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Elections date may be changed and definitely fixed as soon as today or anyway in the next days. Keep pending to eventually adjust the date. Maximiliano .
Kihiu ( talk · contribs) just removed my addition of analysis from The Economist magazine ( diff) with the misleading edit summary "Fixed timeline section". Has there been some decision where context and subsectioning is now a "mistake? - Banyan Tree 23:10, 8 November 2007 (UTC)
As far as I'm aware the formal declaration of the result is not the very second where one presidential term ends and the next begins. Please see Wikipedia:Post-election edit war syndrome to be wary of the problems that have arisen when power has changed hands as the result of an election and umpteen edit wars have ensued. Timrollpickering ( talk) 16:08, 26 December 2007 (UTC)
There are a number of sources for the results - I think we should report as from the official Electoral commission. Wizzy… ☎ 07:06, 29 December 2007 (UTC)
Given that the results are actually in dispute, I would drop the loaded term 'official' and just report the figures while highlighting the source. This should be true for any election report in Wikipedia - including the disputed USA Presidential! Pacificbiblio ( talk) 17:07, 4 January 2008 (UTC)
Are the turnout figures of 5-10% in some areas normal? Nil Einne ( talk) 14:39, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
I have taken the liberty of merging the riots and election results together. I think it would be better to do so. JoshHuzzuh Talk 16:28, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
The figures given for the presidential election are NOT those which appear at the ECK website, which is given as the source. What is the ACTUAL source of these figures, and why is this source not given? Are these official figures or taken from a media source? This needs to be disclosed. If it is not I will delete the figures as UNSOURCED. Intelligent Mr Toad ( talk) 08:54, 1 January 2008 (UTC)
I feel that the entire wording on that section is horrendous. It doesn't meet the criteria, as there are grammar and spelling issues. Not to mention that it doesn't follow the style of the other sections. JoshHuzzuh Talk 12:42, 1 January 2008 (UTC)
As foreshadowed above, I have deleted the tables of results, which are unsourced. The only source mentioned is the ECK, but these figures do not appear at the ECK website. Intelligent Mr Toad ( talk) 14:34, 1 January 2008 (UTC)
It is obviously not just a Luo against Kikuyu pattern. Violence goes mainly against Kikuyus because they are identified with Kibaki who is Kikuyu and is perceived by non-Central Kenyans to be the one who stole the vote - but sadly that happens all over Kenya, See the reports about Kalenjin-dominated Eldoret or coastal Mombasa. -- Kipala ( talk) 17:38, 1 January 2008 (UTC)
Therein lies the problem - relying primarily on a single source. From much of my info, the original violence was not ethnically based but against rich government members/supporters. Some other sources worth citing
Guardian UK [1]
and also
Pambazuka News [2]
Pacificbiblio ( talk) 17:18, 4 January 2008 (UTC)
I forgot to add that the article should note that much of the violence is from the Kenyan police & perhaps even army (NRA troops) against civilians. The Kenyan police is not known for its civility nor as being above politics? [3] Pacificbiblio ( talk) 17:25, 4 January 2008 (UTC)
Clarified on the ethnic ("tribal") characteristics of the election and the aftermath. Kikuyu vs. Luo is a stupid scheme employed either by lazy journalists or editors who don`t like to bother their readers/audiences with a bit more complex reality. Widespread perception is rather "Highlands" against the rest of the country (or less tribal: fat big cats of an upper class sitting in nice walled homes and meeting in luxury hotels in Nairobi whipping up the tribal sentiments of their poor and uneducated countrymen in order to get a larger share of the national cake). As usual each gossip has some truth but still is stupid.-- Kipala ( talk) 07:18, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
Is there already enough content to create a separate article on the elections aftermath? This should be sufficiently covered. -- Tone 18:16, 1 January 2008 (UTC)
The article on the riots (especially the timeline) is much better than the section within this piece - may I suggest that the Timeline section replace this sections article together with a link? Pacificbiblio ( talk) 17:28, 4 January 2008 (UTC)
