-articles), but just throwing it out as a *possible* concern) Naraht ( talk) 13:42, 11 February 2011 (UTC)
That should not be a standalone article. It should be merged or deleted. -- Muboshgu ( talk) 20:22, 11 February 2011 (UTC)
Done --
Guerillero |
My Talk 22:01, 11 February 2011 (UTC)
First of all its a Template. The reason we have there is because the article used get vandalized all the time and the numbers we always one of the fav. thing people played with. --
The Egyptian Liberal (
talk) 11:42, 12 February 2011 (UTC)
I was finally able to do this section any comments or help is welcome.-- Diaa abdelmoneim ( talk) 02:12, 12 February 2011 (UTC)
Please see my comment titled "Pro-Mubarak Protests." Some parts of this section are false and are created under the basis of misinterpretation of various sources. Example: there were not half a million Mubarak supporters and they were not comprised of any youth movements. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Andalus7 ( talk • contribs) 03:53, 12 February 2011 (UTC)
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Mannuak ( talk) 07:28, 12 February 2011 (UTC)
The way Mubarak resigned was unconstitutional. It is explicitly stated that he should had appointed president a politician, instead he created a military junta. He was in the military himself. Please source this properly and include it. I don't know how or have the time for to source the proper arguments for it. I suppose it needs a Lawyer and proper sourced Constitution documents and potentially other relevant laws. -- Athinker ( talk) 10:37, 12 February 2011 (UTC)
It is a minor point but can editors please stop adding full-points to captions that are not complete sentences (ie ones that do not contain a main verb). I have lost track of the number of times I have removed them (eg, "Demonstrators marching on 25 January." does not need that full-stop because "marching" is not a main verb). See Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style#Formatting_of_captions. Ericoides ( talk) 11:28, 12 February 2011 (UTC)
Look at that. I don't know if it's properly discussed and sourced in the article. -- Athinker ( talk) 15:53, 12 February 2011 (UTC)
Feb 11 was the day of decisiveness Egyptian Arabic يوم الحسم youm elhasm hope this is added since i am unable to edit the page myself. -- 216.249.11.108 ( talk) 17:30, 12 February 2011 (UTC)
See Coalition of the Youth of the Revolution. Cs32en Talk to me 20:38, 12 February 2011 (UTC)
I noticed, under the section 'Day of Love' in the article that it needed to be cleaned up. I did a fair bit, but I would like others to check and see if I missed anything before we remove the notice. MrMonday1 ( talk) 21:03, 12 February 2011 (UTC)
Move to Egyptian Revolution this is THE revolution that 99.9999999% of readers r looking 4 righ now!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.77.137.57 ( talk) 23:27, 12 February 2011 (UTC)
Egypt has been ruled by the military since 1952. The removal of general Mubarak will make little difference - there is now a military dictatorship in place rather than a military-civil dictatorship. The only way for Egypt to move on is to undo the effects of 58 years of military rule, and return to the pre-revolutionary parliamentary democracy. Has anyone heard whether there have been calls for the restoration of the monarchy? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.197.15.138 ( talk) 00:39, 13 February 2011 (UTC)
I wanna start a section with the lead up to the protests. I think the mark can be the Tunisia protests and then self immolation of multiple people and the various small protests that escalated into larger ones. Al Masry Al youm shows all articles leading up to the events if u search for protests there. Anyone wanna help? -- Diaa abdelmoneim ( talk) 21:56, 5 February 2011 (UTC)
Diaa, I'm not the best at writing articles, but it is very important to both mention in the timeline, as well as link to, the following person/event: Egyptian activist Asmaa Mahfouz posted a video online urging people to protest the “corrupt government” of Hosni Mubarak by rallying in Tahrir Square on January 25. Her moving call ultimately helped inspire Egypt’s uprising. "I, a girl, am going down to Tahrir Square, and I will stand alone. And I’ll hold up a banner. Perhaps people will show some honor,” Mahfouz said. "Don’t think you can be safe anymore. None of us are. Come down with us and demand your rights, my rights, your family’s rights. I am going down on January 25th and will say no to corruption, no to this regime." see: http://www.democracynow.org/2011/2/8/asmaa_mahfouz_the_youtube_video_that for the interview with Democracy Now. As well as the youtube video. She was later credited by Wael Ghonim. I haven't been able to find out if there was a previous (activist) relationship between the two of them. Still looking. This is VERY important as many are asking how did the people know to go to Tahrir Square on the 25th. She is one of the primary reasons. The wikipedia article on her and this event is http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asmaa_Mahfouz (and it's skimpy). Please help! Zygarch ( talk) 05:41, 12 February 2011 (UTC)zygarch User:Zygarch'
{{od}Ocaasi, please distinguish the difference between a background on the protests and a background on Egypt. If we were to write a background on Egypt, then we would run out of space due to the many many issues that could be covered. Therefore, we must be concise and selective on the most relevant ones (which The Egyptian Liberal has done successfully). However, I agree with you on changing the header of the Analysis section to something else (for example "Aftermath" or "Consequences") to better capture the theme of this section. Moreover, I have suggested to move the accusation of the Interior Minister on the Alex. Church bombing to the "Domestic Responses" to where the religious institutions is covered. As a result, the Aftermath section would only include info on what is happening after the protests come to an end; i.e. military rule, a possible change in foreign relations issues, and what ever comes as well. Regards. -- Osa osa 5 ( talk) 06:39, 12 February 2011 (UTC)
Moved, boldy. I removed/integrated the Analysis section. I put Military and Foreign Relations where they fit naturally in the general Background. I put the Alexandria Bombing as a subset of the Lead-Up Section. Please check the categorization, but regardless of which place those sections end up, we can't just have a hanging, mis-named, achronological Analysis section at the end of an article which already forks to separate Domestic and International pages. Ocaasi ( talk) 22:31, 13 February 2011 (UTC)
