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I notice that 2007-08 riots in Kenya links to this article. Perhaps it is a better page name than this one? Because really, I expect that the violence will quiet down sometime this century, so the title will have to change anyway. — Scouter Sig 17:24, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
I agree that the title should be changed; I'm going to go ahead and change it, since we appear to have a rough consensus here. Please continue the discussion here if you wish. - Juansmith ( talk) 23:18, 3 January 2008 (UTC)
I don't know who did it, but the new title (Civil unrest in Kenya (2007–2008)) is definitely an improvement. - Juansmith ( talk) 03:09, 9 January 2008 (UTC)
As it is true that the main target are the Kikuyu it is obviously not true that it is Kikuyu vs. Luo. New York Times has it today gain in its editorial but that does not make it more true. The anti-Kibaki anger is strong amongst Luos, Kalenjin and on the coast as far as reports come in. In their traditional areas Kibaki has been voted out. That infamous massacre by burning a church took place in a Kalenjin area. -- Kipala ( talk) 16:48, 3 January 2008 (UTC)
The image obviously it does not show violent protesters but people jumping from a pick-up car on a street either smoke filled with tear gas or smoke from something burning. Why dont you look for a pic that fits your description or at least has some information? This one is pure guesswork. -- Kipala ( talk) 12:06, 6 January 2008 (UTC)
"The kikuyus are largely outnumbered and if ethnic cleansing occurs,they will most probably bear the most brunt as most of the other tribes seem to have formed a formidable force under the political umbrella ODM.At present,approximately 200,000 Kenyans have been displaced due to the clashes and a majority of these people are mainly kikuyus who resided in the Rift Valley province." This seems to be pure speculation/original research. Is it Wikipedia's place to tell us what will probably happen? 99.240.229.247 ( talk) 16:51, 6 January 2008 (UTC)
..seems to be over-- TheFEARgod ( Ч) 11:42, 7 January 2008 (UTC)
Nope. Two people just died this week. Editorofthewiki ( talk) 23:37, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
I love the map that shows the ethnic areas. Could it be updated to include major cities and/or provinces etc.? 64.8.90.134 ( talk) 17:06, 7 January 2008 (UTC)
This inset infobox is ridiculous! "Belligerents"-listings, "commanders" - what a nonsense. It gives the impression as if Kenya police together with the listed tribes (???) under the command of president Mwai Kibaki are battling ODM with the listed tribes under tzhe command of Raila Odinga. This is not the case. Areas like Kisii are split, in all ethnis groups there are minorities which voted for "the other party", Kibaki and Odinga dont command anything but hide rather helpless from the flames they keep on fanning, though. This situation is not the right one for a nice little "Infobox Military Conflict" table. I take these lines out. I'd prefer to throw the whole box out but don`t have the time for arguing. -- Kipala ( talk) 23:16, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
I know absolutely nothing about this issue, but this paragraph has problems:
The anger stems from a belief that the Kikuyu community in Kenya has dominated the country since independence. It has been said that the violence is due to the allegedly stolen election results which is up to now just an allegation. Observations prove that after every elections most areas experiencing violence have always experienced the same only that this time the leaders have actually fueled the violence thus the high rate.
According to WP:Weasel words, describing a belief without a concrete source is a problem ("anger stems from a belief that..."), "it has been said that", "observations prove that". The uncertainty gives the impression of a POV hostile to those who make "allegations" about the "allegedly stolen" results.