I think it is a nuisance to try to imitate the newspapers in an encyclopedia. What is the point of adding statements that change daily (like if Odinga calls a rally or calls it off?) Time will show later if and which of such calls have any relevance. For now it just pumps useless information into an article which makes it difficult to read. Wikipedia is full of such bloated articels and of course it does not happen that all of these are cleaned up. Just look at this one: Still all those opinion polls which do not add to the value of this article. Who is going to throw that out?-- Kipala ( talk) 14:18, 7 January 2008 (UTC)
Someone put them back. I saw this one
on the web and uploaded the screenshot (lets see for how long it survives). Did not see a comment in any newspaper on this - just more sluggish work of ECK or some recount? Very narrow margin now! -- Kipala ( talk) 11:21, 9 January 2008 (UTC)
The figures that the media is quoting come from the website of the Office of the Government Spokesman (see link in article). These are presumably official figures, although they may of course be fabrications. We still don't know why the ECK has stopped posting figures. Intelligent Mr Toad ( talk) 17:16, 9 January 2008 (UTC)
Check the constituency results on that page. For Nakuru Town,
PNU - Party of National Unity Lee Maiyani Kinyanjui 52,349 100%
Everyone else got zero votes. Nada, nothing. Wizzy… ☎ 07:30, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
National results - Kibaki's lead narrowed to
MWAI KIBAKI 3,270,433 PNU PARTY OF NATIONAL UNITY RAILA AMOLO ODINGA 3,230,063 ODM ORANGE DEMOCRATIC MOVEMENT
40,000 votes.
Results per Constituency still not updated, Provincial Results are there. Wizzy… ☎ 15:47, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
While these figures are somewhat more "official" than the Office of the Government Spokesman figures, they are well behind those figures. We have no way of knowing which is the more accurate or honest - either or both may be fabrications. The article should probably include both sets of figures. Intelligent Mr Toad ( talk) 03:41, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
Notice that I have split almost all of the "Aftermath" section into Civil unrest in Kenya (2007–present), where it should really be going. I didn't summarize very well, and you can help tweak that, but please do not readd the info without contacting me on my talk page. Editorofthewiki ( talk) 22:12, 1 February 2008 (UTC)
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Elections date may be changed and definitely fixed as soon as today or anyway in the next days. Keep pending to eventually adjust the date. Maximiliano .
Kihiu ( talk · contribs) just removed my addition of analysis from The Economist magazine ( diff) with the misleading edit summary "Fixed timeline section". Has there been some decision where context and subsectioning is now a "mistake? - Banyan Tree 23:10, 8 November 2007 (UTC)
As far as I'm aware the formal declaration of the result is not the very second where one presidential term ends and the next begins. Please see Wikipedia:Post-election edit war syndrome to be wary of the problems that have arisen when power has changed hands as the result of an election and umpteen edit wars have ensued. Timrollpickering ( talk) 16:08, 26 December 2007 (UTC)
There are a number of sources for the results - I think we should report as from the official Electoral commission. Wizzy… ☎ 07:06, 29 December 2007 (UTC)
Given that the results are actually in dispute, I would drop the loaded term 'official' and just report the figures while highlighting the source. This should be true for any election report in Wikipedia - including the disputed USA Presidential! Pacificbiblio ( talk) 17:07, 4 January 2008 (UTC)
Are the turnout figures of 5-10% in some areas normal? Nil Einne ( talk) 14:39, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
I have taken the liberty of merging the riots and election results together. I think it would be better to do so. JoshHuzzuh Talk 16:28, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
The figures given for the presidential election are NOT those which appear at the ECK website, which is given as the source. What is the ACTUAL source of these figures, and why is this source not given? Are these official figures or taken from a media source? This needs to be disclosed. If it is not I will delete the figures as UNSOURCED. Intelligent Mr Toad ( talk) 08:54, 1 January 2008 (UTC)
I feel that the entire wording on that section is horrendous. It doesn't meet the criteria, as there are grammar and spelling issues. Not to mention that it doesn't follow the style of the other sections. JoshHuzzuh Talk 12:42, 1 January 2008 (UTC)
