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Is this page going to contain only results from the games or other features of the games eg. drugs scandals, injuries to notable athletes or protests etc? Do they count as 'highlights'? The winter olympics one linked has pretty much only results and the opening/closing ceremonies but does have some other info. Franmars ( talk) 09:21, 7 August 2008 (UTC)
Is the event where one Samoan boxer had to be carried off a stretcher in boxing good enough to be here? -- Howard the Duck 16:11, 9 August 2008 (UTC)
Some of the comments here have me concerned. The problem with "highlights" is who is deciding they are a highlight? One editor has already commented about going back after it is over and removing ones which weren't important. This seems to be like it is dancing dangerously with WP:NPOV and WP:OR. An argument could be made that any event being picked up by more than a couple sources could be considered a highlight. An editor, or editors going back and cherry picking the news items they like the most seems like a big problem to me. It seems that this type of page would be better left to wikinews and not wikipedia. Individual medal winners, notable stories, etc will already be covered on the respective nations/athletes/medal pages.-- Crossmr ( talk) 10:26, 11 August 2008 (UTC)
Are we using UTC, China Standard Time or some other time? CB ( ö) 00:30, 9 August 2008 (UTC)
The IOC only allows under 21 teams to participate and used FIFA and regional under 20 tournaments as qualifiers, see here: Football at the 2008 Summer Olympics - Men's qualification. Therefore we should referrer to FIFA U-20 World Cup FIFA under 20 World Cup champions as the reigning World Cup champions for the purposes. That means that Argentina NOT Italy should be listed. As Argentina won the FIFA U-20 World Cup in 2007, 2007 FIFA U-20 World Cup. —Preceding unsigned comment added by RabbleRouser ( talk • contribs) 20:44, 9 August 2008 (UTC)
I think we should list gold medal winners for every Olympic day alphabetically according to the sport involved. It would make the day tables easier to go through. It seems a bit chaotic this way, with entries put in chronological order by the times they were won. So for instance, the table for Day 2 could have Korea women's archery medal on top, followed by cycling, diving, fencing, judo, swimming and weightlifting medals. Also, we need to set a clear policy regarding team sports and events involving more than one competitor. I suggest that events involving one or two competitors are listed the way they are, while events involving 3 or more (including team sports such as handball, football, relays and so forth) should have all members of the team listes in smaller font size, with 3 or 4 competitors per line. Just to make things tidy. Timbouctou ( talk) 20:41, 10 August 2008 (UTC)
Here's the table of medal awarding events for Day 03, August 11. It's alphabetically ordered by sport and event and is ready to be used for the upcoming day. Simply a matter of filling in the blanks with names and references. It should save some time to everyone editing this article, so feel free to use it once the day starts :-) Timbouctou ( talk) 22:47, 10 August 2008 (UTC)
Gold Medalists | |||||
---|---|---|---|---|---|
Sport | Event | Competitor | NOC | Rec | Ref |
Archery | Men's team | ||||
Diving | Men's synchronised 10 m platform | ||||
Fencing | Women's foil | ||||
Judo | Men's 73 kg | ||||
Judo | Women's 57 kg | ||||
Shooting | Men's 10 m air rifle | ||||
Shooting | Women's trap | ||||
Swimming | Men's 100 m breaststroke | ||||
Swimming | Men's 4 x 100 m freestyle relay | ||||
Swimming | Women's 100 m butterfly | ||||
Swimming | Women's 400 m freestyle | ||||
Weightlifting | Men's 62 kg | ||||
Weightlifting | Women's 58 kg |
--I went on ahead and wrote up day 4's gold medal events as such and posted them on the article. If anyone decides it's too early please post the code here before you get all deletionist on me. - preschooler @ heart 05:08, 11 August 2008 (UTC)
After a little over two days this page is 27k with over 40 footnotes. Multiplied by 8 - for 16 days - that will be over 200k and over 300 footnotes. This is far excessive of what is recommended for WP articles, any suggestions for how to make it more acceptable in the long run? Lampman ( talk) 03:27, 11 August 2008 (UTC)
Split the list of gold medalists on a separate article. -- Howard the Duck 05:12, 11 August 2008 (UTC)
Ok, I don't wanna be Chicken Little here, but once the article size does get into the sextuplet digits, here are some of the suggestions that have been made to reduce it:
Lampman ( talk) 02:10, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
