Hi. Can we include some links to past versions of the computer models, the ones that predicted Bertha's formation a week in advance, available from http://moe.met.fsu.edu/tcgengifs (or is that not reliable enough even to show that they predicted them in the first place)? Thanks. ~ A H 1( T C U) 16:46, 4 July 2008 (UTC)
In addition, although it is days away from being warranted (if at all operationally), I am wondering if a sandbox for an article should be initiated? CrazyC83 ( talk) 19:57, 5 July 2008 (UTC)
Sandbox. Feel free to expand it. I will update the storm history further. - CWY2190( talk • contributions) 22:11, 6 July 2008 (UTC)
The Link to the weather channel says that dean lasted 8.5 days, but the article says that Dean lasted 10 days. Does anyone know which one is right? -- Elena85 | Talk to Me | Arlene87 is now Elena85 21:06, 12 July 2008 (UTC)
Was 1916/02 a tropical storm on 9th and 10th of July? I think [1] indicates windspeeds of less than 35 on 9th and 10th July making the duration as a tropical storm only around 9 to 9.5 days but I could easily be misinterpreting that. Secondly does it count as a July storm having formed in June? Thirdly what is the highest ACE for a July storm and for a pre August storm? Anyway is it time to make Bertha the longest duration July tropical storm? crandles ( talk) 15:47, 14 July 2008 (UTC)
...BERTHA NOW THE LONGEST-LIVED JULY TROPICAL STORM IN HISTORY... -- RattleMan 21:23, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
Sandbox is ready for publication for when needed. I was figuring waiting for until it reached TS status, but TS warnings are up, so it's there. ♬♩ Hurricanehink ( talk) 04:59, 19 July 2008 (UTC)
Hi...I'm new, but...shouldn't the top right number on Bertha's info box be a 3 or larger, because that's its max intensity and we already have a "current" section describing it as Cat. 1? The same question goes for Bertha's pages--- 71.252.253.19 ( talk) 23:49, 19 July 2008 (UTC)
As we wait for the special advisory (the upgrade has been mentioned in the offshore waters forecast), I wonder if a sandbox should be started, since this will likely need an article pretty quickly. CrazyC83 ( talk) 15:34, 20 July 2008 (UTC)
I thick that a sandbox should be started as Dolly is expected to make landfall in Mexico sometime in it's life. -- Elena85 | Talk to Me | Arlene87 is now Elena85 16:56, 20 July 2008 (UTC)
Itfc+canes=me ( talk) 17:15, 20 July 2008 (UTC)
We just need to try to find stuff on its precursor wave - after all they flew several Recon missions and it produced tropical storm winds before developing a circulation. CrazyC83 ( talk) 18:06, 20 July 2008 (UTC)
Dolly is Very Damaging If the Damage Estimates are Accurate. Dolly might be retired for this year? -- 69.124.189.120 ( talk) 23:30, 24 July 2008 (UTC)
Klaus was requested to be retired by Martinique. I'm not sure about Dolly though - It struck more than 4 months ago, and the 1.5 billion is still there. If Dolly caused less than 1.5 billion in damage, it probrably would have been announced earlier because there would be less damage to acess, if you get my point. 76.235.165.167 ( talk) 16:04, 6 December 2008 (UTC)
The first from the Atlantic hurricane season is out. It backs up the starting point over 12 hours from the operational estimate (which was not unexpected). CrazyC83 ( talk) 00:21, 30 July 2008 (UTC)
I created a page for Tropical Storm Edouard since a warning was posted. Hurricaneguy ( talk) 22:34, 3 August 2008 (UTC)
Has this tropical wave produced any "impacts" in the Lesser/Greater Antilles? If/when it becomes a TD/TS having some pre-formation impacts might be a nice touch. Plasticup T/ C 02:51, 15 August 2008 (UTC)
Couple of questions; if the column is titled landfalls, then why are "no landfall" cases listed? Also, given that ACE is constantly changing, should it be visible already? Might be worth hiding for now? - JVG ( talk) 12:04, 23 August 2008 (UTC)
I see that someone has added a Cat1 landfall for Little Cayman, but I don't see any record of landfall in the NHC's archives on Gustav. The track shows that the eye passed between Grand Cayman and Little Cayman. It was a direct hit in that Little Cayman was inside the area of hurricane force winds, but the map indicates that there was no landfall, and none of the advisories mention a landfall. Can anyone produce a source for this? In the meantime, since the NHC materials seem to indicate that eye of the storm missed Little Cayman by a large margin, I'm changing the entry to indicate a direct hit with no landfall. DOSGuy ( talk) 19:25, 30 August 2008 (UTC)
