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needs an update with AQIM reaction et al. Also move the page to 2010-2011 Algerian protests similar to Tunisia as both started before and are ongoing.( Lihaas ( talk) 02:13, 15 January 2011 (UTC)).
It's not clear that these are "ongoing" in any meaningful sense. There were nearly a hundred local protests/riots reported last year, and plenty more the year before, but the particular batch started by the food price rises stands out for rapidly spreading to all parts of the country. The self-immolators and the RCD, and no doubt others, are trying to get these protests or something like them going again, but it's not clear yet whether they will succeed; certainly it doesn't look that way so far. - EmeutesAlgerie ( talk) —Preceding undated comment added 17:07, 21 January 2011 (UTC).
Specifically, what connection is there between the highly localised Algiers housing riots in December (or any of several other protests over specific local issues in that month) and the nationwide riots that erupted in January? There should certainly be a more general article on protests in Algeria too, but that wouldn't start in 2010 - more like 2002 or so... - EmeutesAlgerie ( talk) 17:17, 21 January 2011 (UTC)
Now that the page includes the self-immolations and the RCD march, I think a name change to 2011 Algerian protests would definitely be appropriate. However, in the Algerian context there is a useful distinction to be made between riots (acephalous, few or no explicitly political slogans, often feature attacks on property or government buildings) and demonstrations (organised by political groups, political slogans, no violence or destruction); riots are generally treated relatively lightly by the government and are often followed by attempts to redress particular material problems, whereas demonstrations are consistently stomped on and treated uncompromisingly. - EmeutesAlgerie ( talk) 14:32, 22 January 2011 (UTC)
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Heroeswithmetaphors ( talk) 21:04, 25 January 2011 (UTC)
Thanks for the ref fixes! Not so sure about the heading changes though: so far I've been organising this article chronologically, not topically, and the headings are simply intended to give a rough idea of what was mainly going on during a given week. Some topics emerge naturally in this way; others may not be apparent except in retrospect. - EmeutesAlgerie ( talk) 22:04, 25 January 2011 (UTC)
the protests started before 2011 (see the tunisian page), so i propose a similar mve.( Lihaas ( talk) 00:40, 26 January 2011 (UTC)).
As I already pointed out above and as is clear from the article's text, this isn't really true. Protests like the December ones have been routine for years, not just in December and not just in 2010. Either this article should start in the mid-2000s, or it should start with the obvious turning point: the first nationwide demonstrations since the early 1990s, which began in January. There is absolutely no point in making it start with a random housing protest in December having no known connection to the food price protests. - EmeutesAlgerie ( talk) 23:39, 30 January 2011 (UTC)
There's no "chicken or egg" problem here. The food riots preceded all of the self-immolations. - EmeutesAlgerie ( talk) 00:03, 3 February 2011 (UTC)
is it May First Square, May the First Square or Martyrs Square? all 3 have come iup at some point. Lihaas ( talk) 14:42, 13 February 2011 (UTC)
The protests in 2011 february are in Place du 1er Mai (May1 square), in a similar way to tahrir square protests in Egypt (better would be in the Place des Martyrs, Algiers), near the sea and out of police . -- 147.84.132.44 ( talk) 14:11, 14 February 2011 (UTC)
This protests page lacks stated Goals. We should add them. -- Smart30 ( talk) 06:12, 29 April 2011 (UTC)
Is it fair to say they're no longer 'ongoing'? From all over the news I gather not much has happened for a while. Harsimaja ( talk) 03:55, 23 August 2011 (UTC)
I've updated the article with some very recent protests, but there's a huge gap between last April and now in which I'm sure some stuff happened. If I'd realized nobody was updating this, I'd have tried to do it myself, but now there's a huge gap. I'll try to fill it gradually, but Wikipedia isn't my life and I'm a lazy-ass (I've been here for seven years, three of which I logged in most of the time, and in that time I've made less than 1000 edits, and maybe a hundred more in the four years I never logged in). So if anybody else can do that, please do. And in the meantime, keep in mind that while this article has information on the present, it's still not up to date. Regards, -- Quintucket ( talk) 02:33, 14 January 2012 (UTC)
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needs an update with AQIM reaction et al. Also move the page to 2010-2011 Algerian protests similar to Tunisia as both started before and are ongoing.( Lihaas ( talk) 02:13, 15 January 2011 (UTC)).
