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Released today. No changes in intensity. - Weatherlover819 ( talk) 01:02, 13 June 2009 (UTC)
Why are people not adding a sub title to the issuance of TCRs? - 116.41.19.54 ( talk) 00:09, 3 October 2009 (UTC)
Bill held peak intensity of 115 kts (no change) for 30 hours -- Anh ami rak 21:07, 23 October 2009 (UTC)
Released Friday, three days ago! Nothing changed. -- Anh ami rak 23:02, 26 October 2009 (UTC)
It was released eight days ago! It lasted a week after degenerating into an remnant low. -- Anh ami rak 23:02, 26 October 2009 (UTC)
Released October 29, no changes in intensity. -- 12george1 ( talk) 21:36, 20 November 2009 (UTC)
Released yesterday, some changes needed in the article. - 123.215.14.182 ( talk) 13:22, 15 January 2010 (UTC)
What was the point of the text being cleared off most of the Tropical Cyclone related articles yesterday? I really would like to know because it was almost every acticle related to Tropical Cyclones. -- 12george1 ( talk) 18:13, 17 September 2009 (UTC)
Should I start on this? Eight caused nearly half inches of rain for parts of Cape Verde. HurricaneSpin Talk My contributions 19:38, 26 September 2009 (UTC)
Is Grace notable in any way, in the fact that it's formation location is further north than Vince's from 2005? If it is, I could add it to Grace's section on the main page. Hurricanekiller1994 ( talk) 16:30, 5 October 2009 (UTC)
As for a potential article, it DID have land effects in the Azores and stands to affect the British Isles (could we see history with it making landfall in Ireland?) CrazyC83 ( talk) 01:01, 6 October 2009 (UTC)
Theres no need for an article, it didnt have that much of an effect on the Azores and is a general fishspinner since it never made landfall. Jason Rees ( talk) 08:51, 6 October 2009 (UTC)
I would give it an article as it did affect the Azores with 50 MPH winds. Also this statement "ADDITIONAL INFORMATION ON THE REMNANTS OF GRACE CAN BE FOUND IN HIGH SEAS FORECASTS ISSUED BY THE UNITED KINGDOM METEOROLOGICAL OFFICE UNDER WMO HEADER WONT54 EGRR" It still can have affects on the UK (indirect). - Knowledgekid87 7:29, 6 October 2009 (AT)
No. The storm hasn't even dissipated yet, and once that happens, the storm can be open. We also don't need articles for everything, Atlantic basin or not.Mitch32( The Password is... See here!) 11:49, 6 October 2009 (UTC)
I wasn't saying that an article was needed, I just wanted to know if Grace was unique in any way. Hurricanekiller1994 ( talk) 21:38, 6 October 2009 (UTC)
Was Fred's remnant low actually the main cause of the southeast floods? I seem to remember that there was moisture already in the area while Fred was still off the Florida/Georgia coast, but I can't say I'm sure. The citation doesn't show anything about Fred, and I think it was separate from the flood, but I'd like someone to tell me if I'm right or wrong before changing anything on the article. -- 99.162.229.22 ( talk) 17:57, 5 October 2009 (UTC)
Per http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/text/refresh/MIATWOAT+shtml/061922.shtml. Not sure what consensus is for confirmed storms before their initial advisory, so I'm leaving off the page for now. - RunningOnBrains( talk) 19:26, 6 October 2009 (UTC)
It says in the season names section that Fred was used for the first time in 2009. The full name - Frederic - was previously used - and retired - in 1979. Should this be mentioned in the article somewhere there? 76.29.112.198 ( talk) 23:01, 15 October 2009 (UTC)
Some weeks ago the article's made clear in its lead that the season is below average. Actually, it was well below average those days. I havent followed this closely, but, has the situation varied over time in a way that it has become now an average season? If not, I think it should be stated again, same as the above average seasons state that in their lead.
Besides, according to this source (which on the face of it seems scholarly and interesting) "Global Tropical Cyclone ACE is the lowest since 1979". Probably some of the research in this web should be quoted as well.
