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The Australian country chart only has 30 positions, unlike the US and CAN charts which are both 60. I think maybe we should limit the "major" Australian country hits to just Top 10 since it's a smaller chart. I'm also thinking of cutting back US and CAN to just Top 20 since 25 is a little odd. Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • ( Broken clamshells • Otter chirps • HELP) 01:20, 8 January 2009 (UTC)
Okay, I finally did some research and I'm a little leery of the NFS Publicity site. Apparently they were on a users.bigpond.com website (i.e., a free website hosted by an ISP) until recently. Furthermore, I can't find a shred of information on this company, which should be a big red flag. Furthermore, I can't find any evidence of IFPI recognizing this as an official chart, as opposed to, say, Billboard, Radio & Records or even Mediabase or Music Row. Even the Country Music Association of Australia doesn't acknowledge the charts, just the ARIA country albums charts. (As to why ARIA would have a country albums charts but not a singles one, I don't know.) Therefore, since this chart seems not to be a notable one, I'm thinking of removing the positions, but I'd like to view others' opinions first. Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • ( Broken clamshells • Otter chirps • HELP) 18:41, 11 February 2009 (UTC)
Let's delete it! Since there is nothing to prove the importance of the chart, we should not include it. Langdon ( talk) 01:46, 12 February 2009 (UTC)i7114080
Hey wait a minute! Wasn't it a good idea in the first place to show the Australian chart information? I just think that it was unnecessary to delete it. Additionally, i think that we should add the top 25 songs, and not just the top 20 songs. Adding just the top 20 songs sounds pretty stupid to me. User:Ryanbstevens —Preceding undated comment was added at 03:04, 12 February 2009 (UTC).
Australia has had a new national country top 40 singles chart for several years now with archives back to 2014. The chart is created from play reports from radio stations playing country across Australia and has a reasonable level of accuracy from my observation of it since it started (The current #1 is Lee Kernaghan who has sold over 2 million albums). https://countrytrackschart.com.au/archive.php — Preceding unsigned comment added by AndrewCeditor ( talk • contribs) 19:50, 15 July 2019 (UTC)
Okay, why not add every top 40 hit onto this page, and all the other years? Why just add the top 20 singles? You guys go from just adding top 25 hits to just top 20 hits? I know that we should only include the big hits, and not the minor hits, but it would seem really helpful and smart to add not just the top 20 songs, but any top 40 hit as well. It may seem necessary to follow the general rule of just adding the top 20 hits, but it makes the years in country music pages less detailed. Therefore, i believe that it would be best and better to add every top 40 hit onto the pages. Adding just the top 20 hits on the pages is just a little stupid and limited to me. I think that every top 40 hit has the right to be remembered. So i say that we add all the top 40 hits onto this page, and all the pages of the previous years. Anyone want to comment on this idea? - User:Ryanbstevens - Added on March 1, 2009 at 8:24 PM (My time).
Yes, maybe, but i'm not saying add all the top 40 songs and non-top 40 songs, just the top 40 songs, or at least the top 30 songs. There, top 30 songs. That's minus ten. And like i said, every top 40 song, or at least every top 30 song deserves to be on these pages, and to be remembered this way. Would that be a better idea? - User:Ryanbstevens - Added on March 2, 2009 at 4:01 PM (My time).
Okay, not all the top 40 songs, or all the top 30 songs, but just the top 25 songs maybe? We've got to make these pages more detailed at least. - User:Ryanbstevens - Added on March 2, 2009 at 9:53 PM (My time).
Okay, with R&R ending publication, we need a new game plan. I'm going to wait until next week's chart is published to see what happens. It's entirely possible that Billboard could take over the Canadian R&R charts, and they could also make the full 60 space country chart available on their website. At the very least, each individual song will still be listed in the archives. Ten Pound Hammer, his otters and a clue-bat • ( Many otters • One bat • One hammer) 23:39, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
Hmm, interesting. Thanks for posting that article. It's a strange, strange world we live in now. EnDaLeCoMpLeX ( talk) 14:52, 6 June 2009 (UTC)
Okay, i'm also saying that we should put the Australian chart info back on here. It was a very good idea in the first place, and it was removed just because of a concern of a source that was considered unreliable, which wasn't a very good reason. No source is perfect, and we can't just prohibit things just for not having a perfect and reliable source. Ryanbstevens ( talk) 00:58, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
Now R&R is really closed, what do we do about Canadian country chart? Mediabase is another available source, and the positions (about Top 25) is really close to R&R charts. Remember, R&R charts before 2006 was not acceptable at all like Mediabase today, but we still use its Canadian country chart. If there is no reply before next Tuesday, I will add Mediabase positions.