This article is a wall of words, is it necessary to have detailed documentation of every single day? 129.25.21.253 ( talk) 14:48, 11 February 2011 (UTC)
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It is approaching 200 kb already. Please refractor and split into offshoots. ~ A H 1( T C U) 23:15, 12 February 2011 (UTC)
Should the format for the time line be changed from "25 January" to "January 25"? It looks a lot neater on the contents table. -- Mabduhu ( talk) 01:12, 13 February 2011 (UTC)
If someone find the correct place for this table ! let's include it and complete it. :)
Demands [1] | Status | Date |
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1. The resignation of president Mohammed Hosni Mubarak | Satisfied | |
2. Cancelling the Emergency Law | ||
3. Dismantling the state secret service | ||
4. An announcement by (Vice-President) Omar Suleiman that he will not run in the next presidential elections | ||
5. Dissolving the Parliament and Shura Council | ? | |
6. Releasing all the prisoners since January 25 | ||
7. Ending the curfew so that life resumes as normal across the country | ||
8. Dismantling the university guards system | ||
9. Referring officials responsible for the use of violences against the peaceful protesters since January 25 and those responsible for the organised thuggery which followed January 28 to an investigation committee | ||
10. Sacking Anas el-Fiqqi and stopping the attack on protesters in government owned media through threats and calling protesters traitors, and ending the spread of hate against foreigners in the streets | ||
11. Reimbursing shop owners for their losses during the curfew | ||
12. Announcing the demands above on government television and radio |
See also : "People's Communique No 1", Yug (talk) 16:57, 13 February 2011 (UTC)
The different concepts thrown around on in the debate needs to be clarified. For thirty years there has been a State of Emergency enforced. That is a civilian circumstance found in legal sources such as a constitution and in enactments of law from a parliament or president, the key is that its sources lays within Civil Law. This is in contrast to the concept of Martial Law whose source is military rule. In other words, for thirty years a civil State of Emergency has been in place. This is part of the formally civil system of governance which was replaced by Martial Law at the moment the State powers were transferred from the presidency to the military rulers. From a legal standpoint, the country has gone from a civil State of Emergency to a military state of Martial Law. This could be interpreted as a revolution if the military bends to the political will of the revolutionaries. If it bends to another political will it is simply a Coup de Etat and the revolution is high-jacked. The political wills in the country and how it steers the military policies determines the outcome. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.176.226.32 ( talk) 01:38, 14 February 2011 (UTC)
Yes, I agree with the contributors. We may call the State of Emergency many things, but it is most definitely not "martial law", as some cynical Western reporters have dubbed it. A better term would be "period of freedom" or "restructuring interval". Leader Tantawi (peace be upon him) has made this clear on multiple occasions. The Egyptian people are rejoicing. Mardiste ( talk) 23:25, 14 February 2011 (UTC)
A revolution certainly occurred in Egypt, but this article does not focus on that. Instead it focuses on the popular uprising, or revolt, that led to this revolution. The revolution was the ceding of power to the army, the suspension of the constitution and the dissolution of both houses of parliament (the Shura Council and the People's Assembly). I propose that this article be retitled 2011 Egyptian uprising or 2011 Egyptian revolt and another article be created about the actual revolution. Both of these topics should be covered in depth. But as it is we have a comprehensive article on the revolt but not much on the revolution. Also, the first paragraph is a mess. After the names, the first sentence reads is a social movement that began in Egypt on 25 January 2011, characterised by a series of street demonstrations, marches, rallies, acts of civil disobedience, riots, labour strikes, and violent clashes; the date was selected to coincide with the National Police Day. I suggest this be changed to, if this name is kept, The 2011 Egyptian Revolution took place following a popular uprising that began on 25 January. The revolt saw widespread protests against the regime of Hosni Mubarak throughout Egypt and was characterised by demonstrations, labour strikes, acts of civil disobedience and occasions of violent confrontations between protesters and security forces and later between dueling groups of protesters. On 11 Febrary, Mubarak resigned as President of Egypt, ceding his authority to the Supreme Council of the Armed Forces. No doubt this can be improved on, but it would be an improvement if we can get the first few sentences to follow the rules of the English language. nableezy - 20:53, 14 February 2011 (UTC)
Nobody has claimed responsibility for the explosion, and the Egyptian government said it was an accident. While there was some speculation in reliable sources about various possibilities, none of this speculation - to my knowledge - was later corroborated by any facts that would point in the respective direction. Reliable sources have not reported about any consequences the event may have had on the events related to the revolution. Im pasting the text here, in case it is of use in some other article. The Arish-Ashkelon pipeline is considered to be part of the Arab Gas Pipeline, therefore, the separate link is not necessary. Cs32en Talk to me
An explosion also occurred on the Arab Gas Pipeline in the Sinai at a gas pipeline to Israel and Jordan after saboteurs were believed to have responded to a call by Islamist groups to exploit the unrest. [1] the terrified residents told of a huge explosion and reported that flames were raging out of the bombed gas pipeline near El-Arish on Febuary 5th. [2] Supplies to Israel and Jordan [2] were expected to be cut for a week. [3] 40% of Israel's natural gas comes from Egypt via the Arish-Ashkelon gas pipeline because a deal built on their landmark 1979 peace accord. [1]
- ^ a b Perry, Tom (2011-02-05). "Egypt gas pipeline attacked; Israel, Jordan flow hit". Vancouversun.com. Retrieved 2011-02-12.
