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Is this really necessary? IvoShandor ( talk) 15:48, 26 January 2011 (UTC)
This macabre information has no encyclopedic value and I've removed it. I understand that others may disagree and even revert me but I demand that someone explain why we need this information in this article. ElKevbo ( talk) 05:51, 27 January 2011 (UTC)
It's not an issue of censorship but of good judgment and good taste. As someone already said, just because information is available that doesn't mean we have to include it in an article. I simply fail to see how this information is at all necessary and without such a justification I see no reason to include such macabre information. And I do think the bar for including information is higher when that information is understandably objectionable. Our goal is to inform, not gratuitously shock. ElKevbo ( talk) 06:55, 27 January 2011 (UTC)
So, where are we going with this? Since I originated the discussion (for the record I think extended detail of the injuries is completely beyond the scope of an encyclopedia), I felt I should try to prod it along. Does anyone else have any thoughts on the issue after reading the above discussion? IvoShandor ( talk) 14:24, 4 February 2011 (UTC)
Why is there a picture of the shooter but none of the victims? Shouldn't it be the other way around? That's exactly what the shooter wanted: to glorify himself and destroy others. This really bothers me. KevinLuna ( talk) 00:27, 23 October 2011 (UTC)
Sorry don't have a lot of info on this, however I did find a scan of a newspaper article on one of the victims. Parmenter was not enrolled in the class, however went to the class to be with his girlfriend. He was shot to death while lying on top of her to protect her: http://i.imgur.com/VOXC4.jpg — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.148.22.128 ( talk) 06:41, 15 February 2012 (UTC)
Under the heading "Shooting" the class being held in Cole hall where the shooting occurred is listed as being an oceanography class, yet under "Reaction" it is listed as geology. The article scanned by an IP user on the talk page lists the class as ocean science, which I admit is very like oceanography. The official report doesn't list the class, simply the fact that it was held in Cole Hall. Do we know what the class was? Can we make the article internally consistent? Spookiewon ( talk) 00:10, 2 March 2012 (UTC)
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Why do we need this detailed description of the police response when the shooter killed himself before they could get there anyway? Are we just trying to illustrate how very little the police can actually do to stop a shooter, even if they are useful for picking up the body parts once they finally arrive and decide to enter the building? AnnaGoFast ( talk) 23:20, 4 August 2016 (UTC)
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Is this really necessary? IvoShandor ( talk) 15:48, 26 January 2011 (UTC)
This macabre information has no encyclopedic value and I've removed it. I understand that others may disagree and even revert me but I demand that someone explain why we need this information in this article. ElKevbo ( talk) 05:51, 27 January 2011 (UTC)
It's not an issue of censorship but of good judgment and good taste. As someone already said, just because information is available that doesn't mean we have to include it in an article. I simply fail to see how this information is at all necessary and without such a justification I see no reason to include such macabre information. And I do think the bar for including information is higher when that information is understandably objectionable. Our goal is to inform, not gratuitously shock. ElKevbo ( talk) 06:55, 27 January 2011 (UTC)
So, where are we going with this? Since I originated the discussion (for the record I think extended detail of the injuries is completely beyond the scope of an encyclopedia), I felt I should try to prod it along. Does anyone else have any thoughts on the issue after reading the above discussion? IvoShandor ( talk) 14:24, 4 February 2011 (UTC)
Why is there a picture of the shooter but none of the victims? Shouldn't it be the other way around? That's exactly what the shooter wanted: to glorify himself and destroy others. This really bothers me. KevinLuna ( talk) 00:27, 23 October 2011 (UTC)
Sorry don't have a lot of info on this, however I did find a scan of a newspaper article on one of the victims. Parmenter was not enrolled in the class, however went to the class to be with his girlfriend. He was shot to death while lying on top of her to protect her: http://i.imgur.com/VOXC4.jpg — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.148.22.128 ( talk) 06:41, 15 February 2012 (UTC)
Under the heading "Shooting" the class being held in Cole hall where the shooting occurred is listed as being an oceanography class, yet under "Reaction" it is listed as geology. The article scanned by an IP user on the talk page lists the class as ocean science, which I admit is very like oceanography. The official report doesn't list the class, simply the fact that it was held in Cole Hall. Do we know what the class was? Can we make the article internally consistent? Spookiewon ( talk) 00:10, 2 March 2012 (UTC)
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Why do we need this detailed description of the police response when the shooter killed himself before they could get there anyway? Are we just trying to illustrate how very little the police can actually do to stop a shooter, even if they are useful for picking up the body parts once they finally arrive and decide to enter the building? AnnaGoFast ( talk) 23:20, 4 August 2016 (UTC)
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Northern Illinois University shooting → 2008 Northern Illinois University shooting – Per WP:NCE: when, where, and what happened. Also, per many other article titles for many other school shootings across decades. Corgi Stays ( talk) 02:47, 25 October 2023 (UTC) — Relisting. Polyamorph ( talk) 11:22, 2 November 2023 (UTC)