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I have put a brief request for the event to be included in the "In the news" section of the main page, we have plenty of info and sources, we just need to organise it all. Any help with pursuing it's inclusion in ITN would be much appreciated. Nick carson ( talk) 06:17, 13 March 2009 (UTC)
"Press reports stated that if the ammonium nitrate were to mix with the heavy fuel, the mixture could ignite and cause a large explosion."
Where exactly did the press report this? It may have been reported that when you mix the two you CAN make an explosion.
In any case, it doesn't really matter if someone said it because a small amount of fuel + ammonium nitrate in a large ocean does not equal an explosion since the ammonium nitrate dissolves in WATER. Constan69 ( talk) 22:14, 13 March 2009 (UTC)
Does this sentence make sense to anybody else? "High tides were helping the cleanup effort as they carried some of the fuel oil off shorelines and dispersed it in the sea." If you're a drudge whose task is to clean a beach, I guess that helps you personally, but if you're at all sensitive to the damage these chemicals and oils could do to sensitive marine life, I should think one would prefer washing conveniently onto a beach for pickup over "dispersal" into the sea. Abrazame ( talk) 16:42, 14 March 2009 (UTC)
I'm concerned that some "editorial statements" in this article are either unfounded, untrue or do not cite appropriate sources.
eg; "unsecured cargo" there is no evidence that the deck cargo was unsecured, in fact the opposite as the remaining shipping containers have damaged twist lock pockets if you look at the photos. Later in the article "a wave broke the restraints for the cargo and sent 31 containers of ammonium nitrate overboard" - were they unsecured or restrained?
eg; "fuel" infers a more refined substance than the bunker oil used in the great majority of ocean going vessels. Diesel fuel would not have caused the damage that the heavier bunker oil does.
eg; " In an interview of the crew of the ships, the crew stated that the captain was to blame for the incident." citation and references to the names of the crew members who blamed the captain.
eg; "The captain decided to stay on course, directly through the storm" - the Queensland Govt. Maritime Safety Bureau's website at http://www.msq.qld.gov.au/Home/About_us/Msq_headlines/Questions_answers_pacific_adventurer has a different story as to why ships are always advised to put to sea in large storms/cyclones.
eg; "Press reports stated that if the ammonium nitrate were to mix with the heavy fuel, the mixture could ignite and cause a large explosion." - absolute drivel and a media beat up.
eg; "If the chemical did not react with the fuel but still leaked out, marine life could be threatened by large blooms of algae." - speculation and needs the citation from the scientist who made that statement.
eg; "The southern tip of Bribie Island to Point Arkwright" - not true.
eg: "The shipping company and the ship's master are expected to be fined A$2 million ($1.3 million USD)[14] and $500,000 respectively. In addition the Queensland Premier Anna Bligh explained: "If there is any grounds for prosecution of this ship and its owners we will not hesitate to take that action." and "We will also be pursuing them for compensation as this is going to be a very big clean-up cost and I want those ship owners to be paying for it."[2] Following the environmental disaster, the company could be fined an additional A$248.6 million ($163.5 million USD).[17] Once the ship was at port, the captain was forced to surrender his passport to Australian officials and he was to remain in Brisbane for at least two weeks to help with the investigation.[18]" - this totally pre empts the legal system and should be deleted until such time as any action (if any) is taken against the captain and the shipping company. Swires (the owners) have already said they will pay for the cleanup via their insurers in a press release. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.177.138.204 ( talk) 20:36, 16 March 2009 (UTC)
Queensland Premier Anna Bligh has declared Moreton Island, Bribie Island and southern parts of the Sunshine Coast disaster zones after a massive oil spill.
Sixty kilometres of coastline is covered in the slick, which came from the Pacific Adventurer after it was damaged earlier this week in rough seas whipped up by cyclone Hamish.
Up to 230 tonnes of fuel oil leaked into the ocean from the cargo ship. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 220.245.174.96 ( talk) 08:16, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
Queensland Premier Anna Bligh has declared Moreton Island, Bribie Island and southern parts of the Sunshine Coast disaster zones after a massive oil spill.
Sixty kilometres of coastline is covered in the slick, which came from the Pacific Adventurer after it was damaged earlier this week in rough seas whipped up by cyclone Hamish.
Up to 230 tonnes of fuel oil leaked into the ocean from the cargo ship.
Ms Bligh met with an emergency response group last night.
She says the spill is much bigger than originally reported by the ship and the effect will be widespread.
Ms Bligh says public access will be restricted to the areas to allow pollution response teams to clean up.
Clean-up coordination centres have been set up in the disaster zones.
Opposition Leader Lawrence Springborg says the Government's handling of the clean-up has been farcical.
"We've now got the ridiculous situation of the Government chasing the councils off the beach who are there with heavy equipment trying to clear up oil spills and oil slicks that are more than 20 and 30 kilometres long," he said.
"They're running around with a few buckets and shovels and they are being told that this is the clean-up strategy, now this is ridiculous."
