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If the cause is traced to wildlife, expect to see fencing being placed to keep it out, such as chain length fencing w/ chicken wire fencing placed in a manner to keep out all wildlife, except moles, Rabbits As stated above, this outbreak could literally destroy the "Organic Farming" practice. If the cause is not wildlife, but the handlers, this could re-ignite a really bad political situation, since some agricultural workers are "undocumented people". So what could be the cause for the E. coli outbreak ? I watch a lot of Law and Order, other crime and police detective shows. Martial Law 23:31, 21 September 2006 (UTC)
The article implies that all spinach is unfit to eat, including cooked spinach. This is not what the FDA said, and anyway is contradicted by other sources.
If there's a dispute between alarmists and calmers (or liberals vs. conservatives or journalists vs. scientists or whatever) then Wikipedias should not take a side in the dispute. It should report what both sides are saying.
Let's not take sides, but fulfill NPOV by presenting both sides. -- Uncle Ed 14:51, 20 September 2006 (UTC)
Thanks for bringing this up. I don't think anyone is explicitly claiming cooked spinach is dangerous, at least I didn't see any such claims. Any implications of that are probably inadvertant inaccuracies. Please go ahead and just fix it. — Quarl ( talk) 2006-09-21 02:20Z
can someone clean up the references please? Some of them are streaching the page, and it just doesn't look professional. dposse 21:28, 20 September 2006 (UTC)
Everything about this is overblown. Only about 160 people got sick. So far, only one died. It's not like its a major disaster that killed thousands of people, or even at least a hundred. The only notable thing about this outbreak is that it happened recently, and the media attention it got. I suppose that is the justification but it seems more at home in wikinews than wikipedia. -- Chicbicyclist 22:02, 23 September 2006 (UTC)
This has been discussed before but does not appear to have been satisfactorily addressed. Can anyone provide a reference for the claim the FDA has advised not to eat spinach of any kind? From a quick search, I couldn't. For example [1] and [2] and [3] all make it abundantly clear that it is only fresh spinach and fresh spinach containing products in question. Similarly the CDC [4] who also mentio the kind of cooking needed of fresh spinach. And both make it clear frozen and canned spinach is okay. So unless someone can provide a reference where the FDA says people shouldn't eat spinach of any kind, we should change it to fresh spinach of any kind and also mention that frozen and canned spinach are ok Nil Einne 08:00, 24 September 2006 (UTC)
"The Canadian Food Inspection Agency has placed a total ban on all U.S. spinach in response to an outbreak of E. coli that has killed as many as three Americans, infected at least 166 and spread to half the U.S. states." dposse 15:24, 24 September 2006 (UTC)
This is a problem in canada too. The title is POV. 2006 North American E. coli outbreak would be better. Zazaban 23:41, 23 September 2006 (UTC)
Well I saw it on TV news. It's kinda sad that there are actually people arguing that it's unknown outside the USA. Zazaban 00:04, 24 September 2006 (UTC)
Then why is the map of US states? this article is very us-centric.
Could someone edit the map to include Nebraska and Illinois, which were affected today, and remove Tennessee, which wasn't affected to begin with? - Abcfox 01:09, 19 September 2006 (UTC)
If i'm not mistaken a two year old boy in Idaho has died from ingessting tainted spinach as well as the person in Maryland. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 68.67.106.127 ( talk • contribs).
One death is confirmed, two more are suspected. (
http://www.cnn.com/2006/HEALTH/09/23/tainted.spinach.ap/index.html)
Also, CNN quotes the CDC as saying the number of cases is up to 171.
Lifthrasir1
04:34, 24 September 2006 (UTC)
This article is inconsistent in the number of cases reported. I think that whoever updates the number of cases should either update all the figures or confine it to one part of the article, probably the beginning.