I hope the gloom lovers are not whitewashing (or, actually, darkening) the whole thing... MOUNTOLIVE fedeli alla linea 01:34, 19 October 2009 (UTC)
Article currently says: "So far this season ties for record low activity with 1982 for lowest number of hurricanes forming in a season."
Isn't this crystal ball gazing?
If it is allowed, what else are we going to get? A record high of 100% of hurricanes being major hurricanes, no non major hurricanes ..... crandles ( talk) 19:35, 24 October 2009 (UTC)
I know people love to read about records for a season, but I think it would be best to wait to see what happens and once the season is over make the Records and statistics section. - Knowledgekid87 ( talk) 20:37, 5 November 2009 (UTC)
I was wondering if it is or isn't too early to create an article about Hurricane Ida. First, it is a land impacting storm and second we can use the Public Advisories to create the meteorological history. I also have a report about some impacts from Ida [3].
Thank you in advanced for your comments, -- 12george1 ( talk) 00:21, 6 November 2009 (UTC)
According to the NHC (600 AM CST): "DATA FROM NOAA DOPPLER RADAR AND SURFACE OBSERVATIONS INDICATE THAT THE CENTER OF TROPICAL STORM IDA MADE ITS FIRST LANDFALL AROUND 540 AM CST...1140 UTC...ON DAUPHIN ISLAND ALABAMA...WITH MAXIMUM SUSTAINED WINDS OF 45 MPH...75 KM/HR.", I have also found the 2nd for "JUST TO THE NORTHWEST OF BON SECOUR ALABAMA", are there any sources though for the other indirect landfall in "Venice, Louisiana" ??? - Knowledgekid87 ( talk) 18:54, 10 November 2009 (UTC)
Okay so I know the CNN source is saying that 54 people have died in flooding caused by Ida, however two other sources are saying it (the flooding) was casued by another low pressure system off the pacific coast and that ida mearly helped steer the low pressure system. Is there any right or wrong source here?
BBC - http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/8349333.stm "However, Ida, which passed to the east of El Salvador three days ago, is not thought to have caused the severe rains.
The BBC's weather centre said El Salvador's rains were caused by a separate, low pressure system."
CBC - http://www.cbc.ca/world/story/2009/11/08/hurricane-ida.html "Dave Roberts of the U.S. National Hurricane Center in Miami said while the presence of Hurricane Ida in the Caribbean may have played some indirect role in helping steer the system, the deaths are not directly linked to the hurricane" - Knowledgekid87 ( talk) 19:28, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
imnvho it is a ridiculous thing to deny. i assume the salvadorians know better then we wether the weather was worst in the east or the west. (basically i think we see a case of downplaying a serious threat in 'certain' (western) media). alJazeera does not even mention a pacific disturbance.i think they used salvadorese resources(11-9;). 24.132.171.225 ( talk) 06:32, 9 November 2009 (UTC)
Actually there was an EPAC disturbance during the last week. Jason Rees ( talk) 18:32, 9 November 2009 (UTC)
There are some changes that still need to be made on this issue. First, the article mentions the possibility that the Pacific low pressure system was steered by the Fujiwhara effect. There is no citation for this, and in fact the only places on the entire Internet saying this are this Wikipedia page and duplicates of it. Even if it's true, which I think is dubious, it is either speculative or the dreaded "independent research". Second, the "deaths" column in the table shows "1(124)" for Ida. These 124 deaths are not attributed to Hurricane Ida at this time and even considering them indirectly caused by the storm is a real stretch. Finally the reference at the end points to a CNN International article under the title "Ida kills 54 in El Salvador, heads for U.S. Gulf Coast" which was withdrawn just a few hours after initial publication of the story. The title of the article after the reports of deaths in El Salvador being caused by the hurricane were retracted is "Hurricane Ida moves into U.S. Gulf Coast". 216.80.110.88 ( talk) 04:05, 12 November 2009 (UTC)
An editor with good intentions added a storm with hurricane-force winds as a tropical system within the main page. I reverted it. Thegreatdr ( talk) 21:40, 20 November 2009 (UTC)
