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The current version of the infobox [1] is less than ideal. Joachim Gauck is not a member of the SPD, he's a non-partisan candidate backed by the SPD and the Greens. Apparently, this infobox doesn't support multiple parties (also see Template_talk:Infobox_election#Several_parties_backing_a_presidential_candidate). Josh Gorand ( talk) 23:26, 3 June 2010 (UTC)
Re-added Jochimsen to the infobox. She is a candidate backed by over 100 delegates, I see no reason why she wouldn't be a "major" candidate. -- Danielbruns ( talk) 11:16, 9 June 2010 (UTC)
She's not a major candidate because she isn't backed by any of the two major parties, and hasn't any realistic chances to get elected. 100 delegates, see, that amounts to less than 10%. The two major candidates are backed by 646 and 461 delegates, respectively. Josh Gorand ( talk) 22:12, 9 June 2010 (UTC)
Personally, I don't think the two fringe candidates, Jochumsen and Rennicke, should be included in the infobox. The fringe candidates Sodann and Rennicke were not included in the infobox on the 2009 election. The only candidates with realistic chances to be elected are the two candidates of the major parties (CDU/CSU and SPD), that is, Wulff (backed by CDU/CSU and FDP) and Gauck (backed by SPD and Greens). But if we include Jochumsen, we must also include Rennicke, of course. Josh Gorand ( talk) 13:21, 9 June 2010 (UTC)
More relevant precedent: United States presidential election, 2008 does also only include the two candidates of the two major parties (that is, the only candidates with realistic chances to actually be elected president) in the infobox. Josh Gorand ( talk) 13:24, 9 June 2010 (UTC)
1.I corrected to 1244, as you can see by addition of lines above, else see http://www.bundestag.de/bundestag/aufgaben/weitereaufgaben/bundesversammlung/index.html —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.196.29.247 ( talk) 20:44, 30 June 2010 (UTC)
2. Böhrnsen was NOT President of the Federation, instead he was and is President of the Federation Council, and President of the Senate and Mayor of the Free Hanseatic City of Bremen, which is equivalent to a Ministerpräsident(Minister President)of a Federal State(Bundesland).
Article54 (1) of the German Grundgesetz (GG) says:
"(1) Der Bundespräsident wird ohne Aussprache von der Bundesversammlung gewählt. [...]"
"(1)The President of the Federation is elected without debate by the Federal Convention. [...]"
Not elected by Convention-> not in the Office of President. There is no automatic successor, only can one be elected by Federal Convention.
Art. 55 of GG says:
"(1) Der Bundespräsident darf weder der Regierung noch einer gesetzgebenden Körperschaft des Bundes oder eines Landes angehören."
"(2) Der Bundespräsident darf kein anderes besoldetes Amt, kein Gewerbe und keinen Beruf ausüben und weder der Leitung noch dem Aufsichtsrate eines auf Erwerb gerichteten Unternehmens angehören."
"(1) The Federal President may not be a member of the government or of a legislative body of the Federation or of a Land."
"(2) The President of the Federation ist not allowed to perform another salaried office, business and profession, and to be nor Executive Officer neither Member of the Board of a comercial enterprise"
Indeed, Böhrnsen is still in Office as President of Federal Council and as Senator and Mayor of Bundesland Bremen. He did not resign, and therefore cannot hold the Office of the Federation´s President.
He is only deputy in a functional sense.
Art.57 of the GG says:
"Die Befugnisse des Bundespräsidenten werden im Falle seiner Verhinderung oder bei vorzeitiger Erledigung des Amtes durch den Präsidenten des Bundesrates wahrgenommen."
"The authorities of the President of the Federation are discharged to the President of the Federal Council in case of unability to perform or premature ending of his office."
