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Should we include the EU in the table? Since we can't really compare a country like the United States which sends 200 athletes and France which sends 100. I guess it would make the comparison and the table more accurate. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.100.234.136 ( talk) 15:43, 18 February 2010 (UTC)
There is a similar discussion in the 2008 Olympics page. One Wikipedian there argued that "there are many web sites on this topic, so it is apparently socially relevant and possibly worth a Wikipedia article":
http://shanghaiist.com/2008/08/12/2008_beijing_olympics_medal_count.php
http://www.idsia.ch/~juergen/goldcountbeijing.html
http://www.idsia.ch/~juergen/alltimegold2008.html
http://euobserver.com/843/26636
The present discussion echos many of the pros and cons he listed: http://www.medaltracker.eu/ says the comparison is not entirely fair: "The 27 EU countries have much higher quota of starting positions than individual competing nations. The fictitious "EU team" has therefore a better chance to win medals than the other participating countries." But http://www.idsia.ch/~juergen/goldcountbeijing.html argues that this affects only silver and bronze medals and that the EU gold count of a unified EU team would further increase: "If the EU sent only its three best athletes per individual event, and only one all-star team per team event, the EU gold count would actually increase, since almost all individual events are won by one of the top three favorites (sending additional inferior athletes is usually in vain), and the unified EU all-star teams also would win many team events (4 x 100m relays etc) currently won by non-EU teams.... we can safely ignore silver and bronze medals used in (inofficial) IOC rankings to break the tie where gold counts are equal".
I guess it's true that the number of athletes does not matter much, only their quality. Or do you think that if India sent a thousand athletes it would collect many more gold medals? No, most gold medals would still go to the current world champion or at least one of the top three, as they almost always do (though not always). But personally I am not sure it's a good idea to add all the EU medals - with 40 golds or so they'd be so far ahead, the medal table would look ridiculous... My17cents ( talk) 11:59, 28 February 2010 (UTC)
According to Europe's leading news magazine DER SPIEGEL, until recently USSR/Russia led the All Time Winter Olympics Medal Standings. This refers to the combined medals of the former USSR (1952-1988), Unified Team (1992), Russia (1992-). But in 2010 Germany surged ahead (combined medals of the German NOCs 1928-2010). Here the SPIEGEL link: http://www.spiegel.de/sport/sonst/0,1518,672825,00.html#medals_2 Click at "Ewiger Medaillenspiegel" to see the current all time medal standings. Gold medals so far: Germany 128, Russia 123, Norway 106, USA 87, Austria 55, Canada 51, Sweden 48 .... This new development should probably mentioned. My17cents ( talk) 16:37, 28 February 2010 (UTC)
Country | Gold | Silver | Bronze | Total |
---|---|---|---|---|
Soviet Union | 78 | 57 | 59 | 194 |
Unified Team | 9 | 6 | 8 | 23 |
Russia | 33 | 24 | 19 | 76 |
Russian totals | 120 | 87 | 86 | 293 |
Germany | 60 | 59 | 41 | 160 |
United Team of Germany | 8 | 6 | 5 | 19 |
East Germany | 39 | 36 | 35 | 110 |
West Germany | 11 | 15 | 13 | 39 |
German totals | 118 | 116 | 94 | 328 |
Source |
WP:UNDUE - said summation of medals is not recognized by the IOC. Using said personal assumptions for presenting the data is in violation of WP:NOR. Thanks. -- Madchester ( talk) 22:06, 1 March 2010 (UTC)
Also, isn't it kind of skewing the statistics a little to include both East and West Germany? After all, they competed at the same time. -- Scorpion 0422 23:26, 1 March 2010 (UTC)
Hi. I added what I thought were some interesting tidbits here and here. It was reverted once because another editor misunderstood the distinction between "per capita" and "per athlete", so I reinstated it. It was then reverted because it was "irrelevant", so I reinstated it because medal performance is obviously not relevant on pages specifically pertaining to a country's participation in the Olympics. It was then reverted a third time solely because it had already been reverted twice, which strikes me as decidedly circular logic.
