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There isn't a source for the Heidfeld, Alonso, Kubica incident because it is non-existent. It was probably made up by some Lewis Hamilton fanboy who's jealous that their precious driver broke the rules. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.70.161.157 ( talk) 17:05, 7 September 2008 (UTC)
I'd like to see a source for that other investigation, regarding Heidfeld and others.-- 80.216.109.30 ( talk) 15:13, 7 September 2008 (UTC)
This isn't the place for this discussion, just to say that Ferrari did not complain, and I can provide a source if it's required in an article. Bretonbanquet ( talk) 22:38, 7 September 2008 (UTC)
I don't care if your a Ferrari or McLarren fan, but please dont bias this page by saying 'Unshameful victory for Massa' or 'Hamilton stolen of a win'. Thank-you. 11rey619 ( talk) 10:33, 8 September 2008 (UTC)
Shouldn't it be "+2 Laps" instead of "Spun off"? – Howard the Duck 02:30, 8 September 2008 (UTC)
Actually, if we go by the standard used in the 2008 Australian GP article then both Kimi and Heikki should be listed as Accident and Transmission respectively. If no one objects then I'll make the change. On a different note can we please keep bickering about the race to forums not related to Wiki? -- Rubiksphere ( talk) 10:44, 8 September 2008 (UTC)
I have been watching F1 since the 1980s, and I have no recollection of a penalty being given for cutting a corner when gained places have been given back. Can anyone else think of any? Also, if anyone has the knowledge, this would be a good time to introduce an article about F1 stewards and their selection. It isn't Wikipedia's job to make a judgement about the 25 second penalty decision, but it ABSOLUTELY IS Wikipedia's job to provide information about it. -- New Thought ( talk) 13:21, 8 September 2008 (UTC)
I am very bad at editing wiki pages, so I will post this here. McLaren has lodged a notice of appeal on the 25-second penalty to Hamilton, I thought it should be in the article. Here is the source. -- 64.230.27.42 ( talk) 17:48, 9 September 2008 (UTC)
Does anyone else think that there is enough information out there about this whole incident and the aftermath that it could be expanded into its own page? I could further expand it here but the relevence to the Grand Prix itself on this page would wane. Apterygial ( talk) 06:28, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
As has been pointed out a few places online, the rule under which the stewards penalized Hamilton was not for "gaining an advantage". It was simply for leaving the track in the first place. You can read the regulations [2]. Section 30.3(a) says "During practice and the race, drivers may use only the track and must at all times observe the provisions of the Code relating to driving behaviour on circuits." and Annex L, Chapter 4, Section 2(g) says "The race track alone shall be used by the drivers during the race." It makes no reference to "gaining an advantage" or any other offense. So it appears that the second Hamilton (or anyone else) left the track they were subject to a penalty from the stewards under this catch-all provision. It's possible that there is a specific "gaining an advantage" codified in the rules, but I didn't dig through the rulebook as it is rather extensive. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.207.159.21 ( talk) 00:50, 19 October 2008 (UTC)
Unless anyone has any problem with it, I will list the article for Good Article nomination (F1 needs more of these) here. No major improvements to the article (that I can see) can be made at this point. Apterygial ( talk) 06:10, 4 October 2008 (UTC)
Well the article is incorrect as many have pointed out here; the rules Hamilton was cited for breaking were simply not about "gaining and advantage" but rather for leaving the designated race track. What the reaction/outrage is therefore truly about is why Hamilton alone was penalised for leaving the track on this day when clearly other drivers has also infringed this rule. It would be worth pointing out as well that no driver has ever before or since been penalised under this rule. Truly this penalty was a historic land mark in F1 from this perspective and the article currently misses its significance entirely!
