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On what basis will this be the 32nd election? There were many more elections before 1910, and it seems this number was arrived at by counting the number of elections mentioned in the infobox. THis needs to be renamed.-- Damac 13:51, 30 June 2006 (UTC)
Obviously,the author takes into consideration all the election after the Goudi Movement/coup, which is a very important turning point for Greek politics. Having said that, I agree with you, 19th century elections should be mentioned as well.-- XVA 11:48, 17 October 2006 (UTC)
I think the correct number is 12. The previous elections were the elections of the "kingdom of Greece" while since 1974 these are the elections of the "Hellenic Democracy". user:Panosfidis
Why the hell was this page renamed from Next Greek legislative election to Greek legislative election, 2007.
The fact is that this election must be held before March 2008. Until the government formally calls an election, everything else is pure speculation.
I'm going to formally propose that this renaming be reverted.-- Damac 15:57, 3 August 2007 (UTC)
Elections are going to be in September, so the naming is OK.. Alexhard 16:02, 17 August 2007 (UTC)
I think that as SYRIZA is the competing electoral coalition it should be mentioned alone at the header of the opinion polls. The fact that early polls counted only a part of the coalition (SYN) can be accommodated with a footnote. Thoughts? -- Michalis Famelis (talk) 19:43, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
With the election looming, I'm wondering whether it would be timely to start pages for each of the country's constituencies, as has been done for other countries (see Galway East (Dáil Éireann constituency) for example. As Greek constituencies largely conincide with the prefectures, should electoral information and lists be included in those articles (e.g. should we put lists of MPs, results, etc., into the existing Argolis article), or should there be seperate Argolis and Argolis (constituency) articles?
I'd appreciate some feedback on this. In the meantime I'm going to prepare a list of Greek constituencies.-- Damac 15:59, 1 September 2007 (UTC)
According to some media reports, 28 parties will be constesting the elections, although not all state wide. Here's the list (in Greek):
This might help in completing the list of parties and leaders. However, some of the parties are clearly run by collectives, mainly the leftwing ones. Which name should be included as the leader?-- Damac 14:16, 2 September 2007 (UTC)
moved this section here for discussion. I removed it from the article because is original research -- Magioladitis 14:18, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
Of the 27 polls made in Greece during 2007, twelve of them have taken place after the announcement of the 16th September's elections. The standard deviation in such a poll ( sample of 1,000-2,500 persons) whose distribution is approximated by a normal (Gauss) distribution is usually (for the two bigger parties) larger than 1.05%. The confidence interval 95% for the specific value of standard deviation is 2.05% (the corresponding values, which the companies themselves give, are larger). Assuming that the difference between the two biggest parties is the same from measurement to measurement, the distribution of the differences is a normal distribution with a standard deviation . Note that this value will be larger in the case we have different real differences from measurement to measurement. (Which is quite expected since the opinion polls are not made simultaneously). For the sample of 27 or that of 12 opinion polls that are mentioned above, we get that the standard deviation of the differences between the two biggest parties is 0.740% in the first sample and 0.494% in the second sample. These results deviate very much from the theoretic value 1.485%. Nevertheless, it is quite possible, especially for small samples like these of 27 or 12 opinion polls, to have deviations from the theoretic standard deviation. The set question we have to answer is the following: What is the probability to have the specific deviations for the specific sample numbers? It is very easy to be shown (e.g. Monte Carlo simulation) that the possibility for these deviations to be a random event is less than 0.1%. The latter result leads to the conclusion that it is almost impossible for so many opinion polls, with the specific errors they have, to provide results that are so close. |
