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Internet is back in Egypt.-- Diaa abdelmoneim ( talk) 09:50, 2 February 2011 (UTC)
The article is very good thus far, however, it is a little biased in that it does not convey the dramatic change of the government initiatives after the protests. The speech of the president included remarkable points that are not addressed in the article including the presidents call for the limiting of the terms of the president and the change of the requirements for the election of a president. He also accepted the legal charges against the parliament members which means a great amount of the parliament members will be changed. The prime minister also went on the TV twice yesterday to talk on talk shows to show that the government is willing to talk to the masses. The new government that was formed also does not include any business men which the previous government dominated. The article also doesn't mention the anonymous hacker group which attacked multiple government website which might be also a contributing reason why the internet was down so that these groups wouldn't have access to the government websites, threatening national security. I'll do my best to include this info and hope others do as well.-- Diaa abdelmoneim ( talk) 10:37, 2 February 2011 (UTC)
Corruption is dopey!-- 81.100.122.245 ( talk) 12:01, 2 February 2011 (UTC)
i removed "day of anger" because there are obviously multiple days as viewable on the timeline. I also removed the "lotus reolution" because, as per tunisia, we would need extraordinary sources to verify that. right now its only a western and again media sensationalist tag. the need to label everything. Lihaas ( talk) 11:04, 2 February 2011 (UTC)
Is it normal for an article this size for the lead to be five paragraphs long? - Knowledgekid87 ( talk) 17:50, 2 February 2011 (UTC)
Most of all, it's out of date to begin with. -- 94.246.150.68 ( talk) 22:33, 2 February 2011 (UTC)
It should be named the Civil war in Egypt.-- !!2011WorldProtests!! ( talk) 23:00, 2 February 2011 (UTC)
Seeing that the name of the article is changing and that it's going to be a problem in the future, we need to discuss it now -- The Egyptian Liberal ( talk) 16:24, 26 January 2011 (UTC)
I think calling these protests is reasonable. While this could evolve into a revolution, I feel the decision of whether or not this is a revolution will be better made in the coming months(weeks? days? hours? who knows?) as the whole situation heads towards some form of conclusion. Many thought that the Iranian Protests of 2009-2010 would lead to a revolution, here we sit over a year later and nothing changed. Let's be patient and watch. -- 71.41.220.147 ( talk) 20:53, 28 January 2011 (UTC)
Hosni Mubarak has dismissed the government because of the events. What is occurring has gone beyond mere protests. I wouldn't say that it is a revolution yet, but an uprising at least. Vis-a-visconti ( talk) 06:13, 29 January 2011 (UTC)
There must be sources supporting it. It seems like it. -- Athinker ( talk) 23:18, 29 January 2011 (UTC)
This is not a mere protest. Almost all sources title it TURMOIL. In my opinion it's a dictionary definition of a Revolution but I'm aware sources are afraid to say it. -- Athinker ( talk) 18:16, 31 January 2011 (UTC)
CNN seems rather fond of calling the events an Uprising. Personally I think this is a good middle ground between 'protest', which it is in my opinion evolved beyond, and 'revolution,' which implants a physical attempt to seize power. DavidSSabb ( talk) 03:47, 1 February 2011 (UTC)
Mubarak to ABC: I want to resign but I'm afraid of chaos -- The Egyptian Liberal ( talk) 19:45, 3 February 2011 (UTC)
The Egyptian Government Issues A Travel ban and Bank accounts freeze for many people. The list include Ahmed Ezz, Habib Ibrahim El Adly, Ahmed Alaa E-Din Amin El-Maghrabi and Ahmed Abdul Aziz -- The Egyptian Liberal ( talk) 14:26, 3 February 2011 (UTC)
Egypt magnate-cum-politician quits Mubarak party -- The Egyptian Liberal ( talk) 15:40, 29 January 2011 (UTC)
Ahmed Shafik the Minister for Civil Aviation is named as the new Prime Minister -- The Egyptian Liberal ( talk) 16:03, 29 January 2011 (UTC)
need mention of this (like tunisia), reports saying over 3,000 have been recaptured. (no doubt the looters)( Lihaas ( talk) 13:22, 30 January 2011 (UTC)).
Good afternoon. Possible shooting against unarmed prisoners. http://www.hrw.org/egypt-live-updates -- Youssef ( talk) 16:25, 31 January 2011 (UTC)
Perhaps it deserves a coverage. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-12328745 -- Youssef ( talk) 17:05, 31 January 2011 (UTC)
Al Jazeera journalists released, though not sure about equipment adn data.( Lihaas ( talk) 15:53, 31 January 2011 (UTC)).