Also, User:Eric444 did some chart update today, and I am sure that they are not from mediabase. Langdon ( talk) 01:58, 19 June 2009 (UTC)i7114080
(cross-posted to Eric444's talk) Ugh. I just realized that, by asking Eric444 ( talk · contribs) to provide the Canadian country chart positions, I've created a big mess. Unless someone happens to have every single back issue of R&R from June 2004 onward, there's no way we can possibly verify the chart positions through a secondary source — and as we all know, unsourced material in an article is a no-no. What do you think we should do, then? Personally, I think the 2004-present Canadian country chart positions should be removed unless you can find some sort of secondary source to verify them (like maybe some reputable archival website I don't know about). Canadian Hot 100/Canadian Singles can stay, as can the 1964-2000 RPM positions, since those can all be verified through archives, but it seems like the only option is to kill the R&R Canadian Country positions. Ten Pound Hammer, his otters and a clue-bat • ( Many otters • One bat • One hammer) 01:30, 31 October 2009 (UTC)
That is a big problem for sure. We have the chart but there is no archive. However I remember we started adding canadian positions since Januany 2008, and I think we should keep the positions from then onward. Canadian country chart positions should be preserved. It is valuable. Actually Billboard has an archive of Canadian charts, but it only shows bits of them every week through Canadian Update, which has no archive as well. = =. Again, the point is that chart positions exists but are not preserved from 2008 onward. Langdon ( talk) 18:03, 31 October 2009 (UTC)
For the sake of consistency, should we split the #1 lists off to their own subpages, as is done with List of number-one hits (United States) and other similar charts. As with 2009 in music, we can summarize the #1 and top 20 hits in a list format. The #1's would then be sub-listed in List of number-one country hits (United States) and subpages such as List of number-one country hits of 2009 (United States) (and of course, separate lists for Canada). Ten Pound Hammer, his otters and a clue-bat • ( Many otters • One bat • One hammer) 18:27, 6 November 2009 (UTC)
Well, it looks good to start. But remember, there were multiple charts during the 1948-1958 timeframe. All we have right now as a reliable source is the series of Joel Whitburn books, including "Top 40 Country Singles" and "Top Country Songs," so the best we can probably do is state how long each song spent at No. 1 on a given chart, and place said information along with the requisite notes we've had before (whether it was their first and/or only No. 1 hit, if the song dropped from No. 1 and later reclaimed the top spot, and if it wound up being the No. 1 song of the year). The song's No. 1 date would be the earliest it topped any of the charts, just as it is listed in Whitburn's books. [[ Briguy52748 ( talk) 01:17, 13 December 2009 (UTC)]]
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The Australian country chart only has 30 positions, unlike the US and CAN charts which are both 60. I think maybe we should limit the "major" Australian country hits to just Top 10 since it's a smaller chart. I'm also thinking of cutting back US and CAN to just Top 20 since 25 is a little odd. Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • ( Broken clamshells • Otter chirps • HELP) 01:20, 8 January 2009 (UTC)
Okay, I finally did some research and I'm a little leery of the NFS Publicity site. Apparently they were on a users.bigpond.com website (i.e., a free website hosted by an ISP) until recently. Furthermore, I can't find a shred of information on this company, which should be a big red flag. Furthermore, I can't find any evidence of IFPI recognizing this as an official chart, as opposed to, say, Billboard, Radio & Records or even Mediabase or Music Row. Even the Country Music Association of Australia doesn't acknowledge the charts, just the ARIA country albums charts. (As to why ARIA would have a country albums charts but not a singles one, I don't know.) Therefore, since this chart seems not to be a notable one, I'm thinking of removing the positions, but I'd like to view others' opinions first. Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • ( Broken clamshells • Otter chirps • HELP) 18:41, 11 February 2009 (UTC)
Let's delete it! Since there is nothing to prove the importance of the chart, we should not include it. Langdon ( talk) 01:46, 12 February 2009 (UTC)i7114080
Hey wait a minute! Wasn't it a good idea in the first place to show the Australian chart information? I just think that it was unnecessary to delete it. Additionally, i think that we should add the top 25 songs, and not just the top 20 songs. Adding just the top 20 songs sounds pretty stupid to me. User:Ryanbstevens —Preceding undated comment was added at 03:04, 12 February 2009 (UTC).
Australia has had a new national country top 40 singles chart for several years now with archives back to 2014. The chart is created from play reports from radio stations playing country across Australia and has a reasonable level of accuracy from my observation of it since it started (The current #1 is Lee Kernaghan who has sold over 2 million albums). https://countrytrackschart.com.au/archive.php — Preceding unsigned comment added by AndrewCeditor ( talk • contribs) 19:50, 15 July 2019 (UTC)
Okay, why not add every top 40 hit onto this page, and all the other years? Why just add the top 20 singles? You guys go from just adding top 25 hits to just top 20 hits? I know that we should only include the big hits, and not the minor hits, but it would seem really helpful and smart to add not just the top 20 songs, but any top 40 hit as well. It may seem necessary to follow the general rule of just adding the top 20 hits, but it makes the years in country music pages less detailed. Therefore, i believe that it would be best and better to add every top 40 hit onto the pages. Adding just the top 20 hits on the pages is just a little stupid and limited to me. I think that every top 40 hit has the right to be remembered. So i say that we add all the top 40 hits onto this page, and all the pages of the previous years. Anyone want to comment on this idea? - User:Ryanbstevens - Added on March 1, 2009 at 8:24 PM (My time).
