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Discussion closed. This has had several proposed names and the article has been moved. That makes closing the discussion difficult. So for now, leave the article where it is. Vegaswikian ( talk) 19:59, 29 August 2011 (UTC)
August 6, 2011 NATO helicopter crash → 2011 ISAF Boeing CH-47 Chinook crash – Relisted again Andrewa ( talk) 18:12, 22 August 2011 (UTC). Relisted. Vegaswikian ( talk) 18:10, 14 August 2011 (UTC) operation enduring freedom's intl forces are a part of ISAF, and if you want to get technical then its not ebven a NATPO chopper but an american one. further more this unilateral moving around violates MOSdates Lihaas ( talk) 11:21, 7 August 2011 (UTC)
This badly needs a new title.-- 93.137.101.250 ( talk) 13:08, 6 August 2011 (UTC)
( ←) The current title is excessively descriptive. Per the above articles listed, "2011 U.S. Chinook shootdown" is more than sufficient. Swarm u | t 21:16, 9 August 2011 (UTC)
Relisting again. The original proposal does not seem to have sufficient support above to move to it, but a move seems to have support. It's not clear what the new title should be, there are several suggestions. Do any of them have support? Andrewa ( talk) 18:12, 22 August 2011 (UTC)
Is it the largest US mil single loss of life since the Beirut barracks bombing?-- 93.137.145.142 ( talk) 08:49, 7 August 2011 (UTC)
i believe there was a non-hostile helicopter crash in Iraq in early '06 that killed 31. i do believe it is the single largest hostile loss of life for our military since Beirut though. User:24.45.235.158 2:25, 7 August 2011
There has been no indication that this helicopter was an aviation asset of the 160th SOAR. Muledigger ( talk) 11:49, 7 August 2011 (UTC)
I am confused. Why is this article up for deletion? Someone just reverted my deletion of the deletion tag. Theres also already a tag up about clarity and "confusion". -- pastasauce ( talk) 16:43, 7 August 2011 (UTC)
This news report has the names and hometowns of the US Navy Seals killed in this incident, but US military says they haven't released that information yet. I'm confused about this, can we mention their names and hometowns in this article?-- Mirwais Hotak ( talk) 18:00, 10 August 2011 (UTC)
Why is this article on the template for "Aviation accidents and incidents in 2011"? I was under the impression that deliberate downings of aircraft in time of war do not qualify (otherwise, the template for, say, 1944 wouldn't be big enough to include them all). Either there is a consistent policy for this - or there isn't. 139.48.25.60 ( talk) 21:18, 9 January 2012 (UTC)
Is it relevant to include that the letter from President Obama was signed with an electric pen? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.108.131.247 ( talk) 01:31, 7 November 2012 (UTC)
I am reverting the change about the supposed electric pen signing. I would appreciate it if it would discussed on the article talk page before any more reversions are done. The addition "believed by some to be" is more accurate. No one in the White House has stated that it was signed by a electric pen. The source cited is not even the primary article it is a condensation of a post from a highly partisan blog. The reliability of the source is highly questionable. As it stands now I question whether it is relevant and POV pushing. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.108.131.247 ( talk) 02:47, 7 November 2012 (UTC)
I am new at this so I was not sure how to proceed. OK, the source is questionable. The White House has never verified that it is true. The reference quoted provided no expert substantiation. The reference was merely a condensation of a partisan blog. The sentence provides nothing to the actual facts of the article and at best seems to be an attempt to put a partisan talking point in the article. I think the whole sentence and reference should be deleted. 71.108.130.234 ( talk) 18:22, 10 November 2012 (UTC)
Quote: "22 U.S. Navy personnel 15 of whom were from the Naval Special Warfare Development Group's (formerly known as SEAL Team Six) Gold Squadron." and thereafter quote: "Twenty of the Navy SEALs killed were members of the Naval Special Warfare Development Group (DEVGRU), an elite, Tier-One unit of commandos formerly known as SEAL Team Six." So ... 15 or 20 killed DEVGRU members? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.12.81.139 ( talk) 16:45, 20 January 2013 (UTC)
The other two SEALs who were killed were from Team 5 based out of Coronado.