+ need to find : Boutros boutros ghali and al qaeda (Arabian Peninsula and/or islamic maghreb)
URGENT: Tomorrow 9am march to the Heliopolis Palace. Lihaas ( talk) 18:23, 31 January 2011 (UTC)
Wafd party made a statement of opposition (id imagine against the new govt and not baradei)
AHMED ZEWAILsaid on Monday he would return on Tuesday to continue work in a committee for constitutional reform including Ayman Nour and prominent lawyers. Al-Shorouk newspaper published a “letter to the Egyptian people” in which he proposed a "council of wise men" to write a new constitution. -- The Egyptian Liberal ( talk) 01:09, 1 February 2011 (UTC)
A new article was just released by Reuters here. It discusses how the army has sided with the protesters, saying that they believe the protests are legitimate. It also discusses how the US has now demanded point blank that Mubarak must end the Emergency Law and hold free elections. Silver seren C 22:48, 31 January 2011 (UTC)
In the January 29th section we cover reports that some looting is linked to the Egyptian Regime or the police. There are currently three claims, one of which is not cited and seems difficult to confirm:
I'll post it here so others can try and track it down. If we can't, given the increasing reporting on this issue, I think we can remove it and/or replace it. Ocaasi ( talk) 08:21, 31 January 2011 (UTC)
See here. Silver seren C 16:37, 31 January 2011 (UTC)
Sources for this claim are this are all Arabic. Need English sources, possibly alternative estimates. -- 94.246.150.68 ( talk) 14:22, 2 February 2011 (UTC)
Discuss here how to cover the issue, and look at the Internet articles how they do this (instead of just watching TV). -- 94.246.150.68 ( talk) 15:01, 2 February 2011 (UTC)
There's already a sentence or so in the article at the end of February 2nd, but it should probably be expanded. See this article released by Al Jazeera. Over 100 people are injured from this, with this report saying more than 500. The accusations of Mubarak paying off and sending in these "thugs" should probably be in the article. Silver seren C 16:06, 2 February 2011 (UTC)
Anderson Cooper and his TV crew are punched and beaten in Tahrir Square, according to Entertainment Weekly. Silver seren C 16:10, 2 February 2011 (UTC)
Anderson Cooper describes more about what happened here. It seems that the pro-Mubarak group purposefully went after him. Silver seren C 20:17, 2 February 2011 (UTC)
Al jazeera is reporting that the "pro Mubarak" people clashing with the anti mubarak demonstrators right now are police/security forces in plain clothes. -- Supreme Deliciousness ( talk) 13:49, 2 February 2011 (UTC)
BBC reporter says pro-Mubarak protestors are being paid £5-10 to counter-demonstrate by the ruling party. One was also offered half a chicken! [6] Chesdovi ( talk) 13:58, 2 February 2011 (UTC)
They came on camels and horses. Police IDs have been found on them. --
Supreme Deliciousness (
talk) 14:03, 2 February 2011 (UTC)
Pro-Mubarak have hit the Egyptian museum with a molotov cocktail while trying to hit the pro-Democracy protesters. The army is trying to put the fire out -- The Egyptian Liberal ( talk) 16:10, 2 February 2011 (UTC)
According to this article, this morning, the Egyptian government announced that it will not be working toward an immediate political transition, regardless of what other countries want. Silver seren C 17:03, 2 February 2011 (UTC)
New Los Angeles Times article here. Silver seren C 20:04, 2 February 2011 (UTC)
Archived. Wipsenade ( talk) 20:25, 5 February 2011 (UTC)
2011 Egyptian protests → 2011 Egyptian uprising — [9] [10] [11] [12] [13] [14] Cs32en Talk to me 05:48, 2 February 2011 (UTC)
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Is there another source that suggests Hamas involvement? The source given for this claim is two articles on a right wing Israeli website whose authors boast of having an 80% accuracy level in their statements. Once of the articles cited does not even assert Hamas is involved and I was unable to find any credible collaboration of this claim, though other articles in the mainstream Israeli press (Ha'aretz) indicated Hamas is consciously avoiding involvement.-- 152.23.238.39 ( talk) 04:47, 3 February 2011 (UTC)
Protesters were also reported picking up trash in Tahrir Square, as essential services were not working and they wanted to "keep our country clean." (this was sourced to 'TV', but I know there are print sources out there). Ocaasi ( talk) 09:01, 31 January 2011 (UTC)
An opposition leader{Who|date=January 2011} said that talks would not be held with Mubarak but only with the army. (sourced to 'TV') Ocaasi ( talk) 09:01, 31 January 2011 (UTC)
Funerals for the dead on the "Friday of Anger" were held on 30 January. Ocaasi ( talk) 09:05, 31 January 2011 (UTC)
The Muslim Brotherhood, along with other {which?} Egyptian political movements, support ElBaradei and have given him a mandate to negotiate a unity government. Ocaasi ( talk) 09:08, 31 January 2011 (UTC)
The Muslim Brotherhood supports Mohammed El-Baradei's National Association for Change. (we have the ref for this in the Jan 30th section, but need to copy it to the Domestic Responses section; Here's the ref--it's currently #116 ^ Coker, Margaret. "Egypt's Muslim Brotherhood Backs ElBaradei Role". The Wall Street Journal. http://online.wsj.com/articleSB10001424052748704832704576114132934597622.html) Ocaasi ( talk) 09:22, 31 January 2011 (UTC)
FYI -- they announced that anything of theirs related to this is automatically CC valid for any use. Can't find the link now. So any screen caps are fair game. Merrill Stubing ( talk) 14:28, 1 February 2011 (UTC)
How can you say it's not, for example, members of a vigilante group attacking a looter, or escaped criminals wreaking havoc? Or whatever else going on, filmed from a house window far away? http://cc.aljazeera.net/asset/language/english/footage-and-commentary-protests-egypt says nothing about any "Police in civilian cloth[ing]" in the text description nor in the video. Can't we really stick to the facts? -- 94.246.150.68 ( talk) 12:35, 1 February 2011 (UTC)