Come play in my sandbox. Plasticup T/ C 16:07, 25 August 2008 (UTC)
The article claims that "Some forecasters question whether Arthur's very short lifespan would have been reported and named in the years prior to today's technology." The source given for was the comments page of some guy's blog, with no indication as to which of the 951 comments back up the statement. This is not a reliable source so I have removed the reference and added a Who? tag. Dricherby ( talk) 12:38, 27 August 2008 (UTC)
Premature IMO. It is no immediate threat to land and there is always the possibility it might fizzle before threatening land. 96L (the Campeche blob which IMO is a TD right now) is more warranting at this moment I believe. CrazyC83 ( talk) 17:00, 28 August 2008 (UTC)
With Gustav and Hanna, and maybe two more storms brewing out in the Atlantic, looks like the 2008 season is kicking into gear. Hope you guys are ready for a busy autumn! 68.8.80.43 ( talk) 17:43, 28 August 2008 (UTC)
The article says that this seasons has two "major hurricanes (storms exceeding Category 3 strength in the Saffir-Simpson Hurricane Scale)". But no storm has exceeded Category 3 yet; should it say at or above Category 3?-- Prosfilaes ( talk) 14:03, 30 August 2008 (UTC)
There seems to be an argument relating to the correct central pressure of Gustav. If anybody can provide a reliable source for it to be 935, I'd like to see it, because the latest advisory says its 945! Chris1193 ( talk) 19:19, 30 August 2008 (UTC)
Come play in my sandbox Itfc+canes=me ( talk) 14:48, 1 September 2008 (UTC)
The NHC are struggleing with advisorys.... shall we wait till after the offical advisory time to update? Itfc+canes=me ( talk) 09:04, 2 September 2008 (UTC)
Don't forget that the monthly summary for August is really late. :P -- 141.157.171.113 ( talk) 00:33, 6 September 2008 (UTC)
The history of the page right before now is a mess; perhaps it would be better if in the future for an update like this (where Tropical Storm Ike became Hurricane Ike) most of us backed off and the person updating it made a complete change in one edit, like CrazyC83 did. These partial edits look wrong, and we need to update the links to the advisory (our reference source) at the same time we're making the change.-- Prosfilaes ( talk) 21:04, 3 September 2008 (UTC)
I'm putting this message up so we can be sure to monitor the edits made by the I.P. User 125.60.235.231 ( talk). As you can see from his contributions list, he has made frequent misguided and/or unconstructive edits to this and other pages, most or all of which have been reverted and assumed good faith without warnings. However, the number and frequency of edits has led me to place a good faith warning on his talk page. Please be sure to notify this user if he continues to make unconstructive edits. Thanks, CB ( ö) 03:24, 4 September 2008 (UTC)
As of 11pm EDT, September 3, Gustav is still active. Just because the NHC has stopped monitoring the system does not mean it has dissipated! The Hydrometeorological Prediction Center is still tracking the tropical depression. Please stop changing the infobox/active systems/dissipation date/etc until the HPC does so first. Plasticup T/ C 03:59, 4 September 2008 (UTC)
The weather station said that Josephine was a Category 1 Hurricane as of 11:39am. Should this be changed, or was I misinformed? Stooben Rooben ( talk) 18:56, 4 September 2008 (UTC)
You were misinformed,if you want to check, go to http://www.nhc.noaa.gov and click on the icon for Josephine and go to Archive and find the advisories after 5pm yesterday -- Elena85 | Talk to Me | 1000 edits!!!' 19:07, 4 September 2008 (UTC)
It would be nice if a sentence was added after current information that said whether the storm was expected to strengthen/weaken/sustain over the next couple days. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 63.86.160.62 ( talk) 19:07, 5 September 2008 (UTC)
What names do you think will be retired from this season?