Mr Springborg yesterday voiced support for Environmental Protection Agency staff overseeing the clean-up. But he now says he was misled when he was told it was under control.
"It's either been a cover-up or absolutely incompetently mishandled," he said.
Ms Bligh says suggestions of a cover-up are ridiculous.
"This is a 60km oil spill. Any suggestion that anyone would want to cover it up or could is simply nonsense," she said.
Sunshine Coast
Emergency groups will meet on the Sunshine Coast this morning to formulate a plan to clean-up the oil spill.
Sunshine Coast Council environment manager Stephen Skull says it is too early to say how long it will take to remove the oil.
"It's certainly bigger than the first reports I was getting in terms of the extent of it and the magnitude of what's impacting our beaches," he said.
But the worst fears of Sunshine Coast residents have been realised, with the oil slick washing into the Maroochy River.
Local Murray Johnson says the State Government did not respond quickly enough to the unfolding disaster.
"They should be able to put something in place pretty rapidly to sort of safeguard against this sort of thing, because for Queensland it's a major tourism place and no-one's going to like having black scud all over the beach," he said.
But Mayor Bob Abbot says the blame game must wait until the immediate crisis is resolved.
"Got the issues with communication and that sort of stuff, but the important thing is to get this thing fixed first and I'm more interested in doing that than anything else.
"We can argue about who said what and when and who pays when it's over. As far as I'm concerned, we've got to go full steam ahead and stop it getting any further up the river."
Meanwhile, Greens Leader Bob Brown says he is astonished the Queensland and federal governments are so unprepared for a major oil spill.
Senator Brown says Australia should have a national coordinating service.
"We have always known that a much worse spill like those we have seen in Europe and Alaska could occur in Australia, where is the nationally coordinated action?" he said.
Fishing industry fears
Queensland Seafood Industry Association president Neil Green says the 30 containers of ammonium nitrate that fell off the Pacific Adventurer on Wednesday morning remain a major concern to commercial fishermen.
""Thirty of this size [of] containers are like 30 houses out there in the ocean, where our guys are going to be out there trawling and hook up on one of these," he said.
"They could capsize and that's a major problem for us. We're looking at the possibility of major areas being wiped out, environmentally-wise."
He is concerned about the long-term effects of ammonium nitrate polluting a major fishing area in south-east Queensland.
"We're horrified. Looking at the location of where these containers went over, it's smack bang in the middle of our major trawl grounds," he said. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 220.245.174.96 ( talk) 08:18, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
i need to no the final cost of cleanup the is not clear here
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I have put a brief request for the event to be included in the "In the news" section of the main page, we have plenty of info and sources, we just need to organise it all. Any help with pursuing it's inclusion in ITN would be much appreciated. Nick carson ( talk) 06:17, 13 March 2009 (UTC)
"Press reports stated that if the ammonium nitrate were to mix with the heavy fuel, the mixture could ignite and cause a large explosion."
Where exactly did the press report this? It may have been reported that when you mix the two you CAN make an explosion.
In any case, it doesn't really matter if someone said it because a small amount of fuel + ammonium nitrate in a large ocean does not equal an explosion since the ammonium nitrate dissolves in WATER. Constan69 ( talk) 22:14, 13 March 2009 (UTC)
Does this sentence make sense to anybody else? "High tides were helping the cleanup effort as they carried some of the fuel oil off shorelines and dispersed it in the sea." If you're a drudge whose task is to clean a beach, I guess that helps you personally, but if you're at all sensitive to the damage these chemicals and oils could do to sensitive marine life, I should think one would prefer washing conveniently onto a beach for pickup over "dispersal" into the sea. Abrazame ( talk) 16:42, 14 March 2009 (UTC)
I'm concerned that some "editorial statements" in this article are either unfounded, untrue or do not cite appropriate sources.
eg; "unsecured cargo" there is no evidence that the deck cargo was unsecured, in fact the opposite as the remaining shipping containers have damaged twist lock pockets if you look at the photos. Later in the article "a wave broke the restraints for the cargo and sent 31 containers of ammonium nitrate overboard" - were they unsecured or restrained?
eg; "fuel" infers a more refined substance than the bunker oil used in the great majority of ocean going vessels. Diesel fuel would not have caused the damage that the heavier bunker oil does.
eg; " In an interview of the crew of the ships, the crew stated that the captain was to blame for the incident." citation and references to the names of the crew members who blamed the captain.
eg; "The captain decided to stay on course, directly through the storm" - the Queensland Govt. Maritime Safety Bureau's website at http://www.msq.qld.gov.au/Home/About_us/Msq_headlines/Questions_answers_pacific_adventurer has a different story as to why ships are always advised to put to sea in large storms/cyclones.
eg; "Press reports stated that if the ammonium nitrate were to mix with the heavy fuel, the mixture could ignite and cause a large explosion." - absolute drivel and a media beat up.
eg; "If the chemical did not react with the fuel but still leaked out, marine life could be threatened by large blooms of algae." - speculation and needs the citation from the scientist who made that statement.