Do people feel that Olympic Records are enough of a highlight to be included in the bullet-points here? My own opinions is that the Olympics are only held every 4 years, so it's almost a certainty that the Olympic Record will be broken in nearly every event. World records, on the other hand, are a much more significant achievement, and do deserve special highlighting. Bluap ( talk) 04:59, 11 August 2008 (UTC)
Can someone add how many records were broken in this olympics it could be interesting. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 196.209.58.40 ( talk) 14:28, 17 August 2008 (UTC)
It's a given that this'll be targeted for AFD so I'd suggest the editors here also add something to the portal above. The thing is the references are not on footnote style but inline style. And the page has no size restrictions since technically it's not an article. – Howard the Duck 03:53, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
If anything, during the duration of the Games, we should put the current day at the top, then every previous day in the reverse order, kind of like Recent Deaths. Chanheigeorge ( talk) 10:49, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
I believe that their first medal should be mentioned on this page as the same was done for Togo today. I am new and therefore am not comfortable making this edit myself. I am sorry if this is a misuse of the talk page but I think this issue should be resolved. -- Weather130 ( talk) 17:54, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
Hi Jao. I noticed you removed the gymnastics bit from August 12. I added it especially because the US not at all expected to medal, and the Chinese were under extreme pressure to win. Also, if this is not worthy of inclusion in the article, why do we list stuff like, "Norway qualifies for the quarterfinals of the women's football tournament with a 1–0 win over New Zealand" or other seemingly routine scores? Thanks, Fang Aili talk 20:17, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
Why was the link take off the main page? It is really useful right now. Thankyoubaby ( talk) 23:08, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
OK, this has been brought up a few times, both around the ITN pages and during the recent AfD adventure, but since we are discussing this page, here is probably the best place. "Highlights" is probably not the best title, as regardless of the content of the page, it brings up problems of OR and NPOV. Results, is not the best title either really, regardless of my own comments before on other pages. Perhaps something like "Chronological coverage of the 2008 Summer Olympics" or "2008 Summer Olympics by day". Random 89 08:22, 13 August 2008 (UTC)
since the start was Aug 6, I've added days -2 and -1, as the first day of competition is a notable highlight, I've indicated it. As the first day of competition outside of the China Olympic NOC zone is also notable, I've listed it at Day 0 with Hong Kong's start of events. 70.55.86.69 ( talk) 11:03, 13 August 2008 (UTC)
WTF? How could anyone be confused by calling it football? Even Americans (and I am one) realize that everybody else calls it football. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 204.69.139.16 ( talk) 22:04, 14 August 2008 (UTC)
More Americans use wikipedia by far than the brits so we should use the terms that is more widely reconized , i.e. soccer.
The ioc sucks also —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.206.181.241 ( talk) 03:13, 22 August 2008 (UTC)
Because it seems like the highlights on this page are completely arbitrary, I thought it might be better if we at least tried to set up standards for mention. From my sandbox come possible guidelines for past, current, and future highlights:
1Verifiable news stories must be reported by reliable sources in at least 3 countries. { CB ( ö) 03:47, 15 August 2008 (UTC)}
Can someone please put in a table for the 85 kilogram men's weightlifting results--for the winners of the gold, silver and bronze in this page? According to this, Lu Yong of China won the gold medal but who won silver & bronze: [1]
Can someone please place the final results of Equestrian team jumping here: [2] According to this, the US won gold first and I believe Canada won silver from this source. But there is no official posted results table and I don't know who won bronze. Thank You, Leoboudv ( talk) 20:15, 18 August 2008 (UTC)
when was the last time the same man held both the 100 and 200 WRs? This should be added to Bolt's entry. Nergaal ( talk) 15:57, 20 August 2008 (UTC)
I have an issue with this highlight:
"In a major upset, Belgium's Tia Hellebaut wins the women's high jump event, defeating the favourite and world champion Blanka Vlasic of Croatia and ending Vlasic's run of 38 wins in international competition."