My guess is:
Gustav--obvious choice Dolly-- said to be one of the most destructive hurricanes in texas since rita Fay--stronger than allison, said to have extreme damage Hanna- 535 deaths —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.251.28.178 ( talk) 19:21, 6 September 2008 (UTC)
-- Elena85 | Talk to Me | 1000 edits!!!' 19:29, 6 September 2008 (UTC)
I will stop but those storms are the ones that I think are possible. -- Elena85 | Talk to Me | 1000 edits!!!' 20:38, 6 September 2008 (UTC)
Remember we are here to document. If someone who is an acknowledged expert makes a statement about storm retirement, then it is appropriate to say "Dr. Such and such has said that if Hanna isn't retire the world is a sad place." Etc. 66.31.217.132 ( talk) 16:56, 14 September 2008 (UTC)
-- Elena85 | Talk to Me | 1800 edits!!!' 20:02, 19 September 2008 (UTC)
There are a lot of uploaders who didn't put the time (in UTC) and date of when the image is taken. Tropical cyclone images are supposed to be like this right? E.g like TS Fay "Fay_19 aug_2008_1615Z.jpg". Irfan Faiz 21:19, 7 September 2008 (UTC)
I thought the 500+ number was proven to be a gross overestimate several days ago. I put in the latest totals I can find with sources forthcoming, but there seems to be a lot of confusion on how many people Hanna has actually killed, and I'm sure Ike won't help any. bob rulz ( talk) 06:36, 8 September 2008 (UTC)
After multiple vandal attacks. Should we protect this article? -- Irfan Faiz 13:45, 9 September 2008 (UTC)
If you read back on some of the public advisories for Hurricane Ike, it clearly states that the eye passed directly over both the Turks and Caicos islands, and Great Inagua Island, Bahamas. Hurricane Hanna also made two other New England Landfalls, one near Islip New York, and the other near New Haven Connecticut as a tropical storm, not extratropical. Cyclonebiskit ( talk) 19:16, 9 September 2008 (UTC)
How do you get a direct hit that isn't a landfall? Surely it's not direct in such a case. Also, why would such be listed in a column titled "Landfalls". The fact they're listed is misleading. - JVG ( talk) 16:11, 11 September 2008 (UTC)
For better or for worse, the Hurricane Ike article currently resides at Hurricane Ike, not Hurricane Ike (2008). Discussions about the name of that article are appropriate on its talk page, not in the comments of this article. Or, if you think the policy of generally fixing double redirects is wrong, read this and then take the discussion here. -- AdamRoach ( talk) 18:09, 14 September 2008 (UTC)
Hi. Can we include some links to past versions of the computer models, the ones that predicted Bertha's formation a week in advance, available from http://moe.met.fsu.edu/tcgengifs (or is that not reliable enough even to show that they predicted them in the first place)? Thanks. ~ A H 1( T C U) 16:46, 4 July 2008 (UTC)
In addition, although it is days away from being warranted (if at all operationally), I am wondering if a sandbox for an article should be initiated? CrazyC83 ( talk) 19:57, 5 July 2008 (UTC)
Sandbox. Feel free to expand it. I will update the storm history further. - CWY2190( talk • contributions) 22:11, 6 July 2008 (UTC)
The Link to the weather channel says that dean lasted 8.5 days, but the article says that Dean lasted 10 days. Does anyone know which one is right? -- Elena85 | Talk to Me | Arlene87 is now Elena85 21:06, 12 July 2008 (UTC)
Was 1916/02 a tropical storm on 9th and 10th of July? I think [1] indicates windspeeds of less than 35 on 9th and 10th July making the duration as a tropical storm only around 9 to 9.5 days but I could easily be misinterpreting that. Secondly does it count as a July storm having formed in June? Thirdly what is the highest ACE for a July storm and for a pre August storm? Anyway is it time to make Bertha the longest duration July tropical storm? crandles ( talk) 15:47, 14 July 2008 (UTC)
...BERTHA NOW THE LONGEST-LIVED JULY TROPICAL STORM IN HISTORY... -- RattleMan 21:23, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
Sandbox is ready for publication for when needed. I was figuring waiting for until it reached TS status, but TS warnings are up, so it's there. ♬♩ Hurricanehink ( talk) 04:59, 19 July 2008 (UTC)
Hi...I'm new, but...shouldn't the top right number on Bertha's info box be a 3 or larger, because that's its max intensity and we already have a "current" section describing it as Cat. 1? The same question goes for Bertha's pages--- 71.252.253.19 ( talk) 23:49, 19 July 2008 (UTC)