4.245.185.171
20:08, 24 September 2006 (UTC)
[10] -- Gbleem 17:46, 28 September 2006 (UTC)
The people affected by this outbreak, especially those sickened by it may actually seek legal action, mainly to pay hospital bills and for "pain and suffering". I see all kinds of "Lawyer Ads" on TV advertising everything from defective products (like this (the tainted spinach) one) to auto wrecks, DUI, to defective drugs, like Viagra (which is back on the market, has the side effect of blinding people who have taken it), investment companies that have embezzled money, etc. Martial Law 00:26, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
I have found PROOF. These were found on Google Search:"Tainted Spinach/Lawsuits". Sites are:
My ISP screwed up before I could add this evidence. More evidence is on the way. Martial Law 22:30, 1 October 2006 (UTC)
Here is more evidence:
More on the way. Can someone please place what I had found into the article ? Martial Law 22:40, 1 October 2006 (UTC)
Really appreciate the assisstance. Thanks. Martial Law 22:55, 1 October 2006 (UTC)
Found and cleaned up the errors. Appreciate your patience, assisstance. Martial Law 00:39, 2 October 2006 (UTC)
See this link: Tainted Spinach Incident results in criminal probe. Martial Law 21:20, 6 October 2006 (UTC) This states that the FBI is investigating this matter. Martial Law 21:24, 6 October 2006 (UTC)
I don't know what the real cause is or if it is possible that human fecal matter is involved, but the utterly scrupulous avoidance of the topic in the news or here on Wikipedia seems dangerous from a public health standpoint. In some cases it is literally a matter of life and death. A cursory googling of "Escherichia coli O157:H7" + "human fecal" yields some articles which state it is possible (but unknown?) for human intestine to harbor the specific disease-causing bacterium and that human to human contact is possible. Even the incidence among cattle is hard to pin down, apparently. Phthalobrew 23:12, 9 October 2006 (UTC)
Does anyone know how I report it? - unsigned
An interesting take on the problem can be found here at this semi-reliable site. WAS 4.250 13:09, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
I deleted a press release from Sadex in the timeline section, because it appears to be a promotional release and doesn't add to the discussion of the outbreak.
Deleted portion follows: "On September 27, Sadex Corporation, a Texas-based irradiation company, demonstrated that their irradiation process could have provided a cost effective alternative to the illness and death, as their President Harlan Clemmons and CEO David A. Corbin consumed treated spinach with the knowledge that their process had killed any E.coli that had been present. See Irradiation Could Minimize Future E. coli Outbreaks in Produce."
Mumm's 21:05, 11 February 2007 (UTC)
Could this be written better? E. coli is not a disease, but a common bacterium. Many billions are passed through the human digestive tract every day. There are many strains of E. coli, but only certain stratins are toxic. An outbreak of hemorrhagic colitis, for example, might be caused by E. Coli strain E157:H7, which I believe is the likely culprit here.
This article does a very poor job of helping the reader understand how this particular E. Coli strain came about. It vaguely states that "the Centers for Disease Control speculate that the dangerous bacteria originated from grazing deer or from irrigation water contaminated with cattle feces" and then two paragraphs later says that E. Coli is a common bacteria that is a normal inhabitant of our digestive systems. OK then WTF? What this article, and our government (and the factory-farm industry), seems to be afraid to admit is that the true cause of this particularly virulent strain of this very common bacteria is the unnaturally acidic stomachs of beef and dairy cattle. Cattle on industrial farms are fed grain instead of grass. The residual starches FERMENT in the very long digestive tracts of cows and a killer-strain of E. Coli is born. It is vital that this article reflect these facts. - Laikalynx 00:09, 26 September 2006 (UTC)
This kind of thing can literally and actually "kill" the Organic Farming industry and those who are engaged in this practice. Martial Law 23:18, 21 September 2006 (UTC)
If you read my post two sections above this, you will see that the true culprit of this outbreak is INDUSTRIAL FARMING METHODS. Do some research. The Organic farms in question have been cleared of having ever been contaminated. - Laikalynx 00:11, 26 September 2006 (UTC)
Do we create a new article, or simply make this article plural: 2006 North American E. coli outbreaks -- Stbalbach 15:12, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
While watching TV tonight I saw a commercial featuring a spokesman from Taco Bell stating that it was now safe to eat at Taco Bell restaurants. I live in the Atlanta area. Has anyone else seen this commercial? Mynameisryan812 04:46, 18 December 2006 (UTC)
I cleaned up many of the Taco Bell entries that had been entered contemporaneously, and largely disjointedly, with an overall summary of the number of affected consumers, restaurants and states. I also segregated out the Taco John's incident to stand on its own and added some additional facts specifically related to it. If anyone has objections, let's discuss here. Dreddpirate 01:50, 14 June 2007 (UTC)
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The image File:Graph Spinich Ecoli Cause.gif is nice, but I believe it cannot be used since it is copyrighted. — Quarl ( talk) 2006-09-19 20:21Z
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If the cause is traced to wildlife, expect to see fencing being placed to keep it out, such as chain length fencing w/ chicken wire fencing placed in a manner to keep out all wildlife, except moles, Rabbits As stated above, this outbreak could literally destroy the "Organic Farming" practice. If the cause is not wildlife, but the handlers, this could re-ignite a really bad political situation, since some agricultural workers are "undocumented people". So what could be the cause for the E. coli outbreak ? I watch a lot of Law and Order, other crime and police detective shows. Martial Law 23:31, 21 September 2006 (UTC)
The article implies that all spinach is unfit to eat, including cooked spinach. This is not what the FDA said, and anyway is contradicted by other sources.