- ^ a b Perry, Tom (2011-02-05). "Egypt gas pipeline attacked; Israel, Jordan flow hit". Vancouversun.com. Retrieved 2011-02-12.
- ^ "UPDATE 1-Jordan gas supplies to be halted a week after blast". Reuters. 2009-02-09. Retrieved 2011-02-05.
The internet has played a very big role in the revolution in Egypt and Tunisia, and it is playing a big roles in Yemen, Algeria, Iran etc. It deserves a special section and article for its huge role.
Here is the Wikipedia article on Human impact of Internet use. The article has a special section on internet and political revolutions http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_impact_of_Internet_use#Internet_and_political_revolutions
You can talk more about how the internet impacted Egypt their. also, I think that this article on the Egypt revolution should have a special secton on the internet. -- Jo ( talk) 19:42, 13 February 2011 (UTC)
The hacking of the Tunisian and Egyptian goverment sites is well worth noteing.-- Wipsenade ( talk) 20:33, 13 February 2011 (UTC)
Especially at the "February 10" Section, the Number of 3 Million Protestors at Tahrir Square is ridiculous.
First of all, has anyone looked at the source? The number appears when the article or rather blog quotes a a protestor's comment. This is by no means an independent number an even if we would go with it, a protestor a the ground amidst thousands of people surrounding him has no means of fairly judging the number of protestors on the whole tahrir square.
Second. has anyone actually looked what that would mean if 3 Million people where at the square? Let's go though some rough numbers. Let's say the Tahrir square with its adjacent streets has a very generous 250m x 250m, that would equal an area of 62500m2. Now if there actually where 3 Million people in that area each person could occupy an area of no more but 208cm2 which equals an area of less than 15cm by 15cm.
This is not only impossible from a mathematical point of view but even if the whole square was packed to its theoretical mathematical maximum, people would not survive this for very long also because of the very probable mass panic and a stampede as seen some months ago in germany at the love parade (btw.the people/area there where far from what here is claimed) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.58.148.172 ( talk) 22:09, 14 February 2011 (UTC)
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I see the article is approching 170,000 bytes, would now be a good time for a split off article here? The protests have gone on for about two weeks now and the timeline only grows, this article should not just be focused on the timeline. -
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I suggest we start splitting the article now that the protests stopped and Mubarak resigned.-- Diaa abdelmoneim ( talk) 11:11, 12 February 2011 (UTC)
I would support the split if a rather large summary remains in this article. Another possibility would be to create several sub-articles for the main events in the timeline. Cs32en Talk to me 02:35, 13 February 2011 (UTC)
Conditional Support: A concise summary of the timeline with every important details can be mentioned in the main article. Probably the 18 days may be divided into heads say Day 1-7, Day 8-14, Day 15-18. And the detailed rest can be split 117.211.83.26 ( talk) 04:48, 13 February 2011 (UTC)
Support. Time to move it. I suggest we start by moving all except the last 2 days so that people arriving here can still have a section to put stuff. We can just match up the pages manually for a few days until the summary makes it clear that small details belong at the timeline. Ocaasi ( talk) 19:41, 13 February 2011 (UTC)
Conditional Support: I think split it between pre- & post- resignation. Right now, people continue to demonstrate and will demonstrate every Friday till elections are held. Hence, I don't really see how it "ended" per se. Z3bolla ( talk) 23:42, 13 February 2011 (UTC)
Support: It's the main focus of the article, which shouldn't really be the focus point. An actual "article" does not document the day-by-day occurences of an event. Splitting it off would be the best way, in my opinion. Sellyme Talk 00:31, 16 February 2011 (UTC)
Oppose: It is like talking about something that we have no information about. Please reintroduce the timeline, or even a summary. The article currently is very bland, I know that 200 kb is too much, but 70 kb is also irrelevant to t he size of the event. Thank you — Preceding
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Not a exactly a bullet-point timeline, but a summary of the protests as they happened is desperately needed in the article now. -- Sherif9282 ( talk) 13:14, 16 February 2011 (UTC)
With all due respect, is this article a joke? It's about a couple weeks of street protests, whereas the French Revolution was a far more significant event which lasted ten years. REMEMBER: Wikipedia is not a newspaper. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.29.40.2 ( talk) 23:42, 15 February 2011 (UTC)
With all due respect, I find the Egyptian revolution to be FAR more significant than the French revolution as it affects the World. As wee see today the revolutionary spirit is spreading throughout many countries. The French revolution just affects France or Europe at most. So don't make your opinions sound as facts.