Links with lists of candidates. Not needed anymore since we have the official announcement. -- Magioladitis 01:08, 9 September 2007 (UTC)
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1. Θεωρω σκοπιμο να μην συμπληρωθουν τα αποτελεσματα μεχρι αυριο το μεσημερι αφου ΜΟΝΟ τοτε θα εχουμε τα ΤΕΛΙΚΑ αποτελεσματα. Αυριο το πρωι θα εχουν τυπωθει διαφορες εφημεριδες με διαφορετικα αποτελεσματα η καθε μια. Καλο ειναι να μην εμπιστευθει ο καθενας την εφημεριδα του και συμπληρωσει αποτελεσματα που δεν ειναι εγκυρα. 2. Ας διατηρηθει το ιστορικο των εκλογων (δηλαδη τα οσα γραφτηκαν στη σελιδα μεχρι σημερα. Να μην μεινουν μονο τα αποτελεσματα αλλα να μεινουν και οι δημοσκοπησεις οι λιστες των κομματων κλπ κλπ. 3. Ο πινακας αποτελεσματων να μεταφερθει ψηλοτερα στη σελιδα. user:Panosfidis —Preceding signed but undated comment was added at 11:09, 16 September 2007 (UTC)
First, this is the English-language Wikipedia; please contribute in English. I think the page should be update as information comes in. Of course, once we get the final official results, these will be added, but in the meantime, we should mention exit polls (in a separate section) (these will be available at 7pm local time), and provisional results from the Ministry (expected at 10.30).-- Damac 11:58, 16 September 2007 (UTC)
We need an aftermath section with the developments in PASOK due to their (still projected) loss by 4.2 percent units difference to ND. George Andreas Papandreou announced he will ask to renew the confidence of his party members for his leadership, and Evangelos Venizelos declared "present" in this process. This is a major development in one of the two traditional "leadership parties" in Greece. Niko Silver 23:10, 16 September 2007 (UTC)
I've created an article on it at Panhellenic Socialist Movement leadership election, 2007. — Nightstallion 11:45, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
The official election website has one party which is not listed in the table here. It is abbreviated as Ανεξ. Υποψ. , but I don't know what that stands for. Can someone who knows about this party add it to the table at Template:Greek legislative election, 2007? Thanks. — Josiah Rowe ( talk • contribs) 05:33, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
It is not a party. It is the abbreviation of "Independent candidates", meaning every unaffiliated candidate, regardless of ideology or electoral periphery User:Dimadick
"I can read the Greek alphabet, but have very little knowledge of Modern Greek." As opposed to ancient, where it surely would've been something completely different? ·ΚέκρωΨ· 01:08, 18 September 2007 (UTC)
One of the first paragraphs says:
This is a bit confusing. Since New Democracy got an (albeit quite small) majority, a hung parliament is not going to be a problem, correct? It seems that bit about the hung parliament may have been entered before the final seat counts were determined. Can we remove this reference or am I missing something? -- Jfruh ( talk) 19:33, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
Shouldn't this be moved at 2007 Greek legislative election to avoid the use of the comma (,) in the title? NerdyNSK 13:18, 18 September 2007 (UTC)
παρατηρω οτι στις εκλογες του 2000 στον πινακα με τα κομματα συμπεριλαμβανονται τα σηματα τους. Το ιδο συμβαινει και στις εκλογες του 1996 1993 κλπ. Αντιθετως στις εκλογες του 2004 και 2007 δεν υπαρχουν τα σηματα και αντικαθιστανται απο καθετες μπαρες χρωμματων που επαναλαμβανονται. Καλο ειναι να γινει το ιδιο και στις δυο τελευταιες εκλογικες αναμετρησεις. (δειτε τους πινακες και θα καταλαβετε τι εννοω).
Επισης προτεινω να ξεκινησει η δημιουργια σελιδας με τις εκλογες του 2011.
user:Panosfidis —Preceding signed but undated comment was added at 10:43, 19 September 2007 (UTC)
Btw, if some are so inclined in using greek, help expand http://el.wikipedia.org it needs lots of work compared to this. -- Leladax 07:31, 21 September 2007 (UTC)
ok english. You say something about free licence. But if there is licence to use them in one page then there is licence to use them in all pagees right? I have nothing against the colours but that way there are three oranges three browns and 4 blues and this is misleading.