I have created separate sections taking into account two things: (a) Appeal and Reaction sections describe entirely separate events and not part of post race proceedings. (b) To accommodate Glock penalty properly. Also, the section Appeal might need a better title. Leave Sleaves talk 20:59, 25 October 2008 (UTC)
Incidentally, I know both F1 FAs have background in the report section, but does it really belong there? It's not part of the racing weekend, and given Post Race has its own section, shouldn't pre-race have one too? Apterygial ( talk) 10:40, 26 October 2008 (UTC)
I have just found this picture (I probably should have sooner, as it is on the F1 portal). Is there anywhere we could include it in the article? I think it's such a good shot, it should be there somewhere. Apterygial ( talk) 05:43, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
Right. It appears that you guys are pushing for FA with this article. I strongly suggest looking at current FA's 1995 Pacific Grand Prix and 1995 Japanese Grand Prix for examples of featured article style race-reports. Here's what I think of the article at the moment (structure wise):
There's my thoughts on the article. Hope this helps. D.M.N. ( talk) 17:14, 8 November 2008 (UTC)
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There isn't a source for the Heidfeld, Alonso, Kubica incident because it is non-existent. It was probably made up by some Lewis Hamilton fanboy who's jealous that their precious driver broke the rules. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.70.161.157 ( talk) 17:05, 7 September 2008 (UTC)
I'd like to see a source for that other investigation, regarding Heidfeld and others.-- 80.216.109.30 ( talk) 15:13, 7 September 2008 (UTC)
This isn't the place for this discussion, just to say that Ferrari did not complain, and I can provide a source if it's required in an article. Bretonbanquet ( talk) 22:38, 7 September 2008 (UTC)
I don't care if your a Ferrari or McLarren fan, but please dont bias this page by saying 'Unshameful victory for Massa' or 'Hamilton stolen of a win'. Thank-you. 11rey619 ( talk) 10:33, 8 September 2008 (UTC)
Shouldn't it be "+2 Laps" instead of "Spun off"? – Howard the Duck 02:30, 8 September 2008 (UTC)
Actually, if we go by the standard used in the 2008 Australian GP article then both Kimi and Heikki should be listed as Accident and Transmission respectively. If no one objects then I'll make the change. On a different note can we please keep bickering about the race to forums not related to Wiki? -- Rubiksphere ( talk) 10:44, 8 September 2008 (UTC)
I have been watching F1 since the 1980s, and I have no recollection of a penalty being given for cutting a corner when gained places have been given back. Can anyone else think of any? Also, if anyone has the knowledge, this would be a good time to introduce an article about F1 stewards and their selection. It isn't Wikipedia's job to make a judgement about the 25 second penalty decision, but it ABSOLUTELY IS Wikipedia's job to provide information about it. -- New Thought ( talk) 13:21, 8 September 2008 (UTC)
I am very bad at editing wiki pages, so I will post this here. McLaren has lodged a notice of appeal on the 25-second penalty to Hamilton, I thought it should be in the article. Here is the source. -- 64.230.27.42 ( talk) 17:48, 9 September 2008 (UTC)
Does anyone else think that there is enough information out there about this whole incident and the aftermath that it could be expanded into its own page? I could further expand it here but the relevence to the Grand Prix itself on this page would wane. Apterygial ( talk) 06:28, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
As has been pointed out a few places online, the rule under which the stewards penalized Hamilton was not for "gaining an advantage". It was simply for leaving the track in the first place. You can read the regulations [2]. Section 30.3(a) says "During practice and the race, drivers may use only the track and must at all times observe the provisions of the Code relating to driving behaviour on circuits." and Annex L, Chapter 4, Section 2(g) says "The race track alone shall be used by the drivers during the race." It makes no reference to "gaining an advantage" or any other offense. So it appears that the second Hamilton (or anyone else) left the track they were subject to a penalty from the stewards under this catch-all provision. It's possible that there is a specific "gaining an advantage" codified in the rules, but I didn't dig through the rulebook as it is rather extensive. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.207.159.21 ( talk) 00:50, 19 October 2008 (UTC)
Unless anyone has any problem with it, I will list the article for Good Article nomination (F1 needs more of these) here. No major improvements to the article (that I can see) can be made at this point. Apterygial ( talk) 06:10, 4 October 2008 (UTC)
Well the article is incorrect as many have pointed out here; the rules Hamilton was cited for breaking were simply not about "gaining and advantage" but rather for leaving the designated race track. What the reaction/outrage is therefore truly about is why Hamilton alone was penalised for leaving the track on this day when clearly other drivers has also infringed this rule. It would be worth pointing out as well that no driver has ever before or since been penalised under this rule. Truly this penalty was a historic land mark in F1 from this perspective and the article currently misses its significance entirely!
I have created separate sections taking into account two things: (a) Appeal and Reaction sections describe entirely separate events and not part of post race proceedings. (b) To accommodate Glock penalty properly. Also, the section Appeal might need a better title. Leave Sleaves talk 20:59, 25 October 2008 (UTC)
Incidentally, I know both F1 FAs have background in the report section, but does it really belong there? It's not part of the racing weekend, and given Post Race has its own section, shouldn't pre-race have one too? Apterygial ( talk) 10:40, 26 October 2008 (UTC)
I have just found this picture (I probably should have sooner, as it is on the F1 portal). Is there anywhere we could include it in the article? I think it's such a good shot, it should be there somewhere. Apterygial ( talk) 05:43, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
Right. It appears that you guys are pushing for FA with this article. I strongly suggest looking at current FA's 1995 Pacific Grand Prix and 1995 Japanese Grand Prix for examples of featured article style race-reports. Here's what I think of the article at the moment (structure wise):
There's my thoughts on the article. Hope this helps. D.M.N. ( talk) 17:14, 8 November 2008 (UTC)
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