The article is now a desert for photos. We need to bring back some from the timeline article, place them throughout the text and maybe create a specially dedicated "Gallery" section. I can still contribute more photos, although they'll all be from Cairo. -- Sherif9282 ( talk) 19:24, 17 February 2011 (UTC)
Would it be okay with folks if we renamed the "Background" heading to "Grievances" since that's what we're talking about there? I'd also like to move some of the details from the lead into this section. -- Aude ( talk) 01:59, 18 February 2011 (UTC)
It seems like there will be an attempt to end the Gaza Strip blockade, here are some sources:
Also, Google search returns many more. Some better sources should be found on this, so information can be added about this where appropriate. -- 93.139.183.181 ( talk) 01:19, 19 February 2011 (UTC)
The lead paragraph has improved in that it is now written in English, but there are several problems with it. To begin with, "الثورة المصرية سنة ٢٠١١" is a made up name. You will not find that name anywhere besides the English Wikipedia. The common Arabic name, so far, is "ثورة 25 يناير" (Revolution of 25 Jan). Compare for instance this result for the currently listed name to this. Next, the sentence began in Egypt on 25 January 2011, with a series of street demonstrations, marches, rallies, acts of civil disobedience, riots, labour strikes, and violent clashes in Cairo, Alexandria, and throughout other cities in Egypt, is poorly worded. The sentence reads as though "street demonstrations, marches, rallies, acts of civil disobedience, riots, labour strikes, and violent clashes" took place on the 25th throughout Egypt. And what exactly is the difference between a "street demonstration" and a "rally"? I wrote something like this in an archived section, but I think this part should say took place following a popular uprising that began on 25 January, which featured .... The word "throughout" is either wrong and/or redundant and in any case unnecessary. I think the next sentence is a bit wordy and would just stick to one of the more common chants, that the "protesters demanded the fall of the regime of Hosni Mubarak". The corruption, repression, fraudulent "progress" towards democracy, that is all a part of that and can be enumerated either further down in the lead or in the body. Finally, the line Mubarak resigned from office as a result of determined popular protest and pressure. Really? I realize it has two citations, but here are a few that provide a different cause for his resignation. [7], [8], [9]. I think it would be best to rephrase this as Mubarak resigned from office following weeks of determined protests and pressure. And actually, I am not sure if he "resigned from office" or he "resigned the office" should be used. He, at least temporarily, abolished the office of President of Egypt, not sure if that qualifies as "resigning from". Take it or leave it, nableezy - 06:24, 22 February 2011 (UTC)
Any reason that Iran has its own, extensive summary here, in the Regional Instability section? If not, I suggest we consolidate/remove it into the general summary of the region's unrest. Ocaasi ( talk) 22:18, 23 February 2011 (UTC)
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One of two things is true about the images by Jonathan Rashad that appear in this article. Either the flickr page that lists these images as copyrighted is accurate and the user who uploaded them violated that copyright, or the user who uploaded them is Mr Rashad and released these files under CC-2.0 as stated in the file description. If the former is true these files must be removed and deleted. If the latter is true the copyright should be cropped out of the image. I will ask a commons admin and OTRS volunteer how we should proceed. nableezy - 19:22, 23 February 2011 (UTC)
I'm listing here any general references (not breaking news) about the protests so that we can collect them and fill them in the article later.-- Diaa abdelmoneim ( talk) 11:48, 11 February 2011 (UTC)
this file really doesnt further anyhing ont he page or illustrate mch. it seems itd be better on the x ray page. or human bones. Lihaas ( talk) 18:45, 7 February 2011 (UTC)
According to this report just released by the Guardian, the army has not been acting neutrally and, likely, has only been doing so in name. Instead, there seems to be a systematic campaign to discourage protesters from being involved, mostly through the application of torture. The Museum of Egyptian Antiquities seems to be a main base site for these tortures. Silver seren C 23:16, 9 February 2011 (UTC)
I added an external link to Al Jazeera's live reporting from Tahrir square. It's on their YouTube channel here: http://www.youtube.com/aljazeeraenglish?feature=ticker. It was removed, but I'm not sure why. Per BRD I'd normally discuss it first, but since this event is happening right now, I'm going to put it back. Maybe the recentism is part of the issue, but I don't see this as compromising our encyclopedic stance. For one, this entire article is recent, and secondly, external links have a much looser approach to content which is useful but not directly encyclopedic. Thoughts? Ocaasi ( talk) 20:28, 10 February 2011 (UTC)