translation: Επειδη μαλλον αυτα που εγραψα παραπανω μαλλον δεν θα βγαλετε και πολυ νοημα τα ξαναγραφω ελληνικα. Θεωρω πως αφου τα σηματα υπαρχουν σε μια σελιδα τοτε μπορουν να υπαρχουν σε ολες. Αν εχει δοθει η αδεια χρησης γενικοτερα το σημα μπορει να μπει σε οποιαδηποτε σελιδα. Δεν λεω πως ξερω τους κανονες αψογα αλλα δεν νομιζω να υπαρχει προβλημα να χρησιμοποιηθουν και εδω τα σηματα αφου χρησιμοποιουνται ηδη και σε σελιδα του ΙΔΙΟΥ ΤΥΠΟΥ. Θα μου εκανε εντυπωση αν συνεβαινε κατι τετοιο. Τωρα καποιοι προτιμουν τα χρωματα. Σεβαστο αλλα απο τη στιγμη που υπαρχουν 3 καφε 3 πορτοκαλι 2 γαλαζια 2 πρασινα το ολο θεμα ειναι παραπλανητικο οσον αφορα τον πολιτικο προσανατολισμο των κομματων. Αυτα εχω να πω τωρα αν καποιος ξερει καλυτερα την κατασταση εννοειται πως θα επικρατησει η γνωμη του απλα μου φαινεται περιεργο να υπαρχει αδεια για τις ιδιες ακριβως σελιδες για προηγουμενες εκλογες και οχι για τωρα. Panosfidis 14:49, 21 September 2007 (UTC)
Probably WP could solve this (quite tedious) problem, by replacing the "file links" section in the image page with one that would list transclusions (much like the " what links here" for the templates). That way we can know (easier) where the logo appears, and add a fair use rationale (or police its deletion from where inappropriate like we do with the rest). Of course, even if a template is listed in the "file links" (as it is now), we still can manually police it with just two clicks (template page, then "what links here"). Anyway, too much analysis brings paralysis, and I'm glad IANAL either... Probably this is an issue for WP:VPT or WP:VPP. Niko Silver 21:56, 25 September 2007 (UTC)
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On what basis will this be the 32nd election? There were many more elections before 1910, and it seems this number was arrived at by counting the number of elections mentioned in the infobox. THis needs to be renamed.-- Damac 13:51, 30 June 2006 (UTC)
Obviously,the author takes into consideration all the election after the Goudi Movement/coup, which is a very important turning point for Greek politics. Having said that, I agree with you, 19th century elections should be mentioned as well.-- XVA 11:48, 17 October 2006 (UTC)
I think the correct number is 12. The previous elections were the elections of the "kingdom of Greece" while since 1974 these are the elections of the "Hellenic Democracy". user:Panosfidis
Why the hell was this page renamed from Next Greek legislative election to Greek legislative election, 2007.
The fact is that this election must be held before March 2008. Until the government formally calls an election, everything else is pure speculation.
I'm going to formally propose that this renaming be reverted.-- Damac 15:57, 3 August 2007 (UTC)
Elections are going to be in September, so the naming is OK.. Alexhard 16:02, 17 August 2007 (UTC)
I think that as SYRIZA is the competing electoral coalition it should be mentioned alone at the header of the opinion polls. The fact that early polls counted only a part of the coalition (SYN) can be accommodated with a footnote. Thoughts? -- Michalis Famelis (talk) 19:43, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
With the election looming, I'm wondering whether it would be timely to start pages for each of the country's constituencies, as has been done for other countries (see Galway East (Dáil Éireann constituency) for example. As Greek constituencies largely conincide with the prefectures, should electoral information and lists be included in those articles (e.g. should we put lists of MPs, results, etc., into the existing Argolis article), or should there be seperate Argolis and Argolis (constituency) articles?