eg; "The southern tip of Bribie Island to Point Arkwright" - not true.
eg: "The shipping company and the ship's master are expected to be fined A$2 million ($1.3 million USD)[14] and $500,000 respectively. In addition the Queensland Premier Anna Bligh explained: "If there is any grounds for prosecution of this ship and its owners we will not hesitate to take that action." and "We will also be pursuing them for compensation as this is going to be a very big clean-up cost and I want those ship owners to be paying for it."[2] Following the environmental disaster, the company could be fined an additional A$248.6 million ($163.5 million USD).[17] Once the ship was at port, the captain was forced to surrender his passport to Australian officials and he was to remain in Brisbane for at least two weeks to help with the investigation.[18]" - this totally pre empts the legal system and should be deleted until such time as any action (if any) is taken against the captain and the shipping company. Swires (the owners) have already said they will pay for the cleanup via their insurers in a press release. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.177.138.204 ( talk) 20:36, 16 March 2009 (UTC)
Queensland Premier Anna Bligh has declared Moreton Island, Bribie Island and southern parts of the Sunshine Coast disaster zones after a massive oil spill.
Sixty kilometres of coastline is covered in the slick, which came from the Pacific Adventurer after it was damaged earlier this week in rough seas whipped up by cyclone Hamish.
Up to 230 tonnes of fuel oil leaked into the ocean from the cargo ship. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 220.245.174.96 ( talk) 08:16, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
Queensland Premier Anna Bligh has declared Moreton Island, Bribie Island and southern parts of the Sunshine Coast disaster zones after a massive oil spill.
Sixty kilometres of coastline is covered in the slick, which came from the Pacific Adventurer after it was damaged earlier this week in rough seas whipped up by cyclone Hamish.
Up to 230 tonnes of fuel oil leaked into the ocean from the cargo ship.
Ms Bligh met with an emergency response group last night.
She says the spill is much bigger than originally reported by the ship and the effect will be widespread.
Ms Bligh says public access will be restricted to the areas to allow pollution response teams to clean up.
Clean-up coordination centres have been set up in the disaster zones.
Opposition Leader Lawrence Springborg says the Government's handling of the clean-up has been farcical.
"We've now got the ridiculous situation of the Government chasing the councils off the beach who are there with heavy equipment trying to clear up oil spills and oil slicks that are more than 20 and 30 kilometres long," he said.
"They're running around with a few buckets and shovels and they are being told that this is the clean-up strategy, now this is ridiculous."
Mr Springborg yesterday voiced support for Environmental Protection Agency staff overseeing the clean-up. But he now says he was misled when he was told it was under control.
"It's either been a cover-up or absolutely incompetently mishandled," he said.
Ms Bligh says suggestions of a cover-up are ridiculous.
"This is a 60km oil spill. Any suggestion that anyone would want to cover it up or could is simply nonsense," she said.
Sunshine Coast
Emergency groups will meet on the Sunshine Coast this morning to formulate a plan to clean-up the oil spill.
Sunshine Coast Council environment manager Stephen Skull says it is too early to say how long it will take to remove the oil.
"It's certainly bigger than the first reports I was getting in terms of the extent of it and the magnitude of what's impacting our beaches," he said.
But the worst fears of Sunshine Coast residents have been realised, with the oil slick washing into the Maroochy River.
Local Murray Johnson says the State Government did not respond quickly enough to the unfolding disaster.
"They should be able to put something in place pretty rapidly to sort of safeguard against this sort of thing, because for Queensland it's a major tourism place and no-one's going to like having black scud all over the beach," he said.
But Mayor Bob Abbot says the blame game must wait until the immediate crisis is resolved.
"Got the issues with communication and that sort of stuff, but the important thing is to get this thing fixed first and I'm more interested in doing that than anything else.
"We can argue about who said what and when and who pays when it's over. As far as I'm concerned, we've got to go full steam ahead and stop it getting any further up the river."
Meanwhile, Greens Leader Bob Brown says he is astonished the Queensland and federal governments are so unprepared for a major oil spill.
Senator Brown says Australia should have a national coordinating service.
"We have always known that a much worse spill like those we have seen in Europe and Alaska could occur in Australia, where is the nationally coordinated action?" he said.
Fishing industry fears
Queensland Seafood Industry Association president Neil Green says the 30 containers of ammonium nitrate that fell off the Pacific Adventurer on Wednesday morning remain a major concern to commercial fishermen.
""Thirty of this size [of] containers are like 30 houses out there in the ocean, where our guys are going to be out there trawling and hook up on one of these," he said.
"They could capsize and that's a major problem for us. We're looking at the possibility of major areas being wiped out, environmentally-wise."
He is concerned about the long-term effects of ammonium nitrate polluting a major fishing area in south-east Queensland.
"We're horrified. Looking at the location of where these containers went over, it's smack bang in the middle of our major trawl grounds," he said. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 220.245.174.96 ( talk) 08:18, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
i need to no the final cost of cleanup the is not clear here
71.234.29.116 (
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Done -
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