Would some other editors comment on the appropriateness of the link discussed above? Ocaasi ( talk) 21:53, 10 February 2011 (UTC)
Wikipedia:External links/Noticeboard notified. Cptnono ( talk) 00:28, 11 February 2011 (UTC)
Also posted at the Jimbo's talk page Ocaasi ( talk) 00:58, 11 February 2011 (UTC)
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This article currently has more references than any other Wikipedia article that I've ever seen (387). Does anyone know if there is a maximum that the Wiki software can handle? (And no I don't have a suggestion on whether or which references should be dropped (probably better is sub-articles), but just throwing it out as a *possible* concern) Naraht ( talk) 13:42, 11 February 2011 (UTC)
That should not be a standalone article. It should be merged or deleted. -- Muboshgu ( talk) 20:22, 11 February 2011 (UTC)
Done --
Guerillero |
My Talk 22:01, 11 February 2011 (UTC)
First of all its a Template. The reason we have there is because the article used get vandalized all the time and the numbers we always one of the fav. thing people played with. --
The Egyptian Liberal (
talk) 11:42, 12 February 2011 (UTC)
I was finally able to do this section any comments or help is welcome.-- Diaa abdelmoneim ( talk) 02:12, 12 February 2011 (UTC)
Please see my comment titled "Pro-Mubarak Protests." Some parts of this section are false and are created under the basis of misinterpretation of various sources. Example: there were not half a million Mubarak supporters and they were not comprised of any youth movements. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Andalus7 ( talk • contribs) 03:53, 12 February 2011 (UTC)
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Mannuak ( talk) 07:28, 12 February 2011 (UTC)
The way Mubarak resigned was unconstitutional. It is explicitly stated that he should had appointed president a politician, instead he created a military junta. He was in the military himself. Please source this properly and include it. I don't know how or have the time for to source the proper arguments for it. I suppose it needs a Lawyer and proper sourced Constitution documents and potentially other relevant laws. -- Athinker ( talk) 10:37, 12 February 2011 (UTC)
It is a minor point but can editors please stop adding full-points to captions that are not complete sentences (ie ones that do not contain a main verb). I have lost track of the number of times I have removed them (eg, "Demonstrators marching on 25 January." does not need that full-stop because "marching" is not a main verb). See Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style#Formatting_of_captions. Ericoides ( talk) 11:28, 12 February 2011 (UTC)
Look at that. I don't know if it's properly discussed and sourced in the article. -- Athinker ( talk) 15:53, 12 February 2011 (UTC)
Feb 11 was the day of decisiveness Egyptian Arabic يوم الحسم youm elhasm hope this is added since i am unable to edit the page myself. -- 216.249.11.108 ( talk) 17:30, 12 February 2011 (UTC)
See Coalition of the Youth of the Revolution. Cs32en Talk to me 20:38, 12 February 2011 (UTC)
I noticed, under the section 'Day of Love' in the article that it needed to be cleaned up. I did a fair bit, but I would like others to check and see if I missed anything before we remove the notice. MrMonday1 ( talk) 21:03, 12 February 2011 (UTC)
Move to Egyptian Revolution this is THE revolution that 99.9999999% of readers r looking 4 righ now!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.77.137.57 ( talk) 23:27, 12 February 2011 (UTC)
Egypt has been ruled by the military since 1952. The removal of general Mubarak will make little difference - there is now a military dictatorship in place rather than a military-civil dictatorship. The only way for Egypt to move on is to undo the effects of 58 years of military rule, and return to the pre-revolutionary parliamentary democracy. Has anyone heard whether there have been calls for the restoration of the monarchy? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.197.15.138 ( talk) 00:39, 13 February 2011 (UTC)
I wanna start a section with the lead up to the protests. I think the mark can be the Tunisia protests and then self immolation of multiple people and the various small protests that escalated into larger ones. Al Masry Al youm shows all articles leading up to the events if u search for protests there. Anyone wanna help? -- Diaa abdelmoneim ( talk) 21:56, 5 February 2011 (UTC)
Diaa, I'm not the best at writing articles, but it is very important to both mention in the timeline, as well as link to, the following person/event: Egyptian activist Asmaa Mahfouz posted a video online urging people to protest the “corrupt government” of Hosni Mubarak by rallying in Tahrir Square on January 25. Her moving call ultimately helped inspire Egypt’s uprising. "I, a girl, am going down to Tahrir Square, and I will stand alone. And I’ll hold up a banner. Perhaps people will show some honor,” Mahfouz said. "Don’t think you can be safe anymore. None of us are. Come down with us and demand your rights, my rights, your family’s rights. I am going down on January 25th and will say no to corruption, no to this regime." see: http://www.democracynow.org/2011/2/8/asmaa_mahfouz_the_youtube_video_that for the interview with Democracy Now. As well as the youtube video. She was later credited by Wael Ghonim. I haven't been able to find out if there was a previous (activist) relationship between the two of them. Still looking. This is VERY important as many are asking how did the people know to go to Tahrir Square on the 25th. She is one of the primary reasons. The wikipedia article on her and this event is http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asmaa_Mahfouz (and it's skimpy). Please help! Zygarch ( talk) 05:41, 12 February 2011 (UTC)zygarch User:Zygarch'