I'd appreciate some feedback on this. In the meantime I'm going to prepare a list of Greek constituencies.-- Damac 15:59, 1 September 2007 (UTC)
According to some media reports, 28 parties will be constesting the elections, although not all state wide. Here's the list (in Greek):
This might help in completing the list of parties and leaders. However, some of the parties are clearly run by collectives, mainly the leftwing ones. Which name should be included as the leader?-- Damac 14:16, 2 September 2007 (UTC)
moved this section here for discussion. I removed it from the article because is original research -- Magioladitis 14:18, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
Of the 27 polls made in Greece during 2007, twelve of them have taken place after the announcement of the 16th September's elections. The standard deviation in such a poll ( sample of 1,000-2,500 persons) whose distribution is approximated by a normal (Gauss) distribution is usually (for the two bigger parties) larger than 1.05%. The confidence interval 95% for the specific value of standard deviation is 2.05% (the corresponding values, which the companies themselves give, are larger). Assuming that the difference between the two biggest parties is the same from measurement to measurement, the distribution of the differences is a normal distribution with a standard deviation . Note that this value will be larger in the case we have different real differences from measurement to measurement. (Which is quite expected since the opinion polls are not made simultaneously). For the sample of 27 or that of 12 opinion polls that are mentioned above, we get that the standard deviation of the differences between the two biggest parties is 0.740% in the first sample and 0.494% in the second sample. These results deviate very much from the theoretic value 1.485%. Nevertheless, it is quite possible, especially for small samples like these of 27 or 12 opinion polls, to have deviations from the theoretic standard deviation. The set question we have to answer is the following: What is the probability to have the specific deviations for the specific sample numbers? It is very easy to be shown (e.g. Monte Carlo simulation) that the possibility for these deviations to be a random event is less than 0.1%. The latter result leads to the conclusion that it is almost impossible for so many opinion polls, with the specific errors they have, to provide results that are so close. |
Links with lists of candidates. Not needed anymore since we have the official announcement. -- Magioladitis 01:08, 9 September 2007 (UTC)
|
1. Θεωρω σκοπιμο να μην συμπληρωθουν τα αποτελεσματα μεχρι αυριο το μεσημερι αφου ΜΟΝΟ τοτε θα εχουμε τα ΤΕΛΙΚΑ αποτελεσματα. Αυριο το πρωι θα εχουν τυπωθει διαφορες εφημεριδες με διαφορετικα αποτελεσματα η καθε μια. Καλο ειναι να μην εμπιστευθει ο καθενας την εφημεριδα του και συμπληρωσει αποτελεσματα που δεν ειναι εγκυρα. 2. Ας διατηρηθει το ιστορικο των εκλογων (δηλαδη τα οσα γραφτηκαν στη σελιδα μεχρι σημερα. Να μην μεινουν μονο τα αποτελεσματα αλλα να μεινουν και οι δημοσκοπησεις οι λιστες των κομματων κλπ κλπ. 3. Ο πινακας αποτελεσματων να μεταφερθει ψηλοτερα στη σελιδα. user:Panosfidis —Preceding signed but undated comment was added at 11:09, 16 September 2007 (UTC)
First, this is the English-language Wikipedia; please contribute in English. I think the page should be update as information comes in. Of course, once we get the final official results, these will be added, but in the meantime, we should mention exit polls (in a separate section) (these will be available at 7pm local time), and provisional results from the Ministry (expected at 10.30).-- Damac 11:58, 16 September 2007 (UTC)
We need an aftermath section with the developments in PASOK due to their (still projected) loss by 4.2 percent units difference to ND. George Andreas Papandreou announced he will ask to renew the confidence of his party members for his leadership, and Evangelos Venizelos declared "present" in this process. This is a major development in one of the two traditional "leadership parties" in Greece. Niko Silver 23:10, 16 September 2007 (UTC)