If there's a dispute between alarmists and calmers (or liberals vs. conservatives or journalists vs. scientists or whatever) then Wikipedias should not take a side in the dispute. It should report what both sides are saying.
Let's not take sides, but fulfill NPOV by presenting both sides. -- Uncle Ed 14:51, 20 September 2006 (UTC)
Thanks for bringing this up. I don't think anyone is explicitly claiming cooked spinach is dangerous, at least I didn't see any such claims. Any implications of that are probably inadvertant inaccuracies. Please go ahead and just fix it. — Quarl ( talk) 2006-09-21 02:20Z
can someone clean up the references please? Some of them are streaching the page, and it just doesn't look professional. dposse 21:28, 20 September 2006 (UTC)
Everything about this is overblown. Only about 160 people got sick. So far, only one died. It's not like its a major disaster that killed thousands of people, or even at least a hundred. The only notable thing about this outbreak is that it happened recently, and the media attention it got. I suppose that is the justification but it seems more at home in wikinews than wikipedia. -- Chicbicyclist 22:02, 23 September 2006 (UTC)
This has been discussed before but does not appear to have been satisfactorily addressed. Can anyone provide a reference for the claim the FDA has advised not to eat spinach of any kind? From a quick search, I couldn't. For example [1] and [2] and [3] all make it abundantly clear that it is only fresh spinach and fresh spinach containing products in question. Similarly the CDC [4] who also mentio the kind of cooking needed of fresh spinach. And both make it clear frozen and canned spinach is okay. So unless someone can provide a reference where the FDA says people shouldn't eat spinach of any kind, we should change it to fresh spinach of any kind and also mention that frozen and canned spinach are ok Nil Einne 08:00, 24 September 2006 (UTC)
"The Canadian Food Inspection Agency has placed a total ban on all U.S. spinach in response to an outbreak of E. coli that has killed as many as three Americans, infected at least 166 and spread to half the U.S. states." dposse 15:24, 24 September 2006 (UTC)
This is a problem in canada too. The title is POV. 2006 North American E. coli outbreak would be better. Zazaban 23:41, 23 September 2006 (UTC)
Well I saw it on TV news. It's kinda sad that there are actually people arguing that it's unknown outside the USA. Zazaban 00:04, 24 September 2006 (UTC)
Then why is the map of US states? this article is very us-centric.
Could someone edit the map to include Nebraska and Illinois, which were affected today, and remove Tennessee, which wasn't affected to begin with? - Abcfox 01:09, 19 September 2006 (UTC)
If i'm not mistaken a two year old boy in Idaho has died from ingessting tainted spinach as well as the person in Maryland. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 68.67.106.127 ( talk • contribs).
One death is confirmed, two more are suspected. (
http://www.cnn.com/2006/HEALTH/09/23/tainted.spinach.ap/index.html)
Also, CNN quotes the CDC as saying the number of cases is up to 171.
Lifthrasir1
04:34, 24 September 2006 (UTC)
This article is inconsistent in the number of cases reported. I think that whoever updates the number of cases should either update all the figures or confine it to one part of the article, probably the beginning.