Btw vigilantes vs looters, we should write more about them: [15] [16] [17] [18] and so on. And yes, this is much more important here than some silly cartoons in Brazil. And the vigilantes have the official military support now against the looters. [19] As its a largely/totally separate issue (side-effect) to the political protests, [20] we should write about it in a separate section (like "Breakdown of law and order and the vigilante response" or something). -- 94.246.150.68 ( talk) 12:43, 1 February 2011 (UTC)
Also just as we should work so the looters (apolitical thugs) should not be mis-associated with protesters, stuff like Allegations are spreading that some plain-clothes looters [sic] are associated with the regime's Central Security Forces is unacceptable too, some retarded conspiracy theories helping to make Wikipedia a laughing stock it is, instead of being a reliable source. People are not blaming police for being "plain-clothes looters", but just for surrendering the streets to criminals after killing so many protesters in defense of the dictatorship. -- 94.246.150.68 ( talk) 13:09, 1 February 2011 (UTC) I'll leave you with this for now, try to rewrite the article to address this issue properly. -- 94.246.150.68 ( talk) 13:13, 1 February 2011 (UTC)
Hmm. seems to have been removed. Someone can insert the one on the link ive cited. Temperamental1 ( talk) 14:01, 1 February 2011 (UTC)
There's an unsourced image on plain-clothes police arresting a protestor on the article. There's one here [21] which it can be replaced with. Im new so I dont know yet how to do it myself. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Temperamental1 ( talk • contribs) 13:56, 1 February 2011 (UTC)
I feel uncomfortable using this photo. It doesn't seem to add anything to the article that isn't already captured by the text discussing the deaths. There isn't anything specific about this protester or how he died that can be seen. In other words, the content value of this image is low. By contrast, respect for the victim and his surviving family would argue against using it. How would you feel if your husband or father's body was pictured on Wikipedia forever? (The body is covered, but the family might still know who it was, when, and where.) Given that we don't seem to have much of an editorial motivation in this case, I'd suggest human dignity should win out. Dragons flight ( talk) 22:12, 2 February 2011 (UTC)
Is this encyclopedia, or a gallery website for a fan of such freedom-lovers as Saddam Hussein, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad and the Hamas movement? -- 94.246.150.68 ( talk) 10:36, 1 February 2011 (UTC)
Tje only palce for such a discussion is ont he talk page here alright, so I'll also say the photo of a cartoon is not at all properly illustrating the historical background section discussing the Emergency Law issue (which should be some archival photo for example). -- 94.246.150.68 ( talk) 11:15, 1 February 2011 (UTC)
Although Latuff's work here is quite topical (and OTRS-appropriate), I note that he is a Brazilian editorial cartoonist. Furthermore, shoeing in and of itself is a grave insult in the Arab world, so I'm not sure if the specific President George W. Bush allusion in the caption is appropriate. This may be a problem of duelling contexts, however.
Secondly, what citations, if any, do we need for English translations of the protest signage and graffiti? kencf0618 ( talk) 05:28, 31 January 2011 (UTC)
I wish Wikipedia wasn't censored, but the track record on these demonstrations is that censorship is absolutely our Number 1 priority. For example, the autopsy photo of File:Khalid-Saeed.jpg, which is critical to the understanding of whether Khaled Mohamed Saeed was beaten to death (a major factor leading to the protest), was deleted, strictly because Americans think that photos of dead people are disgusting. And even though the File:Day of Anger shoe sign.jpg, one of rather few photos we have from the actual protests, was clearly based on the Latuff cartoon File:Hosni Mubarak getting the boot.png, there are still some very active editors here who won't allow any mention of Latuff, because he once drew something that annoyed the pro-Israelis. Unfortunately, it doesn't look like the English Wikipedia is going to give anything but a stripped-down version of events skewed toward whatever Westerners want to hear. And I don't even know what truths we'll be missing. The days of dreamily believing in a Wikipedia under the Five Pillars are rapidly crashing to an end - together with its credibility.
Unless, that is, people throughout Wikipedia can join together and finally put the shoe to all the deletionist would-be dictators, in a mini, micro, nano version of what the noble Tunisians and Egyptians have been doing. Wnt ( talk) 00:54, 2 February 2011 (UTC)
I think it is of a topical nature and worth keeping some like:- File:Hosni Mubarak getting the boot.png and File:Day of Anger shoe sign.jpg. Wipsenade ( talk) 19:37, 2 February 2011 (UTC)
article has quickly crept back past 120 kilobytes creating accessiblity problems again.
surely the blow-by-blow diary in the "timeline" can be branched to a sub-article. it's moving to somewhat overweight the main article.-- 108.14.100.42 ( talk) 18:54, 1 February 2011 (UTC)
It is now 130k that is 10k in a day, these protests do not look like they will end anytime soon. - Knowledgekid87 ( talk) 20:56, 2 February 2011 (UTC)
[User: RPHKUSA] Maybe a split also for 'The Battle of Tahrir Square' as the back and forth and clashes between pro-Mubarak and anti-Mubarak is a main focus of the media. — Preceding unsigned comment added by RPHKUSA ( talk • contribs) 21:27, 2 February 2011 (UTC)
sorry to be a nudge, but regretably, splitting off "international responses" in last 24 hours only made a small dent in this main article's size. at this writing, the main article is still at 122+ kilobytes. as is known, this creates accessibility problems. two sections to suggest for branching:
Is anyone actually working on it? Only REALLY essential stuff should be left out here after this.