Yes, maybe, but i'm not saying add all the top 40 songs and non-top 40 songs, just the top 40 songs, or at least the top 30 songs. There, top 30 songs. That's minus ten. And like i said, every top 40 song, or at least every top 30 song deserves to be on these pages, and to be remembered this way. Would that be a better idea? - User:Ryanbstevens - Added on March 2, 2009 at 4:01 PM (My time).
Okay, not all the top 40 songs, or all the top 30 songs, but just the top 25 songs maybe? We've got to make these pages more detailed at least. - User:Ryanbstevens - Added on March 2, 2009 at 9:53 PM (My time).
Okay, with R&R ending publication, we need a new game plan. I'm going to wait until next week's chart is published to see what happens. It's entirely possible that Billboard could take over the Canadian R&R charts, and they could also make the full 60 space country chart available on their website. At the very least, each individual song will still be listed in the archives. Ten Pound Hammer, his otters and a clue-bat • ( Many otters • One bat • One hammer) 23:39, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
Hmm, interesting. Thanks for posting that article. It's a strange, strange world we live in now. EnDaLeCoMpLeX ( talk) 14:52, 6 June 2009 (UTC)
Okay, i'm also saying that we should put the Australian chart info back on here. It was a very good idea in the first place, and it was removed just because of a concern of a source that was considered unreliable, which wasn't a very good reason. No source is perfect, and we can't just prohibit things just for not having a perfect and reliable source. Ryanbstevens ( talk) 00:58, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
Now R&R is really closed, what do we do about Canadian country chart? Mediabase is another available source, and the positions (about Top 25) is really close to R&R charts. Remember, R&R charts before 2006 was not acceptable at all like Mediabase today, but we still use its Canadian country chart. If there is no reply before next Tuesday, I will add Mediabase positions.
Also, User:Eric444 did some chart update today, and I am sure that they are not from mediabase. Langdon ( talk) 01:58, 19 June 2009 (UTC)i7114080
(cross-posted to Eric444's talk) Ugh. I just realized that, by asking Eric444 ( talk · contribs) to provide the Canadian country chart positions, I've created a big mess. Unless someone happens to have every single back issue of R&R from June 2004 onward, there's no way we can possibly verify the chart positions through a secondary source — and as we all know, unsourced material in an article is a no-no. What do you think we should do, then? Personally, I think the 2004-present Canadian country chart positions should be removed unless you can find some sort of secondary source to verify them (like maybe some reputable archival website I don't know about). Canadian Hot 100/Canadian Singles can stay, as can the 1964-2000 RPM positions, since those can all be verified through archives, but it seems like the only option is to kill the R&R Canadian Country positions. Ten Pound Hammer, his otters and a clue-bat • ( Many otters • One bat • One hammer) 01:30, 31 October 2009 (UTC)
That is a big problem for sure. We have the chart but there is no archive. However I remember we started adding canadian positions since Januany 2008, and I think we should keep the positions from then onward. Canadian country chart positions should be preserved. It is valuable. Actually Billboard has an archive of Canadian charts, but it only shows bits of them every week through Canadian Update, which has no archive as well. = =. Again, the point is that chart positions exists but are not preserved from 2008 onward. Langdon ( talk) 18:03, 31 October 2009 (UTC)
For the sake of consistency, should we split the #1 lists off to their own subpages, as is done with List of number-one hits (United States) and other similar charts. As with 2009 in music, we can summarize the #1 and top 20 hits in a list format. The #1's would then be sub-listed in List of number-one country hits (United States) and subpages such as List of number-one country hits of 2009 (United States) (and of course, separate lists for Canada). Ten Pound Hammer, his otters and a clue-bat • ( Many otters • One bat • One hammer) 18:27, 6 November 2009 (UTC)
Well, it looks good to start. But remember, there were multiple charts during the 1948-1958 timeframe. All we have right now as a reliable source is the series of Joel Whitburn books, including "Top 40 Country Singles" and "Top Country Songs," so the best we can probably do is state how long each song spent at No. 1 on a given chart, and place said information along with the requisite notes we've had before (whether it was their first and/or only No. 1 hit, if the song dropped from No. 1 and later reclaimed the top spot, and if it wound up being the No. 1 song of the year). The song's No. 1 date would be the earliest it topped any of the charts, just as it is listed in Whitburn's books. [[ Briguy52748 ( talk) 01:17, 13 December 2009 (UTC)]]