{{od}Ocaasi, please distinguish the difference between a background on the protests and a background on Egypt. If we were to write a background on Egypt, then we would run out of space due to the many many issues that could be covered. Therefore, we must be concise and selective on the most relevant ones (which The Egyptian Liberal has done successfully). However, I agree with you on changing the header of the Analysis section to something else (for example "Aftermath" or "Consequences") to better capture the theme of this section. Moreover, I have suggested to move the accusation of the Interior Minister on the Alex. Church bombing to the "Domestic Responses" to where the religious institutions is covered. As a result, the Aftermath section would only include info on what is happening after the protests come to an end; i.e. military rule, a possible change in foreign relations issues, and what ever comes as well. Regards. -- Osa osa 5 ( talk) 06:39, 12 February 2011 (UTC)
Moved, boldy. I removed/integrated the Analysis section. I put Military and Foreign Relations where they fit naturally in the general Background. I put the Alexandria Bombing as a subset of the Lead-Up Section. Please check the categorization, but regardless of which place those sections end up, we can't just have a hanging, mis-named, achronological Analysis section at the end of an article which already forks to separate Domestic and International pages. Ocaasi ( talk) 22:31, 13 February 2011 (UTC)
This article is a wall of words, is it necessary to have detailed documentation of every single day? 129.25.21.253 ( talk) 14:48, 11 February 2011 (UTC)
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Field Marshal Tantawi actully said that all international treaties will be observed. He did not say the treaty with isreal will be observed. He only said international treaties
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It is approaching 200 kb already. Please refractor and split into offshoots. ~ A H 1( T C U) 23:15, 12 February 2011 (UTC)
Should the format for the time line be changed from "25 January" to "January 25"? It looks a lot neater on the contents table. -- Mabduhu ( talk) 01:12, 13 February 2011 (UTC)
If someone find the correct place for this table ! let's include it and complete it. :)
Demands [1] | Status | Date |
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1. The resignation of president Mohammed Hosni Mubarak | Satisfied | |
2. Cancelling the Emergency Law | ||
3. Dismantling the state secret service | ||
4. An announcement by (Vice-President) Omar Suleiman that he will not run in the next presidential elections | ||
5. Dissolving the Parliament and Shura Council | ? | |
6. Releasing all the prisoners since January 25 | ||
7. Ending the curfew so that life resumes as normal across the country | ||
8. Dismantling the university guards system | ||
9. Referring officials responsible for the use of violences against the peaceful protesters since January 25 and those responsible for the organised thuggery which followed January 28 to an investigation committee | ||
10. Sacking Anas el-Fiqqi and stopping the attack on protesters in government owned media through threats and calling protesters traitors, and ending the spread of hate against foreigners in the streets | ||
11. Reimbursing shop owners for their losses during the curfew | ||
12. Announcing the demands above on government television and radio |
See also : "People's Communique No 1", Yug (talk) 16:57, 13 February 2011 (UTC)
The different concepts thrown around on in the debate needs to be clarified. For thirty years there has been a State of Emergency enforced. That is a civilian circumstance found in legal sources such as a constitution and in enactments of law from a parliament or president, the key is that its sources lays within Civil Law. This is in contrast to the concept of Martial Law whose source is military rule. In other words, for thirty years a civil State of Emergency has been in place. This is part of the formally civil system of governance which was replaced by Martial Law at the moment the State powers were transferred from the presidency to the military rulers. From a legal standpoint, the country has gone from a civil State of Emergency to a military state of Martial Law. This could be interpreted as a revolution if the military bends to the political will of the revolutionaries. If it bends to another political will it is simply a Coup de Etat and the revolution is high-jacked. The political wills in the country and how it steers the military policies determines the outcome. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.176.226.32 ( talk) 01:38, 14 February 2011 (UTC)