I'd get rid of (meaning: integrate elsewhere, then delete) the Deaths section too (which is right now not even covering just the deaths anyway), and also Domestic section here needs a cleanup too (in the style that its Foreign counterport got, I guess). -- 94.246.150.68 ( talk) 00:54, 3 February 2011 (UTC)
By removing it altogether you also destroyed a lot of repeated references! Also as I said, some kind of timeline has to be there, because right now there's only this really poor "Cities" thing. Also the intro is outdated already. -- 94.246.150.68 ( talk) 01:04, 3 February 2011 (UTC)
A non-existing Egyptian "northern city"? ( Mahallah) Someone needs to check the article for such wild claims. -- 94.246.150.68 ( talk) 08:47, 2 February 2011 (UTC)
Forced meme? Linked from the very 1st paragraph of intro to this article, but it has only 1 source and is veeeeeery badly written. ( Wikipedia:Notability (people)) Oh, and the 2-week old video on her YT channel ("queenofRomance83", lol) has only 8,755 views, which is pretty bad for a viral that has supposedly sparked a revolution, so I guess it's another case of self-promotion in progress. -- 94.246.150.68 ( talk) 13:46, 2 February 2011 (UTC)
Also I'd like to remind you that even for example the chief of staff of the Army has no article, and I say the guy was much more notable even before the last week. -- 94.246.150.68 ( talk) 14:48, 2 February 2011 (UTC)
Glad I helped -- The Egyptian Liberal ( talk) 06:05, 3 February 2011 (UTC)
Sourced by a bunch of links in Arabic + a laughable conspiracy website. Come on. In reality, it was "1 million" [22] / "around 1 million" [23] / "at least 1 million" [24] / "more than 1 million", [25] [26] in short: estimated ~1 million or more across Egypt. One source said 2 million [27] which is a lot less than "around 8 million" anyway. -- 94.246.150.68 ( talk) 21:31, 2 February 2011 (UTC)
Someone reinstated it again. And the untrue table list of nearly 400 "confirmed" deaths, too. Geez. -- 94.246.150.68 ( talk) 22:36, 2 February 2011 (UTC) -- 94.246.150.68 ( talk) 22:36, 2 February 2011 (UTC) And the strange poster was back too. WTF? -- 94.246.150.68 ( talk) 22:51, 2 February 2011 (UTC)
one of the first five cities that toke place in the protests (Cairo , Alexandria , Suez, El-Mahalla El-Kubra, Mansoura ) thousands of people protested in 25 January and in the march of the millions the number reached 100thousand
Can you, uh, go and edit the your-language (Arabic?) Wikipedia, instead? English is not my first language, too, but seriously, come on. Copy edit is needed again.
Also, how about we move the whole Deaths section to the bottom? -- 94.246.150.68 ( talk) 22:44, 2 February 2011 (UTC)
"Only I" say the speculations are just speculations? Let me quote myself:
It is still claiming "Confirmed death toll" is 280, which is just not true. There is no updated confirmed figure, unofficial estimates are between over 100 by Reuters [28] and as high as 300 as cited by the UN's Pillay (it was HRW's estimate actually, and only about half of that verfified by them), [29] but it's all very vague and totally uncertain (There was no official figure, and the real figure may be very different, given the confusion on the streets Reuters wrote, unconfirmed reports suggesting Pillay said). There's also problem with how many deaths are actually directly connected to the protests since the looting started, or is a bloody jailbreak a "protest" too? -- 94.246.150.68 ( talk) 11:50, 2 February 2011 (UTC)
Unconfirmed speculations are unconfirmed speculations. Maybe try and actually read the sources. They say it very clear, as cited by me above in italics. -- 94.246.150.68 ( talk) 23:33, 2 February 2011 (UTC)
So, the Deaths section may actually go altogether. Some of this is important and need to be integrated elsewhere. Like the death of the Azeri should go into the Timeline section and the Foreign reactions article (btw, the poeple who set themsleves on fire mostly survived this, why are they all in "Deaths"?). Other stuff, it's just sensationalist speculations. -- 94.246.150.68 ( talk) 23:46, 2 February 2011 (UTC)
And at least stop pushing-back the FALSE table list. -- 94.246.150.68 ( talk) 00:26, 3 February 2011 (UTC)
Even if they use broken English, Arabs should be welcomed on this page. Egyptians would be a logical sorce of information on Egypt!-- Wipsenade ( talk) 10:01, 3 February 2011 (UTC)
Serious mention is made now in news organizations (CNN, etc) that, by what's been happening on February 2, it looks like it's turning into a sort of "civil war"; as for some reason PRO-Mubarak people (the segment that exists) have been attacking the anti-Mubarak crowd...like with Molotov cocktails, fire, and riding in horses and camels with swords, and throwing stones and things...as everyone by now knows (and is mentioned in the article.) So far, a few dead on 2 February, with hundreds injured...many seriously injured. And also, CNN reporter Anderson Cooper and his crew (and it's on video) were dramatically attacked by mostly pro-Mubarak people. Anyway, is this thing really turning into a "civil war" or at least a "civil strife" situation? Archiver of Records ( talk) 22:57, 2 February 2011 (UTC)