I was wondering if other editors had an opinion of my additions? Are they so harmful to the article that they should be removed? -- Doradus ( talk) 20:20, 7 March 2010 (UTC)
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Should we include the EU in the table? Since we can't really compare a country like the United States which sends 200 athletes and France which sends 100. I guess it would make the comparison and the table more accurate. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.100.234.136 ( talk) 15:43, 18 February 2010 (UTC)
There is a similar discussion in the 2008 Olympics page. One Wikipedian there argued that "there are many web sites on this topic, so it is apparently socially relevant and possibly worth a Wikipedia article":
http://shanghaiist.com/2008/08/12/2008_beijing_olympics_medal_count.php
http://www.idsia.ch/~juergen/goldcountbeijing.html
http://www.idsia.ch/~juergen/alltimegold2008.html
http://euobserver.com/843/26636
The present discussion echos many of the pros and cons he listed: http://www.medaltracker.eu/ says the comparison is not entirely fair: "The 27 EU countries have much higher quota of starting positions than individual competing nations. The fictitious "EU team" has therefore a better chance to win medals than the other participating countries." But http://www.idsia.ch/~juergen/goldcountbeijing.html argues that this affects only silver and bronze medals and that the EU gold count of a unified EU team would further increase: "If the EU sent only its three best athletes per individual event, and only one all-star team per team event, the EU gold count would actually increase, since almost all individual events are won by one of the top three favorites (sending additional inferior athletes is usually in vain), and the unified EU all-star teams also would win many team events (4 x 100m relays etc) currently won by non-EU teams.... we can safely ignore silver and bronze medals used in (inofficial) IOC rankings to break the tie where gold counts are equal".
I guess it's true that the number of athletes does not matter much, only their quality. Or do you think that if India sent a thousand athletes it would collect many more gold medals? No, most gold medals would still go to the current world champion or at least one of the top three, as they almost always do (though not always). But personally I am not sure it's a good idea to add all the EU medals - with 40 golds or so they'd be so far ahead, the medal table would look ridiculous... My17cents ( talk) 11:59, 28 February 2010 (UTC)
According to Europe's leading news magazine DER SPIEGEL, until recently USSR/Russia led the All Time Winter Olympics Medal Standings. This refers to the combined medals of the former USSR (1952-1988), Unified Team (1992), Russia (1992-). But in 2010 Germany surged ahead (combined medals of the German NOCs 1928-2010). Here the SPIEGEL link: http://www.spiegel.de/sport/sonst/0,1518,672825,00.html#medals_2 Click at "Ewiger Medaillenspiegel" to see the current all time medal standings. Gold medals so far: Germany 128, Russia 123, Norway 106, USA 87, Austria 55, Canada 51, Sweden 48 .... This new development should probably mentioned. My17cents ( talk) 16:37, 28 February 2010 (UTC)
Country | Gold | Silver | Bronze | Total |
---|---|---|---|---|
Soviet Union | 78 | 57 | 59 | 194 |
Unified Team | 9 | 6 | 8 | 23 |
Russia | 33 | 24 | 19 | 76 |
Russian totals | 120 | 87 | 86 | 293 |
Germany | 60 | 59 | 41 | 160 |
United Team of Germany | 8 | 6 | 5 | 19 |
East Germany | 39 | 36 | 35 | 110 |
West Germany | 11 | 15 | 13 | 39 |
German totals | 118 | 116 | 94 | 328 |
Source |
WP:UNDUE - said summation of medals is not recognized by the IOC. Using said personal assumptions for presenting the data is in violation of WP:NOR. Thanks. -- Madchester ( talk) 22:06, 1 March 2010 (UTC)
Also, isn't it kind of skewing the statistics a little to include both East and West Germany? After all, they competed at the same time. -- Scorpion 0422 23:26, 1 March 2010 (UTC)
Hi. I added what I thought were some interesting tidbits here and here. It was reverted once because another editor misunderstood the distinction between "per capita" and "per athlete", so I reinstated it. It was then reverted because it was "irrelevant", so I reinstated it because medal performance is obviously not relevant on pages specifically pertaining to a country's participation in the Olympics. It was then reverted a third time solely because it had already been reverted twice, which strikes me as decidedly circular logic.
I was wondering if other editors had an opinion of my additions? Are they so harmful to the article that they should be removed? -- Doradus ( talk) 20:20, 7 March 2010 (UTC)
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