It's not clear that these are "ongoing" in any meaningful sense. There were nearly a hundred local protests/riots reported last year, and plenty more the year before, but the particular batch started by the food price rises stands out for rapidly spreading to all parts of the country. The self-immolators and the RCD, and no doubt others, are trying to get these protests or something like them going again, but it's not clear yet whether they will succeed; certainly it doesn't look that way so far. - EmeutesAlgerie ( talk) —Preceding undated comment added 17:07, 21 January 2011 (UTC).
Specifically, what connection is there between the highly localised Algiers housing riots in December (or any of several other protests over specific local issues in that month) and the nationwide riots that erupted in January? There should certainly be a more general article on protests in Algeria too, but that wouldn't start in 2010 - more like 2002 or so... - EmeutesAlgerie ( talk) 17:17, 21 January 2011 (UTC)
Now that the page includes the self-immolations and the RCD march, I think a name change to 2011 Algerian protests would definitely be appropriate. However, in the Algerian context there is a useful distinction to be made between riots (acephalous, few or no explicitly political slogans, often feature attacks on property or government buildings) and demonstrations (organised by political groups, political slogans, no violence or destruction); riots are generally treated relatively lightly by the government and are often followed by attempts to redress particular material problems, whereas demonstrations are consistently stomped on and treated uncompromisingly. - EmeutesAlgerie ( talk) 14:32, 22 January 2011 (UTC)
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Heroeswithmetaphors ( talk) 21:04, 25 January 2011 (UTC)
Thanks for the ref fixes! Not so sure about the heading changes though: so far I've been organising this article chronologically, not topically, and the headings are simply intended to give a rough idea of what was mainly going on during a given week. Some topics emerge naturally in this way; others may not be apparent except in retrospect. - EmeutesAlgerie ( talk) 22:04, 25 January 2011 (UTC)
the protests started before 2011 (see the tunisian page), so i propose a similar mve.( Lihaas ( talk) 00:40, 26 January 2011 (UTC)).
As I already pointed out above and as is clear from the article's text, this isn't really true. Protests like the December ones have been routine for years, not just in December and not just in 2010. Either this article should start in the mid-2000s, or it should start with the obvious turning point: the first nationwide demonstrations since the early 1990s, which began in January. There is absolutely no point in making it start with a random housing protest in December having no known connection to the food price protests. - EmeutesAlgerie ( talk) 23:39, 30 January 2011 (UTC)
There's no "chicken or egg" problem here. The food riots preceded all of the self-immolations. - EmeutesAlgerie ( talk) 00:03, 3 February 2011 (UTC)
is it May First Square, May the First Square or Martyrs Square? all 3 have come iup at some point. Lihaas ( talk) 14:42, 13 February 2011 (UTC)
The protests in 2011 february are in Place du 1er Mai (May1 square), in a similar way to tahrir square protests in Egypt (better would be in the Place des Martyrs, Algiers), near the sea and out of police . -- 147.84.132.44 ( talk) 14:11, 14 February 2011 (UTC)
This protests page lacks stated Goals. We should add them. -- Smart30 ( talk) 06:12, 29 April 2011 (UTC)
Is it fair to say they're no longer 'ongoing'? From all over the news I gather not much has happened for a while. Harsimaja ( talk) 03:55, 23 August 2011 (UTC)
I've updated the article with some very recent protests, but there's a huge gap between last April and now in which I'm sure some stuff happened. If I'd realized nobody was updating this, I'd have tried to do it myself, but now there's a huge gap. I'll try to fill it gradually, but Wikipedia isn't my life and I'm a lazy-ass (I've been here for seven years, three of which I logged in most of the time, and in that time I've made less than 1000 edits, and maybe a hundred more in the four years I never logged in). So if anybody else can do that, please do. And in the meantime, keep in mind that while this article has information on the present, it's still not up to date. Regards, -- Quintucket ( talk) 02:33, 14 January 2012 (UTC)
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