The riders had no swords, they had sticks and whips. Also the pro-M crowd/mob had no "automatic weapons", despite the wild rumours (people in hospitals also have no gunshot wounds at all). -- 94.246.150.68 ( talk) 23:28, 2 February 2011 (UTC)
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Internet is back in Egypt.-- Diaa abdelmoneim ( talk) 09:50, 2 February 2011 (UTC)
The article is very good thus far, however, it is a little biased in that it does not convey the dramatic change of the government initiatives after the protests. The speech of the president included remarkable points that are not addressed in the article including the presidents call for the limiting of the terms of the president and the change of the requirements for the election of a president. He also accepted the legal charges against the parliament members which means a great amount of the parliament members will be changed. The prime minister also went on the TV twice yesterday to talk on talk shows to show that the government is willing to talk to the masses. The new government that was formed also does not include any business men which the previous government dominated. The article also doesn't mention the anonymous hacker group which attacked multiple government website which might be also a contributing reason why the internet was down so that these groups wouldn't have access to the government websites, threatening national security. I'll do my best to include this info and hope others do as well.-- Diaa abdelmoneim ( talk) 10:37, 2 February 2011 (UTC)
Corruption is dopey!-- 81.100.122.245 ( talk) 12:01, 2 February 2011 (UTC)
i removed "day of anger" because there are obviously multiple days as viewable on the timeline. I also removed the "lotus reolution" because, as per tunisia, we would need extraordinary sources to verify that. right now its only a western and again media sensationalist tag. the need to label everything. Lihaas ( talk) 11:04, 2 February 2011 (UTC)
Is it normal for an article this size for the lead to be five paragraphs long? - Knowledgekid87 ( talk) 17:50, 2 February 2011 (UTC)
Most of all, it's out of date to begin with. -- 94.246.150.68 ( talk) 22:33, 2 February 2011 (UTC)
It should be named the Civil war in Egypt.-- !!2011WorldProtests!! ( talk) 23:00, 2 February 2011 (UTC)
Seeing that the name of the article is changing and that it's going to be a problem in the future, we need to discuss it now -- The Egyptian Liberal ( talk) 16:24, 26 January 2011 (UTC)
I think calling these protests is reasonable. While this could evolve into a revolution, I feel the decision of whether or not this is a revolution will be better made in the coming months(weeks? days? hours? who knows?) as the whole situation heads towards some form of conclusion. Many thought that the Iranian Protests of 2009-2010 would lead to a revolution, here we sit over a year later and nothing changed. Let's be patient and watch. -- 71.41.220.147 ( talk) 20:53, 28 January 2011 (UTC)
Hosni Mubarak has dismissed the government because of the events. What is occurring has gone beyond mere protests. I wouldn't say that it is a revolution yet, but an uprising at least. Vis-a-visconti ( talk) 06:13, 29 January 2011 (UTC)
There must be sources supporting it. It seems like it. -- Athinker ( talk) 23:18, 29 January 2011 (UTC)
This is not a mere protest. Almost all sources title it TURMOIL. In my opinion it's a dictionary definition of a Revolution but I'm aware sources are afraid to say it. -- Athinker ( talk) 18:16, 31 January 2011 (UTC)
CNN seems rather fond of calling the events an Uprising. Personally I think this is a good middle ground between 'protest', which it is in my opinion evolved beyond, and 'revolution,' which implants a physical attempt to seize power. DavidSSabb ( talk) 03:47, 1 February 2011 (UTC)
Mubarak to ABC: I want to resign but I'm afraid of chaos -- The Egyptian Liberal ( talk) 19:45, 3 February 2011 (UTC)
The Egyptian Government Issues A Travel ban and Bank accounts freeze for many people. The list include Ahmed Ezz, Habib Ibrahim El Adly, Ahmed Alaa E-Din Amin El-Maghrabi and Ahmed Abdul Aziz -- The Egyptian Liberal ( talk) 14:26, 3 February 2011 (UTC)
Egypt magnate-cum-politician quits Mubarak party -- The Egyptian Liberal ( talk) 15:40, 29 January 2011 (UTC)
Ahmed Shafik the Minister for Civil Aviation is named as the new Prime Minister -- The Egyptian Liberal ( talk) 16:03, 29 January 2011 (UTC)
need mention of this (like tunisia), reports saying over 3,000 have been recaptured. (no doubt the looters)( Lihaas ( talk) 13:22, 30 January 2011 (UTC)).
Good afternoon. Possible shooting against unarmed prisoners. http://www.hrw.org/egypt-live-updates -- Youssef ( talk) 16:25, 31 January 2011 (UTC)
Perhaps it deserves a coverage. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-12328745 -- Youssef ( talk) 17:05, 31 January 2011 (UTC)
Al Jazeera journalists released, though not sure about equipment adn data.( Lihaas ( talk) 15:53, 31 January 2011 (UTC)).