Would it be appropriate to replace the infobox and called this season over? -- 12george1 ( talk) 03:23, 30 November 2009 (UTC)
Instead of randomly tossing around huge numbers, would someone please provide a cite for damages? The bottom of the page lists a little over 2 million in total damages, most of that coming from Ida. Sticking 173 million in the infobox at top is completely inconsistent with that.-- Prosfilaes ( talk) 21:57, 9 December 2009 (UTC) Just havign a quick look through the articles for this season - it seems that the 173mill is correctly sourced in Idas article. Jason Rees ( talk) 22:50, 9 December 2009 (UTC)
Claudette is out; the Best Track ACE for the storm can now replace the Operational ACE. 173.57.117.239 ( talk) 06:18, 9 January 2010 (UTC)
This is a major change to the current 2009 AHS article. I want to see if anyone else wants the article to be similar to 2006 Atlantic hurricane season, where there is just a summary of the storms and then another article for a list of storms. If you don't get want I mean look this userpage and this one. -- 12george1 ( talk) 20:18, 13 January 2010 (UTC)
Please note that I've already completely the new version of the article and moved the older one to List of storms in the 2009 Atlantic hurricane season. Cyclonebiskit ( talk) 22:25, 16 February 2010 (UTC)
Umm, I was wondering if there are any candidates for reclassification into a tropical cyclone in post-season analysis. -- Weatherlover819 ( talk) 14:33, 20 January 2010 (UTC)
The WMO conference has come and gone, it appears there was no press release so no names were retired? I'm trying to confirm that though. CrazyC83 ( talk) 01:39, 16 March 2010 (UTC)
So this article and List of storms in the 2009 Atlantic hurricane season are just about the same. They are two different articles with the same information, just presented differently. The project recently came into an agreement that we should avoid that. Just sayin'. --♫ Hurricanehink ( talk) 01:02, 18 May 2011 (UTC)
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Fails WP:NWX since there was minimal land impact and no meteorological reason for the article to exist. This could be easily summarized in the season article. Noah, AA Talk 14:45, 26 January 2024 (UTC)
While this storm is a bit notable, the season section is very small and I believe this could be easily summarized there. Noah, AA Talk 14:11, 23 February 2024 (UTC)
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NHC TWOs
NHC Tropical Cyclone Advisories
Released today. No changes in intensity. - Weatherlover819 ( talk) 01:02, 13 June 2009 (UTC)
Why are people not adding a sub title to the issuance of TCRs? - 116.41.19.54 ( talk) 00:09, 3 October 2009 (UTC)
Bill held peak intensity of 115 kts (no change) for 30 hours -- Anh ami rak 21:07, 23 October 2009 (UTC)
Released Friday, three days ago! Nothing changed. -- Anh ami rak 23:02, 26 October 2009 (UTC)
It was released eight days ago! It lasted a week after degenerating into an remnant low. -- Anh ami rak 23:02, 26 October 2009 (UTC)
Released October 29, no changes in intensity. -- 12george1 ( talk) 21:36, 20 November 2009 (UTC)
Released yesterday, some changes needed in the article. - 123.215.14.182 ( talk) 13:22, 15 January 2010 (UTC)
What was the point of the text being cleared off most of the Tropical Cyclone related articles yesterday? I really would like to know because it was almost every acticle related to Tropical Cyclones. -- 12george1 ( talk) 18:13, 17 September 2009 (UTC)
Should I start on this? Eight caused nearly half inches of rain for parts of Cape Verde. HurricaneSpin Talk My contributions 19:38, 26 September 2009 (UTC)
Is Grace notable in any way, in the fact that it's formation location is further north than Vince's from 2005? If it is, I could add it to Grace's section on the main page. Hurricanekiller1994 ( talk) 16:30, 5 October 2009 (UTC)
As for a potential article, it DID have land effects in the Azores and stands to affect the British Isles (could we see history with it making landfall in Ireland?) CrazyC83 ( talk) 01:01, 6 October 2009 (UTC)
Theres no need for an article, it didnt have that much of an effect on the Azores and is a general fishspinner since it never made landfall. Jason Rees ( talk) 08:51, 6 October 2009 (UTC)