While I have my doubts, I'd like to bring this up for inclusion, seems more like opinion reporting to me, but whatever. It especially is relevant if this is the cause of the investigation, as the article claims. http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/aug/9/kuhner-who-betrayed-navy-seal-team-6/ Sephiroth storm ( talk) 17:16, 24 August 2013 (UTC)
There are no Black boxes on CH47D model chinooks. I have been maintaining CH47D helicopters for more than 8 years and there is no such thing as a black box or any sort of data recorder on this helicopter. The CH47F has a voice recorder and some data recording functions but I am not an expert on the F model chinook. Please review that information on the bottom of this article.
SSG Gaughan. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 206.39.41.2 ( talk) 19:37, 13 August 2014 (UTC)
Maybe one of you can read RUN TO THE SOUND OF THE GUNS as that has an account of the most senior Ranger NCO on the ground at that time which helps dispel a lot of the wrong narrative in this article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2607:FEA8:620:5617:293F:3016:F148:E8B3 ( talk) 03:27, 25 October 2020 (UTC)
Shouldn't "prelude" be before all other categories? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jewnited ( talk • contribs) 20:45, 20 May 2015 (UTC)
There's a grave marked Extortion 17 at Arlington National Cemetery. Is this worth an explanation?-- Jim in Georgia Contribs Talk 01:23, 4 January 2017 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: moved as requested per the discussion below. Dekimasu よ! 18:15, 5 April 2018 (UTC)
2011 Chinook shootdown in Afghanistan →
2011 Afghanistan Boeing Chinook shootdown – This page's title sounds quite awkward. Wikipedia articles for non-numbered plane crashes typically follow the format "[Year] [Location or operator or both] [Aircraft name] crash" but this title sounds too casual. This has been mentioned before, but I am requesting a different title than what has been requested; that this page be moved to either
2011 Afghanistan Boeing Chinook shootdown or
2011 Afghanistan Boeing CH-47 shootdown.
DASL51984 (
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02:03, 30 March 2018 (UTC)
Taliban just released the name and a picture of the person who shot down the helicopter … 2600:1702:C00:22A0:1988:16EB:D0D8:56C1 ( talk) 03:05, 17 January 2023 (UTC)
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Discussion closed. This has had several proposed names and the article has been moved. That makes closing the discussion difficult. So for now, leave the article where it is. Vegaswikian ( talk) 19:59, 29 August 2011 (UTC)
August 6, 2011 NATO helicopter crash → 2011 ISAF Boeing CH-47 Chinook crash – Relisted again Andrewa ( talk) 18:12, 22 August 2011 (UTC). Relisted. Vegaswikian ( talk) 18:10, 14 August 2011 (UTC) operation enduring freedom's intl forces are a part of ISAF, and if you want to get technical then its not ebven a NATPO chopper but an american one. further more this unilateral moving around violates MOSdates Lihaas ( talk) 11:21, 7 August 2011 (UTC)
This badly needs a new title.-- 93.137.101.250 ( talk) 13:08, 6 August 2011 (UTC)
( ←) The current title is excessively descriptive. Per the above articles listed, "2011 U.S. Chinook shootdown" is more than sufficient. Swarm u | t 21:16, 9 August 2011 (UTC)
Relisting again. The original proposal does not seem to have sufficient support above to move to it, but a move seems to have support. It's not clear what the new title should be, there are several suggestions. Do any of them have support? Andrewa ( talk) 18:12, 22 August 2011 (UTC)
Is it the largest US mil single loss of life since the Beirut barracks bombing?-- 93.137.145.142 ( talk) 08:49, 7 August 2011 (UTC)
i believe there was a non-hostile helicopter crash in Iraq in early '06 that killed 31. i do believe it is the single largest hostile loss of life for our military since Beirut though. User:24.45.235.158 2:25, 7 August 2011
There has been no indication that this helicopter was an aviation asset of the 160th SOAR. Muledigger ( talk) 11:49, 7 August 2011 (UTC)
I am confused. Why is this article up for deletion? Someone just reverted my deletion of the deletion tag. Theres also already a tag up about clarity and "confusion". -- pastasauce ( talk) 16:43, 7 August 2011 (UTC)
This news report has the names and hometowns of the US Navy Seals killed in this incident, but US military says they haven't released that information yet. I'm confused about this, can we mention their names and hometowns in this article?-- Mirwais Hotak ( talk) 18:00, 10 August 2011 (UTC)