As foreshadowed above, I have deleted the tables of results, which are unsourced. The only source mentioned is the ECK, but these figures do not appear at the ECK website. Intelligent Mr Toad ( talk) 14:34, 1 January 2008 (UTC)
It is obviously not just a Luo against Kikuyu pattern. Violence goes mainly against Kikuyus because they are identified with Kibaki who is Kikuyu and is perceived by non-Central Kenyans to be the one who stole the vote - but sadly that happens all over Kenya, See the reports about Kalenjin-dominated Eldoret or coastal Mombasa. -- Kipala ( talk) 17:38, 1 January 2008 (UTC)
Therein lies the problem - relying primarily on a single source. From much of my info, the original violence was not ethnically based but against rich government members/supporters. Some other sources worth citing
Guardian UK [1]
and also
Pambazuka News [2]
Pacificbiblio ( talk) 17:18, 4 January 2008 (UTC)
I forgot to add that the article should note that much of the violence is from the Kenyan police & perhaps even army (NRA troops) against civilians. The Kenyan police is not known for its civility nor as being above politics? [3] Pacificbiblio ( talk) 17:25, 4 January 2008 (UTC)
Clarified on the ethnic ("tribal") characteristics of the election and the aftermath. Kikuyu vs. Luo is a stupid scheme employed either by lazy journalists or editors who don`t like to bother their readers/audiences with a bit more complex reality. Widespread perception is rather "Highlands" against the rest of the country (or less tribal: fat big cats of an upper class sitting in nice walled homes and meeting in luxury hotels in Nairobi whipping up the tribal sentiments of their poor and uneducated countrymen in order to get a larger share of the national cake). As usual each gossip has some truth but still is stupid.-- Kipala ( talk) 07:18, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
Is there already enough content to create a separate article on the elections aftermath? This should be sufficiently covered. -- Tone 18:16, 1 January 2008 (UTC)
The article on the riots (especially the timeline) is much better than the section within this piece - may I suggest that the Timeline section replace this sections article together with a link? Pacificbiblio ( talk) 17:28, 4 January 2008 (UTC)
I think it is a nuisance to try to imitate the newspapers in an encyclopedia. What is the point of adding statements that change daily (like if Odinga calls a rally or calls it off?) Time will show later if and which of such calls have any relevance. For now it just pumps useless information into an article which makes it difficult to read. Wikipedia is full of such bloated articels and of course it does not happen that all of these are cleaned up. Just look at this one: Still all those opinion polls which do not add to the value of this article. Who is going to throw that out?-- Kipala ( talk) 14:18, 7 January 2008 (UTC)
Someone put them back. I saw this one
on the web and uploaded the screenshot (lets see for how long it survives). Did not see a comment in any newspaper on this - just more sluggish work of ECK or some recount? Very narrow margin now! -- Kipala ( talk) 11:21, 9 January 2008 (UTC)
The figures that the media is quoting come from the website of the Office of the Government Spokesman (see link in article). These are presumably official figures, although they may of course be fabrications. We still don't know why the ECK has stopped posting figures. Intelligent Mr Toad ( talk) 17:16, 9 January 2008 (UTC)
Check the constituency results on that page. For Nakuru Town,
PNU - Party of National Unity Lee Maiyani Kinyanjui 52,349 100%
Everyone else got zero votes. Nada, nothing. Wizzy… ☎ 07:30, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
National results - Kibaki's lead narrowed to
MWAI KIBAKI 3,270,433 PNU PARTY OF NATIONAL UNITY RAILA AMOLO ODINGA 3,230,063 ODM ORANGE DEMOCRATIC MOVEMENT
40,000 votes.
Results per Constituency still not updated, Provincial Results are there. Wizzy… ☎ 15:47, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
While these figures are somewhat more "official" than the Office of the Government Spokesman figures, they are well behind those figures. We have no way of knowing which is the more accurate or honest - either or both may be fabrications. The article should probably include both sets of figures. Intelligent Mr Toad ( talk) 03:41, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
Notice that I have split almost all of the "Aftermath" section into Civil unrest in Kenya (2007–present), where it should really be going. I didn't summarize very well, and you can help tweak that, but please do not readd the info without contacting me on my talk page. Editorofthewiki ( talk) 22:12, 1 February 2008 (UTC)
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