While I agree that that could certainly be important enough to include on this page, why do we have to refer to it as a "major upset?" To repeat what I wrote on Hongooi's talk page, how does a "major" upset is different from a "minor" upset? Who determines which upsets are major, which are minor and which just aren't upsets at all? What set of criteria are used? How can we, as Wikipedia editors, try and be more objective and separate a news report's point of view from a set of basic facts? Does it even matter if the upset was major or minor or even an upset at all; is it encyclopedically relevant? Can't we just let the facts speak for themselves? If so and so was a favourite to win, and someone else beat them, why can't we leave it up to the reader to decide if there was an upset and, if so, to what degree?
Looking at that information, two reasonable people with all the facts could disagree on how upsetting that was. Why can it not just remain "Belgium's Tia Hellebaut wins the women's high jump event, defeating the favourite and world champion Blanka Vlasic of Croatia and ending Vlasic's run of 38 wins in international competition"? Any reader can decide for themselves how they feel, they don't need Wikipedia to tell them how big of an upset it was. Cheers, CP 16:13, 23 August 2008 (UTC)
I think that this page has been a spectacular success, and would like to thank everyone who has kept it up-to-date. Now that the games are over, we need to start thinking about the long-term position. I would therefore like to suggest renaming this page to Chronological Summary of the 2008 Summer Olympics. Granted, there needs to be some clean-up, but I think that we are well on the way to a having very good article, and might even hope for eventual status as a featured list Bluap ( talk) 16:36, 24 August 2008 (UTC)
Four years on, the article is still in the present tense. These are not newspaper headlines, and the present historical does not sit well with formal tone.
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Is this page going to contain only results from the games or other features of the games eg. drugs scandals, injuries to notable athletes or protests etc? Do they count as 'highlights'? The winter olympics one linked has pretty much only results and the opening/closing ceremonies but does have some other info. Franmars ( talk) 09:21, 7 August 2008 (UTC)
Is the event where one Samoan boxer had to be carried off a stretcher in boxing good enough to be here? -- Howard the Duck 16:11, 9 August 2008 (UTC)
Some of the comments here have me concerned. The problem with "highlights" is who is deciding they are a highlight? One editor has already commented about going back after it is over and removing ones which weren't important. This seems to be like it is dancing dangerously with WP:NPOV and WP:OR. An argument could be made that any event being picked up by more than a couple sources could be considered a highlight. An editor, or editors going back and cherry picking the news items they like the most seems like a big problem to me. It seems that this type of page would be better left to wikinews and not wikipedia. Individual medal winners, notable stories, etc will already be covered on the respective nations/athletes/medal pages.-- Crossmr ( talk) 10:26, 11 August 2008 (UTC)
Are we using UTC, China Standard Time or some other time? CB ( ö) 00:30, 9 August 2008 (UTC)
The IOC only allows under 21 teams to participate and used FIFA and regional under 20 tournaments as qualifiers, see here: Football at the 2008 Summer Olympics - Men's qualification. Therefore we should referrer to FIFA U-20 World Cup FIFA under 20 World Cup champions as the reigning World Cup champions for the purposes. That means that Argentina NOT Italy should be listed. As Argentina won the FIFA U-20 World Cup in 2007, 2007 FIFA U-20 World Cup. —Preceding unsigned comment added by RabbleRouser ( talk • contribs) 20:44, 9 August 2008 (UTC)
I think we should list gold medal winners for every Olympic day alphabetically according to the sport involved. It would make the day tables easier to go through. It seems a bit chaotic this way, with entries put in chronological order by the times they were won. So for instance, the table for Day 2 could have Korea women's archery medal on top, followed by cycling, diving, fencing, judo, swimming and weightlifting medals. Also, we need to set a clear policy regarding team sports and events involving more than one competitor. I suggest that events involving one or two competitors are listed the way they are, while events involving 3 or more (including team sports such as handball, football, relays and so forth) should have all members of the team listes in smaller font size, with 3 or 4 competitors per line. Just to make things tidy. Timbouctou ( talk) 20:41, 10 August 2008 (UTC)
Here's the table of medal awarding events for Day 03, August 11. It's alphabetically ordered by sport and event and is ready to be used for the upcoming day. Simply a matter of filling in the blanks with names and references. It should save some time to everyone editing this article, so feel free to use it once the day starts :-) Timbouctou ( talk) 22:47, 10 August 2008 (UTC)