4.245.185.171
20:08, 24 September 2006 (UTC)
[10] -- Gbleem 17:46, 28 September 2006 (UTC)
The people affected by this outbreak, especially those sickened by it may actually seek legal action, mainly to pay hospital bills and for "pain and suffering". I see all kinds of "Lawyer Ads" on TV advertising everything from defective products (like this (the tainted spinach) one) to auto wrecks, DUI, to defective drugs, like Viagra (which is back on the market, has the side effect of blinding people who have taken it), investment companies that have embezzled money, etc. Martial Law 00:26, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
I have found PROOF. These were found on Google Search:"Tainted Spinach/Lawsuits". Sites are:
My ISP screwed up before I could add this evidence. More evidence is on the way. Martial Law 22:30, 1 October 2006 (UTC)
Here is more evidence:
More on the way. Can someone please place what I had found into the article ? Martial Law 22:40, 1 October 2006 (UTC)
Really appreciate the assisstance. Thanks. Martial Law 22:55, 1 October 2006 (UTC)
Found and cleaned up the errors. Appreciate your patience, assisstance. Martial Law 00:39, 2 October 2006 (UTC)
See this link: Tainted Spinach Incident results in criminal probe. Martial Law 21:20, 6 October 2006 (UTC) This states that the FBI is investigating this matter. Martial Law 21:24, 6 October 2006 (UTC)
I don't know what the real cause is or if it is possible that human fecal matter is involved, but the utterly scrupulous avoidance of the topic in the news or here on Wikipedia seems dangerous from a public health standpoint. In some cases it is literally a matter of life and death. A cursory googling of "Escherichia coli O157:H7" + "human fecal" yields some articles which state it is possible (but unknown?) for human intestine to harbor the specific disease-causing bacterium and that human to human contact is possible. Even the incidence among cattle is hard to pin down, apparently. Phthalobrew 23:12, 9 October 2006 (UTC)
Does anyone know how I report it? - unsigned
An interesting take on the problem can be found here at this semi-reliable site. WAS 4.250 13:09, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
I deleted a press release from Sadex in the timeline section, because it appears to be a promotional release and doesn't add to the discussion of the outbreak.
Deleted portion follows: "On September 27, Sadex Corporation, a Texas-based irradiation company, demonstrated that their irradiation process could have provided a cost effective alternative to the illness and death, as their President Harlan Clemmons and CEO David A. Corbin consumed treated spinach with the knowledge that their process had killed any E.coli that had been present. See Irradiation Could Minimize Future E. coli Outbreaks in Produce."
Mumm's 21:05, 11 February 2007 (UTC)
Could this be written better? E. coli is not a disease, but a common bacterium. Many billions are passed through the human digestive tract every day. There are many strains of E. coli, but only certain stratins are toxic. An outbreak of hemorrhagic colitis, for example, might be caused by E. Coli strain E157:H7, which I believe is the likely culprit here.
This article does a very poor job of helping the reader understand how this particular E. Coli strain came about. It vaguely states that "the Centers for Disease Control speculate that the dangerous bacteria originated from grazing deer or from irrigation water contaminated with cattle feces" and then two paragraphs later says that E. Coli is a common bacteria that is a normal inhabitant of our digestive systems. OK then WTF? What this article, and our government (and the factory-farm industry), seems to be afraid to admit is that the true cause of this particularly virulent strain of this very common bacteria is the unnaturally acidic stomachs of beef and dairy cattle. Cattle on industrial farms are fed grain instead of grass. The residual starches FERMENT in the very long digestive tracts of cows and a killer-strain of E. Coli is born. It is vital that this article reflect these facts. - Laikalynx 00:09, 26 September 2006 (UTC)
This kind of thing can literally and actually "kill" the Organic Farming industry and those who are engaged in this practice. Martial Law 23:18, 21 September 2006 (UTC)
If you read my post two sections above this, you will see that the true culprit of this outbreak is INDUSTRIAL FARMING METHODS. Do some research. The Organic farms in question have been cleared of having ever been contaminated. - Laikalynx 00:11, 26 September 2006 (UTC)
Do we create a new article, or simply make this article plural: 2006 North American E. coli outbreaks -- Stbalbach 15:12, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
While watching TV tonight I saw a commercial featuring a spokesman from Taco Bell stating that it was now safe to eat at Taco Bell restaurants. I live in the Atlanta area. Has anyone else seen this commercial? Mynameisryan812 04:46, 18 December 2006 (UTC)
I cleaned up many of the Taco Bell entries that had been entered contemporaneously, and largely disjointedly, with an overall summary of the number of affected consumers, restaurants and states. I also segregated out the Taco John's incident to stand on its own and added some additional facts specifically related to it. If anyone has objections, let's discuss here. Dreddpirate 01:50, 14 June 2007 (UTC)
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The image File:Graph Spinich Ecoli Cause.gif is nice, but I believe it cannot be used since it is copyrighted. — Quarl ( talk) 2006-09-19 20:21Z