As we wait for the special advisory (the upgrade has been mentioned in the offshore waters forecast), I wonder if a sandbox should be started, since this will likely need an article pretty quickly. CrazyC83 ( talk) 15:34, 20 July 2008 (UTC)
I thick that a sandbox should be started as Dolly is expected to make landfall in Mexico sometime in it's life. -- Elena85 | Talk to Me | Arlene87 is now Elena85 16:56, 20 July 2008 (UTC)
Itfc+canes=me ( talk) 17:15, 20 July 2008 (UTC)
We just need to try to find stuff on its precursor wave - after all they flew several Recon missions and it produced tropical storm winds before developing a circulation. CrazyC83 ( talk) 18:06, 20 July 2008 (UTC)
Dolly is Very Damaging If the Damage Estimates are Accurate. Dolly might be retired for this year? -- 69.124.189.120 ( talk) 23:30, 24 July 2008 (UTC)
Klaus was requested to be retired by Martinique. I'm not sure about Dolly though - It struck more than 4 months ago, and the 1.5 billion is still there. If Dolly caused less than 1.5 billion in damage, it probrably would have been announced earlier because there would be less damage to acess, if you get my point. 76.235.165.167 ( talk) 16:04, 6 December 2008 (UTC)
The first from the Atlantic hurricane season is out. It backs up the starting point over 12 hours from the operational estimate (which was not unexpected). CrazyC83 ( talk) 00:21, 30 July 2008 (UTC)
I created a page for Tropical Storm Edouard since a warning was posted. Hurricaneguy ( talk) 22:34, 3 August 2008 (UTC)
Has this tropical wave produced any "impacts" in the Lesser/Greater Antilles? If/when it becomes a TD/TS having some pre-formation impacts might be a nice touch. Plasticup T/ C 02:51, 15 August 2008 (UTC)
Couple of questions; if the column is titled landfalls, then why are "no landfall" cases listed? Also, given that ACE is constantly changing, should it be visible already? Might be worth hiding for now? - JVG ( talk) 12:04, 23 August 2008 (UTC)
I see that someone has added a Cat1 landfall for Little Cayman, but I don't see any record of landfall in the NHC's archives on Gustav. The track shows that the eye passed between Grand Cayman and Little Cayman. It was a direct hit in that Little Cayman was inside the area of hurricane force winds, but the map indicates that there was no landfall, and none of the advisories mention a landfall. Can anyone produce a source for this? In the meantime, since the NHC materials seem to indicate that eye of the storm missed Little Cayman by a large margin, I'm changing the entry to indicate a direct hit with no landfall. DOSGuy ( talk) 19:25, 30 August 2008 (UTC)
Come play in my sandbox. Plasticup T/ C 16:07, 25 August 2008 (UTC)
The article claims that "Some forecasters question whether Arthur's very short lifespan would have been reported and named in the years prior to today's technology." The source given for was the comments page of some guy's blog, with no indication as to which of the 951 comments back up the statement. This is not a reliable source so I have removed the reference and added a Who? tag. Dricherby ( talk) 12:38, 27 August 2008 (UTC)
Premature IMO. It is no immediate threat to land and there is always the possibility it might fizzle before threatening land. 96L (the Campeche blob which IMO is a TD right now) is more warranting at this moment I believe. CrazyC83 ( talk) 17:00, 28 August 2008 (UTC)
With Gustav and Hanna, and maybe two more storms brewing out in the Atlantic, looks like the 2008 season is kicking into gear. Hope you guys are ready for a busy autumn! 68.8.80.43 ( talk) 17:43, 28 August 2008 (UTC)
The article says that this seasons has two "major hurricanes (storms exceeding Category 3 strength in the Saffir-Simpson Hurricane Scale)". But no storm has exceeded Category 3 yet; should it say at or above Category 3?-- Prosfilaes ( talk) 14:03, 30 August 2008 (UTC)
There seems to be an argument relating to the correct central pressure of Gustav. If anybody can provide a reliable source for it to be 935, I'd like to see it, because the latest advisory says its 945! Chris1193 ( talk) 19:19, 30 August 2008 (UTC)
Come play in my sandbox Itfc+canes=me ( talk) 14:48, 1 September 2008 (UTC)
The NHC are struggleing with advisorys.... shall we wait till after the offical advisory time to update? Itfc+canes=me ( talk) 09:04, 2 September 2008 (UTC)
Don't forget that the monthly summary for August is really late. :P -- 141.157.171.113 ( talk) 00:33, 6 September 2008 (UTC)