Gold Medalists | |||||
---|---|---|---|---|---|
Sport | Event | Competitor | NOC | Rec | Ref |
Archery | Men's team | ||||
Diving | Men's synchronised 10 m platform | ||||
Fencing | Women's foil | ||||
Judo | Men's 73 kg | ||||
Judo | Women's 57 kg | ||||
Shooting | Men's 10 m air rifle | ||||
Shooting | Women's trap | ||||
Swimming | Men's 100 m breaststroke | ||||
Swimming | Men's 4 x 100 m freestyle relay | ||||
Swimming | Women's 100 m butterfly | ||||
Swimming | Women's 400 m freestyle | ||||
Weightlifting | Men's 62 kg | ||||
Weightlifting | Women's 58 kg |
--I went on ahead and wrote up day 4's gold medal events as such and posted them on the article. If anyone decides it's too early please post the code here before you get all deletionist on me. - preschooler @ heart 05:08, 11 August 2008 (UTC)
After a little over two days this page is 27k with over 40 footnotes. Multiplied by 8 - for 16 days - that will be over 200k and over 300 footnotes. This is far excessive of what is recommended for WP articles, any suggestions for how to make it more acceptable in the long run? Lampman ( talk) 03:27, 11 August 2008 (UTC)
Split the list of gold medalists on a separate article. -- Howard the Duck 05:12, 11 August 2008 (UTC)
Ok, I don't wanna be Chicken Little here, but once the article size does get into the sextuplet digits, here are some of the suggestions that have been made to reduce it:
Lampman ( talk) 02:10, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
Do people feel that Olympic Records are enough of a highlight to be included in the bullet-points here? My own opinions is that the Olympics are only held every 4 years, so it's almost a certainty that the Olympic Record will be broken in nearly every event. World records, on the other hand, are a much more significant achievement, and do deserve special highlighting. Bluap ( talk) 04:59, 11 August 2008 (UTC)
Can someone add how many records were broken in this olympics it could be interesting. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 196.209.58.40 ( talk) 14:28, 17 August 2008 (UTC)
It's a given that this'll be targeted for AFD so I'd suggest the editors here also add something to the portal above. The thing is the references are not on footnote style but inline style. And the page has no size restrictions since technically it's not an article. – Howard the Duck 03:53, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
If anything, during the duration of the Games, we should put the current day at the top, then every previous day in the reverse order, kind of like Recent Deaths. Chanheigeorge ( talk) 10:49, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
I believe that their first medal should be mentioned on this page as the same was done for Togo today. I am new and therefore am not comfortable making this edit myself. I am sorry if this is a misuse of the talk page but I think this issue should be resolved. -- Weather130 ( talk) 17:54, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
Hi Jao. I noticed you removed the gymnastics bit from August 12. I added it especially because the US not at all expected to medal, and the Chinese were under extreme pressure to win. Also, if this is not worthy of inclusion in the article, why do we list stuff like, "Norway qualifies for the quarterfinals of the women's football tournament with a 1–0 win over New Zealand" or other seemingly routine scores? Thanks, Fang Aili talk 20:17, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
Why was the link take off the main page? It is really useful right now. Thankyoubaby ( talk) 23:08, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
OK, this has been brought up a few times, both around the ITN pages and during the recent AfD adventure, but since we are discussing this page, here is probably the best place. "Highlights" is probably not the best title, as regardless of the content of the page, it brings up problems of OR and NPOV. Results, is not the best title either really, regardless of my own comments before on other pages. Perhaps something like "Chronological coverage of the 2008 Summer Olympics" or "2008 Summer Olympics by day". Random 89 08:22, 13 August 2008 (UTC)
since the start was Aug 6, I've added days -2 and -1, as the first day of competition is a notable highlight, I've indicated it. As the first day of competition outside of the China Olympic NOC zone is also notable, I've listed it at Day 0 with Hong Kong's start of events. 70.55.86.69 ( talk) 11:03, 13 August 2008 (UTC)
WTF? How could anyone be confused by calling it football? Even Americans (and I am one) realize that everybody else calls it football. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 204.69.139.16 ( talk) 22:04, 14 August 2008 (UTC)
More Americans use wikipedia by far than the brits so we should use the terms that is more widely reconized , i.e. soccer.