+ need to find : Boutros boutros ghali and al qaeda (Arabian Peninsula and/or islamic maghreb)
URGENT: Tomorrow 9am march to the Heliopolis Palace. Lihaas ( talk) 18:23, 31 January 2011 (UTC)
Wafd party made a statement of opposition (id imagine against the new govt and not baradei)
AHMED ZEWAILsaid on Monday he would return on Tuesday to continue work in a committee for constitutional reform including Ayman Nour and prominent lawyers. Al-Shorouk newspaper published a “letter to the Egyptian people” in which he proposed a "council of wise men" to write a new constitution. -- The Egyptian Liberal ( talk) 01:09, 1 February 2011 (UTC)
A new article was just released by Reuters here. It discusses how the army has sided with the protesters, saying that they believe the protests are legitimate. It also discusses how the US has now demanded point blank that Mubarak must end the Emergency Law and hold free elections. Silver seren C 22:48, 31 January 2011 (UTC)
In the January 29th section we cover reports that some looting is linked to the Egyptian Regime or the police. There are currently three claims, one of which is not cited and seems difficult to confirm:
I'll post it here so others can try and track it down. If we can't, given the increasing reporting on this issue, I think we can remove it and/or replace it. Ocaasi ( talk) 08:21, 31 January 2011 (UTC)
See here. Silver seren C 16:37, 31 January 2011 (UTC)
Sources for this claim are this are all Arabic. Need English sources, possibly alternative estimates. -- 94.246.150.68 ( talk) 14:22, 2 February 2011 (UTC)
Discuss here how to cover the issue, and look at the Internet articles how they do this (instead of just watching TV). -- 94.246.150.68 ( talk) 15:01, 2 February 2011 (UTC)
There's already a sentence or so in the article at the end of February 2nd, but it should probably be expanded. See this article released by Al Jazeera. Over 100 people are injured from this, with this report saying more than 500. The accusations of Mubarak paying off and sending in these "thugs" should probably be in the article. Silver seren C 16:06, 2 February 2011 (UTC)
Anderson Cooper and his TV crew are punched and beaten in Tahrir Square, according to Entertainment Weekly. Silver seren C 16:10, 2 February 2011 (UTC)
Anderson Cooper describes more about what happened here. It seems that the pro-Mubarak group purposefully went after him. Silver seren C 20:17, 2 February 2011 (UTC)
Al jazeera is reporting that the "pro Mubarak" people clashing with the anti mubarak demonstrators right now are police/security forces in plain clothes. -- Supreme Deliciousness ( talk) 13:49, 2 February 2011 (UTC)
BBC reporter says pro-Mubarak protestors are being paid £5-10 to counter-demonstrate by the ruling party. One was also offered half a chicken! [6] Chesdovi ( talk) 13:58, 2 February 2011 (UTC)
They came on camels and horses. Police IDs have been found on them. --
Supreme Deliciousness (
talk) 14:03, 2 February 2011 (UTC)
Pro-Mubarak have hit the Egyptian museum with a molotov cocktail while trying to hit the pro-Democracy protesters. The army is trying to put the fire out -- The Egyptian Liberal ( talk) 16:10, 2 February 2011 (UTC)
According to this article, this morning, the Egyptian government announced that it will not be working toward an immediate political transition, regardless of what other countries want. Silver seren C 17:03, 2 February 2011 (UTC)
New Los Angeles Times article here. Silver seren C 20:04, 2 February 2011 (UTC)
Archived. Wipsenade ( talk) 20:25, 5 February 2011 (UTC)
2011 Egyptian protests → 2011 Egyptian uprising — [9] [10] [11] [12] [13] [14] Cs32en Talk to me 05:48, 2 February 2011 (UTC)
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Use this section to post requests for sources, statements needing verification.
Is there another source that suggests Hamas involvement? The source given for this claim is two articles on a right wing Israeli website whose authors boast of having an 80% accuracy level in their statements. Once of the articles cited does not even assert Hamas is involved and I was unable to find any credible collaboration of this claim, though other articles in the mainstream Israeli press (Ha'aretz) indicated Hamas is consciously avoiding involvement.-- 152.23.238.39 ( talk) 04:47, 3 February 2011 (UTC)
Protesters were also reported picking up trash in Tahrir Square, as essential services were not working and they wanted to "keep our country clean." (this was sourced to 'TV', but I know there are print sources out there). Ocaasi ( talk) 09:01, 31 January 2011 (UTC)
An opposition leader{Who|date=January 2011} said that talks would not be held with Mubarak but only with the army. (sourced to 'TV') Ocaasi ( talk) 09:01, 31 January 2011 (UTC)
Funerals for the dead on the "Friday of Anger" were held on 30 January. Ocaasi ( talk) 09:05, 31 January 2011 (UTC)
The Muslim Brotherhood, along with other {which?} Egyptian political movements, support ElBaradei and have given him a mandate to negotiate a unity government. Ocaasi ( talk) 09:08, 31 January 2011 (UTC)
The Muslim Brotherhood supports Mohammed El-Baradei's National Association for Change. (we have the ref for this in the Jan 30th section, but need to copy it to the Domestic Responses section; Here's the ref--it's currently #116 ^ Coker, Margaret. "Egypt's Muslim Brotherhood Backs ElBaradei Role". The Wall Street Journal. http://online.wsj.com/articleSB10001424052748704832704576114132934597622.html) Ocaasi ( talk) 09:22, 31 January 2011 (UTC)
FYI -- they announced that anything of theirs related to this is automatically CC valid for any use. Can't find the link now. So any screen caps are fair game. Merrill Stubing ( talk) 14:28, 1 February 2011 (UTC)
How can you say it's not, for example, members of a vigilante group attacking a looter, or escaped criminals wreaking havoc? Or whatever else going on, filmed from a house window far away? http://cc.aljazeera.net/asset/language/english/footage-and-commentary-protests-egypt says nothing about any "Police in civilian cloth[ing]" in the text description nor in the video. Can't we really stick to the facts? -- 94.246.150.68 ( talk) 12:35, 1 February 2011 (UTC)