Yes, I agree with the contributors. We may call the State of Emergency many things, but it is most definitely not "martial law", as some cynical Western reporters have dubbed it. A better term would be "period of freedom" or "restructuring interval". Leader Tantawi (peace be upon him) has made this clear on multiple occasions. The Egyptian people are rejoicing. Mardiste ( talk) 23:25, 14 February 2011 (UTC)
A revolution certainly occurred in Egypt, but this article does not focus on that. Instead it focuses on the popular uprising, or revolt, that led to this revolution. The revolution was the ceding of power to the army, the suspension of the constitution and the dissolution of both houses of parliament (the Shura Council and the People's Assembly). I propose that this article be retitled 2011 Egyptian uprising or 2011 Egyptian revolt and another article be created about the actual revolution. Both of these topics should be covered in depth. But as it is we have a comprehensive article on the revolt but not much on the revolution. Also, the first paragraph is a mess. After the names, the first sentence reads is a social movement that began in Egypt on 25 January 2011, characterised by a series of street demonstrations, marches, rallies, acts of civil disobedience, riots, labour strikes, and violent clashes; the date was selected to coincide with the National Police Day. I suggest this be changed to, if this name is kept, The 2011 Egyptian Revolution took place following a popular uprising that began on 25 January. The revolt saw widespread protests against the regime of Hosni Mubarak throughout Egypt and was characterised by demonstrations, labour strikes, acts of civil disobedience and occasions of violent confrontations between protesters and security forces and later between dueling groups of protesters. On 11 Febrary, Mubarak resigned as President of Egypt, ceding his authority to the Supreme Council of the Armed Forces. No doubt this can be improved on, but it would be an improvement if we can get the first few sentences to follow the rules of the English language. nableezy - 20:53, 14 February 2011 (UTC)
Nobody has claimed responsibility for the explosion, and the Egyptian government said it was an accident. While there was some speculation in reliable sources about various possibilities, none of this speculation - to my knowledge - was later corroborated by any facts that would point in the respective direction. Reliable sources have not reported about any consequences the event may have had on the events related to the revolution. Im pasting the text here, in case it is of use in some other article. The Arish-Ashkelon pipeline is considered to be part of the Arab Gas Pipeline, therefore, the separate link is not necessary. Cs32en Talk to me
An explosion also occurred on the Arab Gas Pipeline in the Sinai at a gas pipeline to Israel and Jordan after saboteurs were believed to have responded to a call by Islamist groups to exploit the unrest. [1] the terrified residents told of a huge explosion and reported that flames were raging out of the bombed gas pipeline near El-Arish on Febuary 5th. [2] Supplies to Israel and Jordan [2] were expected to be cut for a week. [3] 40% of Israel's natural gas comes from Egypt via the Arish-Ashkelon gas pipeline because a deal built on their landmark 1979 peace accord. [1]
- ^ a b Perry, Tom (2011-02-05). "Egypt gas pipeline attacked; Israel, Jordan flow hit". Vancouversun.com. Retrieved 2011-02-12.
- ^ a b Perry, Tom (2011-02-05). "Egypt gas pipeline attacked; Israel, Jordan flow hit". Vancouversun.com. Retrieved 2011-02-12.
- ^ "UPDATE 1-Jordan gas supplies to be halted a week after blast". Reuters. 2009-02-09. Retrieved 2011-02-05.
The internet has played a very big role in the revolution in Egypt and Tunisia, and it is playing a big roles in Yemen, Algeria, Iran etc. It deserves a special section and article for its huge role.
Here is the Wikipedia article on Human impact of Internet use. The article has a special section on internet and political revolutions http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_impact_of_Internet_use#Internet_and_political_revolutions
You can talk more about how the internet impacted Egypt their. also, I think that this article on the Egypt revolution should have a special secton on the internet. -- Jo ( talk) 19:42, 13 February 2011 (UTC)
The hacking of the Tunisian and Egyptian goverment sites is well worth noteing.-- Wipsenade ( talk) 20:33, 13 February 2011 (UTC)
Especially at the "February 10" Section, the Number of 3 Million Protestors at Tahrir Square is ridiculous.
First of all, has anyone looked at the source? The number appears when the article or rather blog quotes a a protestor's comment. This is by no means an independent number an even if we would go with it, a protestor a the ground amidst thousands of people surrounding him has no means of fairly judging the number of protestors on the whole tahrir square.
Second. has anyone actually looked what that would mean if 3 Million people where at the square? Let's go though some rough numbers. Let's say the Tahrir square with its adjacent streets has a very generous 250m x 250m, that would equal an area of 62500m2. Now if there actually where 3 Million people in that area each person could occupy an area of no more but 208cm2 which equals an area of less than 15cm by 15cm.