The authorities, NOT the office! 89.196.32.213 ( talk) 23:48, 30 June 2010 (UTC)
Hi there. I have recently come across several edits that tried to purport the view that politicians of the Left had criticized Gauck for his role as "Stasi-hunter" (which in itself is a problematic and undifferentiated notion). As far as I know, there is no politician in the Left Party who actually did this (If you find one, don't hesitate to let me know) and the sources we have certainly do not back up this claim. Rather, the Left has criticized Gauck for concrete views and statements, most of wich had little to do with the GDR or Stasi at all. The idea that the Left disapproves of Gauck because of his role as Federal Commissioner for the Stasi Archives is one purported by the Left's political adversaries (like Sigmar Gabriel) and not a neutral or undisputed one. We should present it in this way. Gauck is, despite being nominated by the SPD and the Greens, first and foremost a conservative figure with mostly conservative views. It's logical that the Left would have problems supporting such a candidate. However, it is not our place to just claim the real reason behind the Left's disapproval to be another one, unless we have significant sources for that. Janfrie1988 ( talk) 16:18, 1 July 2010 (UTC)
I disagree with removing Jochimsen's background as former editor-in-chief of the Hessischer Rundfunk. We have information on Wulff's and Gauck's backgrond, too. What is more, it is mentioned in the source we use in this section and I remember to have read it several times in the last few days. The HR is an important broadcaster in Germany, so this position should be notable. Likewise, I would also include that Frank Rennike is a far-right singer-songwriter. Janfrie1988 ( talk) 16:26, 1 July 2010 (UTC)
Frankly, I think neither Rennicke's singing career or Jochimsen's journalism career are that relevant for this article, because none of them were serious candidates with realistic chances of getting elected, and also because Jochumsen's journalism career has little to do with her politics. She only became politically active after ending her journalism career. Gauck's and Wulff's backgrounds, on the contrary, are directly relevant for their political careers and presidential candidacies, and they were the main candidates (similar to Obama and McCain, or George W. Bush and John Kerry). Josh Gorand ( talk) 17:10, 2 July 2010 (UTC)
The backgrounds of both minor candidates should be included. Otherwise the reader may wonder where the two are coming from and why they are in the position they are in today. Short descriptions that it, a few words will do. Which candidate had realistic chances is irrelevant for this. Str1977 (talk) 10:39, 3 July 2010 (UTC)
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The current version of the infobox [1] is less than ideal. Joachim Gauck is not a member of the SPD, he's a non-partisan candidate backed by the SPD and the Greens. Apparently, this infobox doesn't support multiple parties (also see Template_talk:Infobox_election#Several_parties_backing_a_presidential_candidate). Josh Gorand ( talk) 23:26, 3 June 2010 (UTC)
Re-added Jochimsen to the infobox. She is a candidate backed by over 100 delegates, I see no reason why she wouldn't be a "major" candidate. -- Danielbruns ( talk) 11:16, 9 June 2010 (UTC)
She's not a major candidate because she isn't backed by any of the two major parties, and hasn't any realistic chances to get elected. 100 delegates, see, that amounts to less than 10%. The two major candidates are backed by 646 and 461 delegates, respectively. Josh Gorand ( talk) 22:12, 9 June 2010 (UTC)
Personally, I don't think the two fringe candidates, Jochumsen and Rennicke, should be included in the infobox. The fringe candidates Sodann and Rennicke were not included in the infobox on the 2009 election. The only candidates with realistic chances to be elected are the two candidates of the major parties (CDU/CSU and SPD), that is, Wulff (backed by CDU/CSU and FDP) and Gauck (backed by SPD and Greens). But if we include Jochumsen, we must also include Rennicke, of course. Josh Gorand ( talk) 13:21, 9 June 2010 (UTC)
More relevant precedent: United States presidential election, 2008 does also only include the two candidates of the two major parties (that is, the only candidates with realistic chances to actually be elected president) in the infobox. Josh Gorand ( talk) 13:24, 9 June 2010 (UTC)
1.I corrected to 1244, as you can see by addition of lines above, else see http://www.bundestag.de/bundestag/aufgaben/weitereaufgaben/bundesversammlung/index.html —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.196.29.247 ( talk) 20:44, 30 June 2010 (UTC)
2. Böhrnsen was NOT President of the Federation, instead he was and is President of the Federation Council, and President of the Senate and Mayor of the Free Hanseatic City of Bremen, which is equivalent to a Ministerpräsident(Minister President)of a Federal State(Bundesland).