I would give it an article as it did affect the Azores with 50 MPH winds. Also this statement "ADDITIONAL INFORMATION ON THE REMNANTS OF GRACE CAN BE FOUND IN HIGH SEAS FORECASTS ISSUED BY THE UNITED KINGDOM METEOROLOGICAL OFFICE UNDER WMO HEADER WONT54 EGRR" It still can have affects on the UK (indirect). - Knowledgekid87 7:29, 6 October 2009 (AT)
No. The storm hasn't even dissipated yet, and once that happens, the storm can be open. We also don't need articles for everything, Atlantic basin or not.Mitch32( The Password is... See here!) 11:49, 6 October 2009 (UTC)
I wasn't saying that an article was needed, I just wanted to know if Grace was unique in any way. Hurricanekiller1994 ( talk) 21:38, 6 October 2009 (UTC)
Was Fred's remnant low actually the main cause of the southeast floods? I seem to remember that there was moisture already in the area while Fred was still off the Florida/Georgia coast, but I can't say I'm sure. The citation doesn't show anything about Fred, and I think it was separate from the flood, but I'd like someone to tell me if I'm right or wrong before changing anything on the article. -- 99.162.229.22 ( talk) 17:57, 5 October 2009 (UTC)
Per http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/text/refresh/MIATWOAT+shtml/061922.shtml. Not sure what consensus is for confirmed storms before their initial advisory, so I'm leaving off the page for now. - RunningOnBrains( talk) 19:26, 6 October 2009 (UTC)
It says in the season names section that Fred was used for the first time in 2009. The full name - Frederic - was previously used - and retired - in 1979. Should this be mentioned in the article somewhere there? 76.29.112.198 ( talk) 23:01, 15 October 2009 (UTC)
Some weeks ago the article's made clear in its lead that the season is below average. Actually, it was well below average those days. I havent followed this closely, but, has the situation varied over time in a way that it has become now an average season? If not, I think it should be stated again, same as the above average seasons state that in their lead.
Besides, according to this source (which on the face of it seems scholarly and interesting) "Global Tropical Cyclone ACE is the lowest since 1979". Probably some of the research in this web should be quoted as well.
I hope the gloom lovers are not whitewashing (or, actually, darkening) the whole thing... MOUNTOLIVE fedeli alla linea 01:34, 19 October 2009 (UTC)
Article currently says: "So far this season ties for record low activity with 1982 for lowest number of hurricanes forming in a season."
Isn't this crystal ball gazing?
If it is allowed, what else are we going to get? A record high of 100% of hurricanes being major hurricanes, no non major hurricanes ..... crandles ( talk) 19:35, 24 October 2009 (UTC)
I know people love to read about records for a season, but I think it would be best to wait to see what happens and once the season is over make the Records and statistics section. - Knowledgekid87 ( talk) 20:37, 5 November 2009 (UTC)
I was wondering if it is or isn't too early to create an article about Hurricane Ida. First, it is a land impacting storm and second we can use the Public Advisories to create the meteorological history. I also have a report about some impacts from Ida [3].
Thank you in advanced for your comments, -- 12george1 ( talk) 00:21, 6 November 2009 (UTC)
According to the NHC (600 AM CST): "DATA FROM NOAA DOPPLER RADAR AND SURFACE OBSERVATIONS INDICATE THAT THE CENTER OF TROPICAL STORM IDA MADE ITS FIRST LANDFALL AROUND 540 AM CST...1140 UTC...ON DAUPHIN ISLAND ALABAMA...WITH MAXIMUM SUSTAINED WINDS OF 45 MPH...75 KM/HR.", I have also found the 2nd for "JUST TO THE NORTHWEST OF BON SECOUR ALABAMA", are there any sources though for the other indirect landfall in "Venice, Louisiana" ??? - Knowledgekid87 ( talk) 18:54, 10 November 2009 (UTC)
Okay so I know the CNN source is saying that 54 people have died in flooding caused by Ida, however two other sources are saying it (the flooding) was casued by another low pressure system off the pacific coast and that ida mearly helped steer the low pressure system. Is there any right or wrong source here?
BBC - http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/8349333.stm "However, Ida, which passed to the east of El Salvador three days ago, is not thought to have caused the severe rains.
The BBC's weather centre said El Salvador's rains were caused by a separate, low pressure system."