Btw vigilantes vs looters, we should write more about them: [15] [16] [17] [18] and so on. And yes, this is much more important here than some silly cartoons in Brazil. And the vigilantes have the official military support now against the looters. [19] As its a largely/totally separate issue (side-effect) to the political protests, [20] we should write about it in a separate section (like "Breakdown of law and order and the vigilante response" or something). -- 94.246.150.68 ( talk) 12:43, 1 February 2011 (UTC)
Also just as we should work so the looters (apolitical thugs) should not be mis-associated with protesters, stuff like Allegations are spreading that some plain-clothes looters [sic] are associated with the regime's Central Security Forces is unacceptable too, some retarded conspiracy theories helping to make Wikipedia a laughing stock it is, instead of being a reliable source. People are not blaming police for being "plain-clothes looters", but just for surrendering the streets to criminals after killing so many protesters in defense of the dictatorship. -- 94.246.150.68 ( talk) 13:09, 1 February 2011 (UTC) I'll leave you with this for now, try to rewrite the article to address this issue properly. -- 94.246.150.68 ( talk) 13:13, 1 February 2011 (UTC)
Hmm. seems to have been removed. Someone can insert the one on the link ive cited. Temperamental1 ( talk) 14:01, 1 February 2011 (UTC)
There's an unsourced image on plain-clothes police arresting a protestor on the article. There's one here [21] which it can be replaced with. Im new so I dont know yet how to do it myself. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Temperamental1 ( talk • contribs) 13:56, 1 February 2011 (UTC)
I feel uncomfortable using this photo. It doesn't seem to add anything to the article that isn't already captured by the text discussing the deaths. There isn't anything specific about this protester or how he died that can be seen. In other words, the content value of this image is low. By contrast, respect for the victim and his surviving family would argue against using it. How would you feel if your husband or father's body was pictured on Wikipedia forever? (The body is covered, but the family might still know who it was, when, and where.) Given that we don't seem to have much of an editorial motivation in this case, I'd suggest human dignity should win out. Dragons flight ( talk) 22:12, 2 February 2011 (UTC)
Is this encyclopedia, or a gallery website for a fan of such freedom-lovers as Saddam Hussein, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad and the Hamas movement? -- 94.246.150.68 ( talk) 10:36, 1 February 2011 (UTC)
Tje only palce for such a discussion is ont he talk page here alright, so I'll also say the photo of a cartoon is not at all properly illustrating the historical background section discussing the Emergency Law issue (which should be some archival photo for example). -- 94.246.150.68 ( talk) 11:15, 1 February 2011 (UTC)
Although Latuff's work here is quite topical (and OTRS-appropriate), I note that he is a Brazilian editorial cartoonist. Furthermore, shoeing in and of itself is a grave insult in the Arab world, so I'm not sure if the specific President George W. Bush allusion in the caption is appropriate. This may be a problem of duelling contexts, however.
Secondly, what citations, if any, do we need for English translations of the protest signage and graffiti? kencf0618 ( talk) 05:28, 31 January 2011 (UTC)
I wish Wikipedia wasn't censored, but the track record on these demonstrations is that censorship is absolutely our Number 1 priority. For example, the autopsy photo of File:Khalid-Saeed.jpg, which is critical to the understanding of whether Khaled Mohamed Saeed was beaten to death (a major factor leading to the protest), was deleted, strictly because Americans think that photos of dead people are disgusting. And even though the File:Day of Anger shoe sign.jpg, one of rather few photos we have from the actual protests, was clearly based on the Latuff cartoon File:Hosni Mubarak getting the boot.png, there are still some very active editors here who won't allow any mention of Latuff, because he once drew something that annoyed the pro-Israelis. Unfortunately, it doesn't look like the English Wikipedia is going to give anything but a stripped-down version of events skewed toward whatever Westerners want to hear. And I don't even know what truths we'll be missing. The days of dreamily believing in a Wikipedia under the Five Pillars are rapidly crashing to an end - together with its credibility.
Unless, that is, people throughout Wikipedia can join together and finally put the shoe to all the deletionist would-be dictators, in a mini, micro, nano version of what the noble Tunisians and Egyptians have been doing. Wnt ( talk) 00:54, 2 February 2011 (UTC)
I think it is of a topical nature and worth keeping some like:- File:Hosni Mubarak getting the boot.png and File:Day of Anger shoe sign.jpg. Wipsenade ( talk) 19:37, 2 February 2011 (UTC)
article has quickly crept back past 120 kilobytes creating accessiblity problems again.
surely the blow-by-blow diary in the "timeline" can be branched to a sub-article. it's moving to somewhat overweight the main article.-- 108.14.100.42 ( talk) 18:54, 1 February 2011 (UTC)
It is now 130k that is 10k in a day, these protests do not look like they will end anytime soon. - Knowledgekid87 ( talk) 20:56, 2 February 2011 (UTC)
[User: RPHKUSA] Maybe a split also for 'The Battle of Tahrir Square' as the back and forth and clashes between pro-Mubarak and anti-Mubarak is a main focus of the media. — Preceding unsigned comment added by RPHKUSA ( talk • contribs) 21:27, 2 February 2011 (UTC)
sorry to be a nudge, but regretably, splitting off "international responses" in last 24 hours only made a small dent in this main article's size. at this writing, the main article is still at 122+ kilobytes. as is known, this creates accessibility problems. two sections to suggest for branching:
Is anyone actually working on it? Only REALLY essential stuff should be left out here after this.