The history of the page right before now is a mess; perhaps it would be better if in the future for an update like this (where Tropical Storm Ike became Hurricane Ike) most of us backed off and the person updating it made a complete change in one edit, like CrazyC83 did. These partial edits look wrong, and we need to update the links to the advisory (our reference source) at the same time we're making the change.-- Prosfilaes ( talk) 21:04, 3 September 2008 (UTC)
I'm putting this message up so we can be sure to monitor the edits made by the I.P. User 125.60.235.231 ( talk). As you can see from his contributions list, he has made frequent misguided and/or unconstructive edits to this and other pages, most or all of which have been reverted and assumed good faith without warnings. However, the number and frequency of edits has led me to place a good faith warning on his talk page. Please be sure to notify this user if he continues to make unconstructive edits. Thanks, CB ( ö) 03:24, 4 September 2008 (UTC)
As of 11pm EDT, September 3, Gustav is still active. Just because the NHC has stopped monitoring the system does not mean it has dissipated! The Hydrometeorological Prediction Center is still tracking the tropical depression. Please stop changing the infobox/active systems/dissipation date/etc until the HPC does so first. Plasticup T/ C 03:59, 4 September 2008 (UTC)
The weather station said that Josephine was a Category 1 Hurricane as of 11:39am. Should this be changed, or was I misinformed? Stooben Rooben ( talk) 18:56, 4 September 2008 (UTC)
You were misinformed,if you want to check, go to http://www.nhc.noaa.gov and click on the icon for Josephine and go to Archive and find the advisories after 5pm yesterday -- Elena85 | Talk to Me | 1000 edits!!!' 19:07, 4 September 2008 (UTC)
It would be nice if a sentence was added after current information that said whether the storm was expected to strengthen/weaken/sustain over the next couple days. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 63.86.160.62 ( talk) 19:07, 5 September 2008 (UTC)
What names do you think will be retired from this season?
My guess is:
Gustav--obvious choice Dolly-- said to be one of the most destructive hurricanes in texas since rita Fay--stronger than allison, said to have extreme damage Hanna- 535 deaths —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.251.28.178 ( talk) 19:21, 6 September 2008 (UTC)
-- Elena85 | Talk to Me | 1000 edits!!!' 19:29, 6 September 2008 (UTC)
I will stop but those storms are the ones that I think are possible. -- Elena85 | Talk to Me | 1000 edits!!!' 20:38, 6 September 2008 (UTC)
Remember we are here to document. If someone who is an acknowledged expert makes a statement about storm retirement, then it is appropriate to say "Dr. Such and such has said that if Hanna isn't retire the world is a sad place." Etc. 66.31.217.132 ( talk) 16:56, 14 September 2008 (UTC)
-- Elena85 | Talk to Me | 1800 edits!!!' 20:02, 19 September 2008 (UTC)
There are a lot of uploaders who didn't put the time (in UTC) and date of when the image is taken. Tropical cyclone images are supposed to be like this right? E.g like TS Fay "Fay_19 aug_2008_1615Z.jpg". Irfan Faiz 21:19, 7 September 2008 (UTC)
I thought the 500+ number was proven to be a gross overestimate several days ago. I put in the latest totals I can find with sources forthcoming, but there seems to be a lot of confusion on how many people Hanna has actually killed, and I'm sure Ike won't help any. bob rulz ( talk) 06:36, 8 September 2008 (UTC)
After multiple vandal attacks. Should we protect this article? -- Irfan Faiz 13:45, 9 September 2008 (UTC)
If you read back on some of the public advisories for Hurricane Ike, it clearly states that the eye passed directly over both the Turks and Caicos islands, and Great Inagua Island, Bahamas. Hurricane Hanna also made two other New England Landfalls, one near Islip New York, and the other near New Haven Connecticut as a tropical storm, not extratropical. Cyclonebiskit ( talk) 19:16, 9 September 2008 (UTC)
How do you get a direct hit that isn't a landfall? Surely it's not direct in such a case. Also, why would such be listed in a column titled "Landfalls". The fact they're listed is misleading. - JVG ( talk) 16:11, 11 September 2008 (UTC)
For better or for worse, the Hurricane Ike article currently resides at Hurricane Ike, not Hurricane Ike (2008). Discussions about the name of that article are appropriate on its talk page, not in the comments of this article. Or, if you think the policy of generally fixing double redirects is wrong, read this and then take the discussion here. -- AdamRoach ( talk) 18:09, 14 September 2008 (UTC)