I've created an article on it at Panhellenic Socialist Movement leadership election, 2007. — Nightstallion 11:45, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
The official election website has one party which is not listed in the table here. It is abbreviated as Ανεξ. Υποψ. , but I don't know what that stands for. Can someone who knows about this party add it to the table at Template:Greek legislative election, 2007? Thanks. — Josiah Rowe ( talk • contribs) 05:33, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
It is not a party. It is the abbreviation of "Independent candidates", meaning every unaffiliated candidate, regardless of ideology or electoral periphery User:Dimadick
"I can read the Greek alphabet, but have very little knowledge of Modern Greek." As opposed to ancient, where it surely would've been something completely different? ·ΚέκρωΨ· 01:08, 18 September 2007 (UTC)
One of the first paragraphs says:
This is a bit confusing. Since New Democracy got an (albeit quite small) majority, a hung parliament is not going to be a problem, correct? It seems that bit about the hung parliament may have been entered before the final seat counts were determined. Can we remove this reference or am I missing something? -- Jfruh ( talk) 19:33, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
Shouldn't this be moved at 2007 Greek legislative election to avoid the use of the comma (,) in the title? NerdyNSK 13:18, 18 September 2007 (UTC)
παρατηρω οτι στις εκλογες του 2000 στον πινακα με τα κομματα συμπεριλαμβανονται τα σηματα τους. Το ιδο συμβαινει και στις εκλογες του 1996 1993 κλπ. Αντιθετως στις εκλογες του 2004 και 2007 δεν υπαρχουν τα σηματα και αντικαθιστανται απο καθετες μπαρες χρωμματων που επαναλαμβανονται. Καλο ειναι να γινει το ιδιο και στις δυο τελευταιες εκλογικες αναμετρησεις. (δειτε τους πινακες και θα καταλαβετε τι εννοω).
Επισης προτεινω να ξεκινησει η δημιουργια σελιδας με τις εκλογες του 2011.
user:Panosfidis —Preceding signed but undated comment was added at 10:43, 19 September 2007 (UTC)
Btw, if some are so inclined in using greek, help expand http://el.wikipedia.org it needs lots of work compared to this. -- Leladax 07:31, 21 September 2007 (UTC)
ok english. You say something about free licence. But if there is licence to use them in one page then there is licence to use them in all pagees right? I have nothing against the colours but that way there are three oranges three browns and 4 blues and this is misleading.
translation: Επειδη μαλλον αυτα που εγραψα παραπανω μαλλον δεν θα βγαλετε και πολυ νοημα τα ξαναγραφω ελληνικα. Θεωρω πως αφου τα σηματα υπαρχουν σε μια σελιδα τοτε μπορουν να υπαρχουν σε ολες. Αν εχει δοθει η αδεια χρησης γενικοτερα το σημα μπορει να μπει σε οποιαδηποτε σελιδα. Δεν λεω πως ξερω τους κανονες αψογα αλλα δεν νομιζω να υπαρχει προβλημα να χρησιμοποιηθουν και εδω τα σηματα αφου χρησιμοποιουνται ηδη και σε σελιδα του ΙΔΙΟΥ ΤΥΠΟΥ. Θα μου εκανε εντυπωση αν συνεβαινε κατι τετοιο. Τωρα καποιοι προτιμουν τα χρωματα. Σεβαστο αλλα απο τη στιγμη που υπαρχουν 3 καφε 3 πορτοκαλι 2 γαλαζια 2 πρασινα το ολο θεμα ειναι παραπλανητικο οσον αφορα τον πολιτικο προσανατολισμο των κομματων. Αυτα εχω να πω τωρα αν καποιος ξερει καλυτερα την κατασταση εννοειται πως θα επικρατησει η γνωμη του απλα μου φαινεται περιεργο να υπαρχει αδεια για τις ιδιες ακριβως σελιδες για προηγουμενες εκλογες και οχι για τωρα. Panosfidis 14:49, 21 September 2007 (UTC)
Probably WP could solve this (quite tedious) problem, by replacing the "file links" section in the image page with one that would list transclusions (much like the " what links here" for the templates). That way we can know (easier) where the logo appears, and add a fair use rationale (or police its deletion from where inappropriate like we do with the rest). Of course, even if a template is listed in the "file links" (as it is now), we still can manually police it with just two clicks (template page, then "what links here"). Anyway, too much analysis brings paralysis, and I'm glad IANAL either... Probably this is an issue for WP:VPT or WP:VPP. Niko Silver 21:56, 25 September 2007 (UTC)
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