CBC - http://www.cbc.ca/world/story/2009/11/08/hurricane-ida.html "Dave Roberts of the U.S. National Hurricane Center in Miami said while the presence of Hurricane Ida in the Caribbean may have played some indirect role in helping steer the system, the deaths are not directly linked to the hurricane" - Knowledgekid87 ( talk) 19:28, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
imnvho it is a ridiculous thing to deny. i assume the salvadorians know better then we wether the weather was worst in the east or the west. (basically i think we see a case of downplaying a serious threat in 'certain' (western) media). alJazeera does not even mention a pacific disturbance.i think they used salvadorese resources(11-9;). 24.132.171.225 ( talk) 06:32, 9 November 2009 (UTC)
Actually there was an EPAC disturbance during the last week. Jason Rees ( talk) 18:32, 9 November 2009 (UTC)
There are some changes that still need to be made on this issue. First, the article mentions the possibility that the Pacific low pressure system was steered by the Fujiwhara effect. There is no citation for this, and in fact the only places on the entire Internet saying this are this Wikipedia page and duplicates of it. Even if it's true, which I think is dubious, it is either speculative or the dreaded "independent research". Second, the "deaths" column in the table shows "1(124)" for Ida. These 124 deaths are not attributed to Hurricane Ida at this time and even considering them indirectly caused by the storm is a real stretch. Finally the reference at the end points to a CNN International article under the title "Ida kills 54 in El Salvador, heads for U.S. Gulf Coast" which was withdrawn just a few hours after initial publication of the story. The title of the article after the reports of deaths in El Salvador being caused by the hurricane were retracted is "Hurricane Ida moves into U.S. Gulf Coast". 216.80.110.88 ( talk) 04:05, 12 November 2009 (UTC)
An editor with good intentions added a storm with hurricane-force winds as a tropical system within the main page. I reverted it. Thegreatdr ( talk) 21:40, 20 November 2009 (UTC)
Would it be appropriate to replace the infobox and called this season over? -- 12george1 ( talk) 03:23, 30 November 2009 (UTC)
Instead of randomly tossing around huge numbers, would someone please provide a cite for damages? The bottom of the page lists a little over 2 million in total damages, most of that coming from Ida. Sticking 173 million in the infobox at top is completely inconsistent with that.-- Prosfilaes ( talk) 21:57, 9 December 2009 (UTC) Just havign a quick look through the articles for this season - it seems that the 173mill is correctly sourced in Idas article. Jason Rees ( talk) 22:50, 9 December 2009 (UTC)
Claudette is out; the Best Track ACE for the storm can now replace the Operational ACE. 173.57.117.239 ( talk) 06:18, 9 January 2010 (UTC)
This is a major change to the current 2009 AHS article. I want to see if anyone else wants the article to be similar to 2006 Atlantic hurricane season, where there is just a summary of the storms and then another article for a list of storms. If you don't get want I mean look this userpage and this one. -- 12george1 ( talk) 20:18, 13 January 2010 (UTC)
Please note that I've already completely the new version of the article and moved the older one to List of storms in the 2009 Atlantic hurricane season. Cyclonebiskit ( talk) 22:25, 16 February 2010 (UTC)
Umm, I was wondering if there are any candidates for reclassification into a tropical cyclone in post-season analysis. -- Weatherlover819 ( talk) 14:33, 20 January 2010 (UTC)
The WMO conference has come and gone, it appears there was no press release so no names were retired? I'm trying to confirm that though. CrazyC83 ( talk) 01:39, 16 March 2010 (UTC)
So this article and List of storms in the 2009 Atlantic hurricane season are just about the same. They are two different articles with the same information, just presented differently. The project recently came into an agreement that we should avoid that. Just sayin'. --♫ Hurricanehink ( talk) 01:02, 18 May 2011 (UTC)
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Fails WP:NWX since there was minimal land impact and no meteorological reason for the article to exist. This could be easily summarized in the season article. Noah, AA Talk 14:45, 26 January 2024 (UTC)
While this storm is a bit notable, the season section is very small and I believe this could be easily summarized there. Noah, AA Talk 14:11, 23 February 2024 (UTC)