Article54 (1) of the German Grundgesetz (GG) says:
"(1) Der Bundespräsident wird ohne Aussprache von der Bundesversammlung gewählt. [...]"
"(1)The President of the Federation is elected without debate by the Federal Convention. [...]"
Not elected by Convention-> not in the Office of President. There is no automatic successor, only can one be elected by Federal Convention.
Art. 55 of GG says:
"(1) Der Bundespräsident darf weder der Regierung noch einer gesetzgebenden Körperschaft des Bundes oder eines Landes angehören."
"(2) Der Bundespräsident darf kein anderes besoldetes Amt, kein Gewerbe und keinen Beruf ausüben und weder der Leitung noch dem Aufsichtsrate eines auf Erwerb gerichteten Unternehmens angehören."
"(1) The Federal President may not be a member of the government or of a legislative body of the Federation or of a Land."
"(2) The President of the Federation ist not allowed to perform another salaried office, business and profession, and to be nor Executive Officer neither Member of the Board of a comercial enterprise"
Indeed, Böhrnsen is still in Office as President of Federal Council and as Senator and Mayor of Bundesland Bremen. He did not resign, and therefore cannot hold the Office of the Federation´s President.
He is only deputy in a functional sense.
Art.57 of the GG says:
"Die Befugnisse des Bundespräsidenten werden im Falle seiner Verhinderung oder bei vorzeitiger Erledigung des Amtes durch den Präsidenten des Bundesrates wahrgenommen."
"The authorities of the President of the Federation are discharged to the President of the Federal Council in case of unability to perform or premature ending of his office."
The authorities, NOT the office! 89.196.32.213 ( talk) 23:48, 30 June 2010 (UTC)
Hi there. I have recently come across several edits that tried to purport the view that politicians of the Left had criticized Gauck for his role as "Stasi-hunter" (which in itself is a problematic and undifferentiated notion). As far as I know, there is no politician in the Left Party who actually did this (If you find one, don't hesitate to let me know) and the sources we have certainly do not back up this claim. Rather, the Left has criticized Gauck for concrete views and statements, most of wich had little to do with the GDR or Stasi at all. The idea that the Left disapproves of Gauck because of his role as Federal Commissioner for the Stasi Archives is one purported by the Left's political adversaries (like Sigmar Gabriel) and not a neutral or undisputed one. We should present it in this way. Gauck is, despite being nominated by the SPD and the Greens, first and foremost a conservative figure with mostly conservative views. It's logical that the Left would have problems supporting such a candidate. However, it is not our place to just claim the real reason behind the Left's disapproval to be another one, unless we have significant sources for that. Janfrie1988 ( talk) 16:18, 1 July 2010 (UTC)
I disagree with removing Jochimsen's background as former editor-in-chief of the Hessischer Rundfunk. We have information on Wulff's and Gauck's backgrond, too. What is more, it is mentioned in the source we use in this section and I remember to have read it several times in the last few days. The HR is an important broadcaster in Germany, so this position should be notable. Likewise, I would also include that Frank Rennike is a far-right singer-songwriter. Janfrie1988 ( talk) 16:26, 1 July 2010 (UTC)
Frankly, I think neither Rennicke's singing career or Jochimsen's journalism career are that relevant for this article, because none of them were serious candidates with realistic chances of getting elected, and also because Jochumsen's journalism career has little to do with her politics. She only became politically active after ending her journalism career. Gauck's and Wulff's backgrounds, on the contrary, are directly relevant for their political careers and presidential candidacies, and they were the main candidates (similar to Obama and McCain, or George W. Bush and John Kerry). Josh Gorand ( talk) 17:10, 2 July 2010 (UTC)
The backgrounds of both minor candidates should be included. Otherwise the reader may wonder where the two are coming from and why they are in the position they are in today. Short descriptions that it, a few words will do. Which candidate had realistic chances is irrelevant for this. Str1977 (talk) 10:39, 3 July 2010 (UTC)
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