I'd get rid of (meaning: integrate elsewhere, then delete) the Deaths section too (which is right now not even covering just the deaths anyway), and also Domestic section here needs a cleanup too (in the style that its Foreign counterport got, I guess). -- 94.246.150.68 ( talk) 00:54, 3 February 2011 (UTC)
By removing it altogether you also destroyed a lot of repeated references! Also as I said, some kind of timeline has to be there, because right now there's only this really poor "Cities" thing. Also the intro is outdated already. -- 94.246.150.68 ( talk) 01:04, 3 February 2011 (UTC)
A non-existing Egyptian "northern city"? ( Mahallah) Someone needs to check the article for such wild claims. -- 94.246.150.68 ( talk) 08:47, 2 February 2011 (UTC)
Forced meme? Linked from the very 1st paragraph of intro to this article, but it has only 1 source and is veeeeeery badly written. ( Wikipedia:Notability (people)) Oh, and the 2-week old video on her YT channel ("queenofRomance83", lol) has only 8,755 views, which is pretty bad for a viral that has supposedly sparked a revolution, so I guess it's another case of self-promotion in progress. -- 94.246.150.68 ( talk) 13:46, 2 February 2011 (UTC)
Also I'd like to remind you that even for example the chief of staff of the Army has no article, and I say the guy was much more notable even before the last week. -- 94.246.150.68 ( talk) 14:48, 2 February 2011 (UTC)
Glad I helped -- The Egyptian Liberal ( talk) 06:05, 3 February 2011 (UTC)
Sourced by a bunch of links in Arabic + a laughable conspiracy website. Come on. In reality, it was "1 million" [22] / "around 1 million" [23] / "at least 1 million" [24] / "more than 1 million", [25] [26] in short: estimated ~1 million or more across Egypt. One source said 2 million [27] which is a lot less than "around 8 million" anyway. -- 94.246.150.68 ( talk) 21:31, 2 February 2011 (UTC)
Someone reinstated it again. And the untrue table list of nearly 400 "confirmed" deaths, too. Geez. -- 94.246.150.68 ( talk) 22:36, 2 February 2011 (UTC) -- 94.246.150.68 ( talk) 22:36, 2 February 2011 (UTC) And the strange poster was back too. WTF? -- 94.246.150.68 ( talk) 22:51, 2 February 2011 (UTC)
one of the first five cities that toke place in the protests (Cairo , Alexandria , Suez, El-Mahalla El-Kubra, Mansoura ) thousands of people protested in 25 January and in the march of the millions the number reached 100thousand
Can you, uh, go and edit the your-language (Arabic?) Wikipedia, instead? English is not my first language, too, but seriously, come on. Copy edit is needed again.
Also, how about we move the whole Deaths section to the bottom? -- 94.246.150.68 ( talk) 22:44, 2 February 2011 (UTC)
"Only I" say the speculations are just speculations? Let me quote myself:
It is still claiming "Confirmed death toll" is 280, which is just not true. There is no updated confirmed figure, unofficial estimates are between over 100 by Reuters [28] and as high as 300 as cited by the UN's Pillay (it was HRW's estimate actually, and only about half of that verfified by them), [29] but it's all very vague and totally uncertain (There was no official figure, and the real figure may be very different, given the confusion on the streets Reuters wrote, unconfirmed reports suggesting Pillay said). There's also problem with how many deaths are actually directly connected to the protests since the looting started, or is a bloody jailbreak a "protest" too? -- 94.246.150.68 ( talk) 11:50, 2 February 2011 (UTC)
Unconfirmed speculations are unconfirmed speculations. Maybe try and actually read the sources. They say it very clear, as cited by me above in italics. -- 94.246.150.68 ( talk) 23:33, 2 February 2011 (UTC)
So, the Deaths section may actually go altogether. Some of this is important and need to be integrated elsewhere. Like the death of the Azeri should go into the Timeline section and the Foreign reactions article (btw, the poeple who set themsleves on fire mostly survived this, why are they all in "Deaths"?). Other stuff, it's just sensationalist speculations. -- 94.246.150.68 ( talk) 23:46, 2 February 2011 (UTC)
And at least stop pushing-back the FALSE table list. -- 94.246.150.68 ( talk) 00:26, 3 February 2011 (UTC)
Even if they use broken English, Arabs should be welcomed on this page. Egyptians would be a logical sorce of information on Egypt!-- Wipsenade ( talk) 10:01, 3 February 2011 (UTC)
Serious mention is made now in news organizations (CNN, etc) that, by what's been happening on February 2, it looks like it's turning into a sort of "civil war"; as for some reason PRO-Mubarak people (the segment that exists) have been attacking the anti-Mubarak crowd...like with Molotov cocktails, fire, and riding in horses and camels with swords, and throwing stones and things...as everyone by now knows (and is mentioned in the article.) So far, a few dead on 2 February, with hundreds injured...many seriously injured. And also, CNN reporter Anderson Cooper and his crew (and it's on video) were dramatically attacked by mostly pro-Mubarak people. Anyway, is this thing really turning into a "civil war" or at least a "civil strife" situation? Archiver of Records ( talk) 22:57, 2 February 2011 (UTC)
The riders had no swords, they had sticks and whips. Also the pro-M crowd/mob had no "automatic weapons", despite the wild rumours (people in hospitals also have no gunshot wounds at all). -- 94.246.150.68 ( talk) 23:28, 2 February 2011 (UTC)