The ioc sucks also —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.206.181.241 ( talk) 03:13, 22 August 2008 (UTC)
Because it seems like the highlights on this page are completely arbitrary, I thought it might be better if we at least tried to set up standards for mention. From my sandbox come possible guidelines for past, current, and future highlights:
1Verifiable news stories must be reported by reliable sources in at least 3 countries. { CB ( ö) 03:47, 15 August 2008 (UTC)}
Can someone please put in a table for the 85 kilogram men's weightlifting results--for the winners of the gold, silver and bronze in this page? According to this, Lu Yong of China won the gold medal but who won silver & bronze: [1]
Can someone please place the final results of Equestrian team jumping here: [2] According to this, the US won gold first and I believe Canada won silver from this source. But there is no official posted results table and I don't know who won bronze. Thank You, Leoboudv ( talk) 20:15, 18 August 2008 (UTC)
when was the last time the same man held both the 100 and 200 WRs? This should be added to Bolt's entry. Nergaal ( talk) 15:57, 20 August 2008 (UTC)
I have an issue with this highlight:
"In a major upset, Belgium's Tia Hellebaut wins the women's high jump event, defeating the favourite and world champion Blanka Vlasic of Croatia and ending Vlasic's run of 38 wins in international competition."
While I agree that that could certainly be important enough to include on this page, why do we have to refer to it as a "major upset?" To repeat what I wrote on Hongooi's talk page, how does a "major" upset is different from a "minor" upset? Who determines which upsets are major, which are minor and which just aren't upsets at all? What set of criteria are used? How can we, as Wikipedia editors, try and be more objective and separate a news report's point of view from a set of basic facts? Does it even matter if the upset was major or minor or even an upset at all; is it encyclopedically relevant? Can't we just let the facts speak for themselves? If so and so was a favourite to win, and someone else beat them, why can't we leave it up to the reader to decide if there was an upset and, if so, to what degree?
Looking at that information, two reasonable people with all the facts could disagree on how upsetting that was. Why can it not just remain "Belgium's Tia Hellebaut wins the women's high jump event, defeating the favourite and world champion Blanka Vlasic of Croatia and ending Vlasic's run of 38 wins in international competition"? Any reader can decide for themselves how they feel, they don't need Wikipedia to tell them how big of an upset it was. Cheers, CP 16:13, 23 August 2008 (UTC)
I think that this page has been a spectacular success, and would like to thank everyone who has kept it up-to-date. Now that the games are over, we need to start thinking about the long-term position. I would therefore like to suggest renaming this page to Chronological Summary of the 2008 Summer Olympics. Granted, there needs to be some clean-up, but I think that we are well on the way to a having very good article, and might even hope for eventual status as a featured list Bluap ( talk) 16:36, 24 August 2008 (UTC)
Four years on, the article is still in the present tense. These are not newspaper headlines, and the present historical does not sit well with formal tone.
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