The way this should be written is with a clear source saying that opposition leader so-and-so said such-and-such. 70.15.114.2 ( talk) 19:16, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
I never liked the idea of this article because I don't think that wikipedia should do newspapers' jobs. Now we start getting the partisan views which is nothing to be astonished of. Wakuria added to the already not too elegant opening now it reads that Odinga's supporters kill Kikuyu people. That goes too far. True: the mobs killing Kikuyus probably mostly voted for Odinga in Dec 2007. But then most of the killings so far took place in Rift Valley which saw the same type of violence during election time 1992. Reality unfortunately is more complex. I change that one. -- Kipala ( talk) 00:26, 1 February 2008 (UTC)
Political crisis is not good. There's an ethnic violence with deeper backgrounds than the elections going on -- TheFEARgod ( Ч) 12:09, 3 February 2008 (UTC)
I concur, dubbing it as a civil war seems fitting. --
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I notice that 2007-08 riots in Kenya links to this article. Perhaps it is a better page name than this one? Because really, I expect that the violence will quiet down sometime this century, so the title will have to change anyway. — Scouter Sig 17:24, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
I agree that the title should be changed; I'm going to go ahead and change it, since we appear to have a rough consensus here. Please continue the discussion here if you wish. - Juansmith ( talk) 23:18, 3 January 2008 (UTC)
I don't know who did it, but the new title (Civil unrest in Kenya (2007–2008)) is definitely an improvement. - Juansmith ( talk) 03:09, 9 January 2008 (UTC)
As it is true that the main target are the Kikuyu it is obviously not true that it is Kikuyu vs. Luo. New York Times has it today gain in its editorial but that does not make it more true. The anti-Kibaki anger is strong amongst Luos, Kalenjin and on the coast as far as reports come in. In their traditional areas Kibaki has been voted out. That infamous massacre by burning a church took place in a Kalenjin area. -- Kipala ( talk) 16:48, 3 January 2008 (UTC)
The image obviously it does not show violent protesters but people jumping from a pick-up car on a street either smoke filled with tear gas or smoke from something burning. Why dont you look for a pic that fits your description or at least has some information? This one is pure guesswork. -- Kipala ( talk) 12:06, 6 January 2008 (UTC)
"The kikuyus are largely outnumbered and if ethnic cleansing occurs,they will most probably bear the most brunt as most of the other tribes seem to have formed a formidable force under the political umbrella ODM.At present,approximately 200,000 Kenyans have been displaced due to the clashes and a majority of these people are mainly kikuyus who resided in the Rift Valley province." This seems to be pure speculation/original research. Is it Wikipedia's place to tell us what will probably happen? 99.240.229.247 ( talk) 16:51, 6 January 2008 (UTC)
..seems to be over-- TheFEARgod ( Ч) 11:42, 7 January 2008 (UTC)
Nope. Two people just died this week. Editorofthewiki ( talk) 23:37, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
I love the map that shows the ethnic areas. Could it be updated to include major cities and/or provinces etc.? 64.8.90.134 ( talk) 17:06, 7 January 2008 (UTC)
This inset infobox is ridiculous! "Belligerents"-listings, "commanders" - what a nonsense. It gives the impression as if Kenya police together with the listed tribes (???) under the command of president Mwai Kibaki are battling ODM with the listed tribes under tzhe command of Raila Odinga. This is not the case. Areas like Kisii are split, in all ethnis groups there are minorities which voted for "the other party", Kibaki and Odinga dont command anything but hide rather helpless from the flames they keep on fanning, though. This situation is not the right one for a nice little "Infobox Military Conflict" table. I take these lines out. I'd prefer to throw the whole box out but don`t have the time for arguing. -- Kipala ( talk) 23:16, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
I know absolutely nothing about this issue, but this paragraph has problems:
The anger stems from a belief that the Kikuyu community in Kenya has dominated the country since independence. It has been said that the violence is due to the allegedly stolen election results which is up to now just an allegation. Observations prove that after every elections most areas experiencing violence have always experienced the same only that this time the leaders have actually fueled the violence thus the high rate.
According to WP:Weasel words, describing a belief without a concrete source is a problem ("anger stems from a belief that..."), "it has been said that", "observations prove that". The uncertainty gives the impression of a POV hostile to those who make "allegations" about the "allegedly stolen" results.
The way this should be written is with a clear source saying that opposition leader so-and-so said such-and-such. 70.15.114.2 ( talk) 19:16, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
I never liked the idea of this article because I don't think that wikipedia should do newspapers' jobs. Now we start getting the partisan views which is nothing to be astonished of. Wakuria added to the already not too elegant opening now it reads that Odinga's supporters kill Kikuyu people. That goes too far. True: the mobs killing Kikuyus probably mostly voted for Odinga in Dec 2007. But then most of the killings so far took place in Rift Valley which saw the same type of violence during election time 1992. Reality unfortunately is more complex. I change that one. -- Kipala ( talk) 00:26, 1 February 2008 (UTC)
Political crisis is not good. There's an ethnic violence with deeper backgrounds than the elections going on -- TheFEARgod ( Ч) 12:09, 3 February 2008 (UTC)
I concur, dubbing it as a civil war seems fitting. --
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