This is not only impossible from a mathematical point of view but even if the whole square was packed to its theoretical mathematical maximum, people would not survive this for very long also because of the very probable mass panic and a stampede as seen some months ago in germany at the love parade (btw.the people/area there where far from what here is claimed) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.58.148.172 ( talk) 22:09, 14 February 2011 (UTC)
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I suggest we start splitting the article now that the protests stopped and Mubarak resigned.-- Diaa abdelmoneim ( talk) 11:11, 12 February 2011 (UTC)
I would support the split if a rather large summary remains in this article. Another possibility would be to create several sub-articles for the main events in the timeline. Cs32en Talk to me 02:35, 13 February 2011 (UTC)
Conditional Support: A concise summary of the timeline with every important details can be mentioned in the main article. Probably the 18 days may be divided into heads say Day 1-7, Day 8-14, Day 15-18. And the detailed rest can be split 117.211.83.26 ( talk) 04:48, 13 February 2011 (UTC)
Support. Time to move it. I suggest we start by moving all except the last 2 days so that people arriving here can still have a section to put stuff. We can just match up the pages manually for a few days until the summary makes it clear that small details belong at the timeline. Ocaasi ( talk) 19:41, 13 February 2011 (UTC)
Conditional Support: I think split it between pre- & post- resignation. Right now, people continue to demonstrate and will demonstrate every Friday till elections are held. Hence, I don't really see how it "ended" per se. Z3bolla ( talk) 23:42, 13 February 2011 (UTC)
Support: It's the main focus of the article, which shouldn't really be the focus point. An actual "article" does not document the day-by-day occurences of an event. Splitting it off would be the best way, in my opinion. Sellyme Talk 00:31, 16 February 2011 (UTC)
Oppose: It is like talking about something that we have no information about. Please reintroduce the timeline, or even a summary. The article currently is very bland, I know that 200 kb is too much, but 70 kb is also irrelevant to t he size of the event. Thank you — Preceding
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Not a exactly a bullet-point timeline, but a summary of the protests as they happened is desperately needed in the article now. -- Sherif9282 ( talk) 13:14, 16 February 2011 (UTC)
With all due respect, is this article a joke? It's about a couple weeks of street protests, whereas the French Revolution was a far more significant event which lasted ten years. REMEMBER: Wikipedia is not a newspaper. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.29.40.2 ( talk) 23:42, 15 February 2011 (UTC)
With all due respect, I find the Egyptian revolution to be FAR more significant than the French revolution as it affects the World. As wee see today the revolutionary spirit is spreading throughout many countries. The French revolution just affects France or Europe at most. So don't make your opinions sound as facts.
The article is now a desert for photos. We need to bring back some from the timeline article, place them throughout the text and maybe create a specially dedicated "Gallery" section. I can still contribute more photos, although they'll all be from Cairo. -- Sherif9282 ( talk) 19:24, 17 February 2011 (UTC)
Would it be okay with folks if we renamed the "Background" heading to "Grievances" since that's what we're talking about there? I'd also like to move some of the details from the lead into this section. -- Aude ( talk) 01:59, 18 February 2011 (UTC)
It seems like there will be an attempt to end the Gaza Strip blockade, here are some sources:
Also, Google search returns many more. Some better sources should be found on this, so information can be added about this where appropriate. -- 93.139.183.181 ( talk) 01:19, 19 February 2011 (UTC)
The lead paragraph has improved in that it is now written in English, but there are several problems with it. To begin with, "الثورة المصرية سنة ٢٠١١" is a made up name. You will not find that name anywhere besides the English Wikipedia. The common Arabic name, so far, is "ثورة 25 يناير" (Revolution of 25 Jan). Compare for instance this result for the currently listed name to this. Next, the sentence began in Egypt on 25 January 2011, with a series of street demonstrations, marches, rallies, acts of civil disobedience, riots, labour strikes, and violent clashes in Cairo, Alexandria, and throughout other cities in Egypt, is poorly worded. The sentence reads as though "street demonstrations, marches, rallies, acts of civil disobedience, riots, labour strikes, and violent clashes" took place on the 25th throughout Egypt. And what exactly is the difference between a "street demonstration" and a "rally"? I wrote something like this in an archived section, but I think this part should say took place following a popular uprising that began on 25 January, which featured .... The word "throughout" is either wrong and/or redundant and in any case unnecessary. I think the next sentence is a bit wordy and would just stick to one of the more common chants, that the "protesters demanded the fall of the regime of Hosni Mubarak". The corruption, repression, fraudulent "progress" towards democracy, that is all a part of that and can be enumerated either further down in the lead or in the body. Finally, the line Mubarak resigned from office as a result of determined popular protest and pressure. Really? I realize it has two citations, but here are a few that provide a different cause for his resignation. [7], [8], [9]. I think it would be best to rephrase this as Mubarak resigned from office following weeks of determined protests and pressure. And actually, I am not sure if he "resigned from office" or he "resigned the office" should be used. He, at least temporarily, abolished the office of President of Egypt, not sure if that qualifies as "resigning from". Take it or leave it, nableezy - 06:24, 22 February 2011 (UTC)
Any reason that Iran has its own, extensive summary here, in the Regional Instability section? If not, I suggest we consolidate/remove it into the general summary of the region's unrest. Ocaasi ( talk) 22:18, 23 February 2011 (UTC)