Why is this article on the template for "Aviation accidents and incidents in 2011"? I was under the impression that deliberate downings of aircraft in time of war do not qualify (otherwise, the template for, say, 1944 wouldn't be big enough to include them all). Either there is a consistent policy for this - or there isn't. 139.48.25.60 ( talk) 21:18, 9 January 2012 (UTC)
Is it relevant to include that the letter from President Obama was signed with an electric pen? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.108.131.247 ( talk) 01:31, 7 November 2012 (UTC)
I am reverting the change about the supposed electric pen signing. I would appreciate it if it would discussed on the article talk page before any more reversions are done. The addition "believed by some to be" is more accurate. No one in the White House has stated that it was signed by a electric pen. The source cited is not even the primary article it is a condensation of a post from a highly partisan blog. The reliability of the source is highly questionable. As it stands now I question whether it is relevant and POV pushing. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.108.131.247 ( talk) 02:47, 7 November 2012 (UTC)
I am new at this so I was not sure how to proceed. OK, the source is questionable. The White House has never verified that it is true. The reference quoted provided no expert substantiation. The reference was merely a condensation of a partisan blog. The sentence provides nothing to the actual facts of the article and at best seems to be an attempt to put a partisan talking point in the article. I think the whole sentence and reference should be deleted. 71.108.130.234 ( talk) 18:22, 10 November 2012 (UTC)
Quote: "22 U.S. Navy personnel 15 of whom were from the Naval Special Warfare Development Group's (formerly known as SEAL Team Six) Gold Squadron." and thereafter quote: "Twenty of the Navy SEALs killed were members of the Naval Special Warfare Development Group (DEVGRU), an elite, Tier-One unit of commandos formerly known as SEAL Team Six." So ... 15 or 20 killed DEVGRU members? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.12.81.139 ( talk) 16:45, 20 January 2013 (UTC)
The other two SEALs who were killed were from Team 5 based out of Coronado.
While I have my doubts, I'd like to bring this up for inclusion, seems more like opinion reporting to me, but whatever. It especially is relevant if this is the cause of the investigation, as the article claims. http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/aug/9/kuhner-who-betrayed-navy-seal-team-6/ Sephiroth storm ( talk) 17:16, 24 August 2013 (UTC)
There are no Black boxes on CH47D model chinooks. I have been maintaining CH47D helicopters for more than 8 years and there is no such thing as a black box or any sort of data recorder on this helicopter. The CH47F has a voice recorder and some data recording functions but I am not an expert on the F model chinook. Please review that information on the bottom of this article.
SSG Gaughan. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 206.39.41.2 ( talk) 19:37, 13 August 2014 (UTC)
Maybe one of you can read RUN TO THE SOUND OF THE GUNS as that has an account of the most senior Ranger NCO on the ground at that time which helps dispel a lot of the wrong narrative in this article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2607:FEA8:620:5617:293F:3016:F148:E8B3 ( talk) 03:27, 25 October 2020 (UTC)
Shouldn't "prelude" be before all other categories? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jewnited ( talk • contribs) 20:45, 20 May 2015 (UTC)
There's a grave marked Extortion 17 at Arlington National Cemetery. Is this worth an explanation?-- Jim in Georgia Contribs Talk 01:23, 4 January 2017 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: moved as requested per the discussion below. Dekimasu よ! 18:15, 5 April 2018 (UTC)
2011 Chinook shootdown in Afghanistan →
2011 Afghanistan Boeing Chinook shootdown – This page's title sounds quite awkward. Wikipedia articles for non-numbered plane crashes typically follow the format "[Year] [Location or operator or both] [Aircraft name] crash" but this title sounds too casual. This has been mentioned before, but I am requesting a different title than what has been requested; that this page be moved to either
2011 Afghanistan Boeing Chinook shootdown or
2011 Afghanistan Boeing CH-47 shootdown.
DASL51984 (
Speak to me!)
02:03, 30 March 2018 (UTC)
Taliban just released the name and a picture of the person who shot down the helicopter … 2600:1702:C00:22A0:1988:16EB:D0D8:56C1 ( talk) 03:05, 17 January 2023 (UTC)