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Removed delete proposal header. Runway incursions are tracked very closely by the authorities and widely published in newspapers when they occur. The 1977 Tenerife disaster article also links here and it is directly relevant to such events. Just because no disaster occurred doesn't mean "nothing happened". This is hardly a "frivolous" article. This is a stub account of a serious and rare aviation error and made even more notable by the actions of the pilot. Detroit.bus 07:25, 28 August 2006 (UTC)
I have created an infobox for this article, but when I filled in the operators as US Airways and Aer Lingus, the infobox came up as seen on the article now. Can someone with a little more knowledge of the site fix this? - Blood red sandman 20:54, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
Ah, I see it has been fixed. Many thanks! - Blood red sandman 20:43, 6 September 2006 (UTC)
Is there any way we can get together and work on the title of the article, it seems so long winded. I'm sure there's an easier way to describe this... it'll be difficult for users to ever find this article with such precise wording, it needs something easier to say. What do you think? -- SmthManly / ManlyTalk / ManlyContribs 20:50, 24 September 2006 (UTC)
In case anyone comes along in a month or two and wonders what the problem was, and can't find out in the edit history, then it is worth making a note here that the original title for this article was Runway incursion between US Airways flight 1170 and Aer Lingus flight 132. - Blood red sandman 06:31, 26 September 2006 (UTC)
--- This part of the preliminary NTSB report has this great segment, quoting the US Airways co-pilot:
"The Airbus passed overhead our aircraft with very little separation, and once clear of the intersection, the captain rotated, and we lifted off towards the end of the runway. I reported to departure control that we had a near miss at which time Aer Lingus reported 'we concur.'"
Is this worth adding? I don't want to wreck the flow of the article you've been building. Matt Clare
This passage describing the actions of the US Airways first officer has been trimmed back considerably: "...he pushed down hard on the aircraft's control column. This caused the position of the horizontal stabilizer to change, so that it was forcing the nose of the aircraft down against the natural lift that occurs when an aircraft exceeds certain speeds. In this way he was able to keep US Airways 1170 from lifting off the runway..." The source cited only states that "he pushed the control column forward." The technical description of how this intervention kept the plane from taking off was not accurate. Lift is the result not only of exceeding certain speeds but also of the angle of attack of the wing relative to the air stream. During takeoff, the wing will not have a sufficient angle of attack to lift the plane at any speed unless and until the nose is lifted, increasing the angle of attack. Pushing the control column forward does cause the horizontal stabilizer to force the nose down, but it does not have to oppose any "natural lift" of the wing in this situation, and it would not be necessary to push "hard" in order to keep the plane on the ground. Piperh 16:50, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
A few days ago, I added that the US Air crew had no choice but to attempt to take off because they had achieved V1 speed. Upon further reflection, maybe a better analysis of the situation would be that (1) they had the option of taking off because they had reached V1, and (2) they had no choice but to attempt a takeoff after the near-collision because they were too far down the runway to be able to achieve a stop from V1 speed within the remaining runway distance. Certainly, by being forced to delay their takeoff on account of the evasive action, they were in danger of running out of runway no matter what they tried to do next. Any thoughts? Richwales 06:42, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
surely there must be a better name than this? There has to have been numerous incursions in 2005 at Logan... 70.29.208.129 ( talk) 13:36, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
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This article seems good, but based upon the discussion of notability, one major criterion that the article fails is sources being cited. An editor looking to improve this page, or those who are currently looking at it, please add sources to back up the claims in the article. Otherwise, it looks good ! -- Nenyedi Talk Deeds @ 20:18, 10 April 2007 (UTC) |
Last edited at 20:18, 10 April 2007 (UTC). Substituted at 05:56, 29 April 2016 (UTC)
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Removed delete proposal header. Runway incursions are tracked very closely by the authorities and widely published in newspapers when they occur. The 1977 Tenerife disaster article also links here and it is directly relevant to such events. Just because no disaster occurred doesn't mean "nothing happened". This is hardly a "frivolous" article. This is a stub account of a serious and rare aviation error and made even more notable by the actions of the pilot. Detroit.bus 07:25, 28 August 2006 (UTC)
I have created an infobox for this article, but when I filled in the operators as US Airways and Aer Lingus, the infobox came up as seen on the article now. Can someone with a little more knowledge of the site fix this? - Blood red sandman 20:54, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
Ah, I see it has been fixed. Many thanks! - Blood red sandman 20:43, 6 September 2006 (UTC)
Is there any way we can get together and work on the title of the article, it seems so long winded. I'm sure there's an easier way to describe this... it'll be difficult for users to ever find this article with such precise wording, it needs something easier to say. What do you think? -- SmthManly / ManlyTalk / ManlyContribs 20:50, 24 September 2006 (UTC)
In case anyone comes along in a month or two and wonders what the problem was, and can't find out in the edit history, then it is worth making a note here that the original title for this article was Runway incursion between US Airways flight 1170 and Aer Lingus flight 132. - Blood red sandman 06:31, 26 September 2006 (UTC)
--- This part of the preliminary NTSB report has this great segment, quoting the US Airways co-pilot:
"The Airbus passed overhead our aircraft with very little separation, and once clear of the intersection, the captain rotated, and we lifted off towards the end of the runway. I reported to departure control that we had a near miss at which time Aer Lingus reported 'we concur.'"
Is this worth adding? I don't want to wreck the flow of the article you've been building. Matt Clare
This passage describing the actions of the US Airways first officer has been trimmed back considerably: "...he pushed down hard on the aircraft's control column. This caused the position of the horizontal stabilizer to change, so that it was forcing the nose of the aircraft down against the natural lift that occurs when an aircraft exceeds certain speeds. In this way he was able to keep US Airways 1170 from lifting off the runway..." The source cited only states that "he pushed the control column forward." The technical description of how this intervention kept the plane from taking off was not accurate. Lift is the result not only of exceeding certain speeds but also of the angle of attack of the wing relative to the air stream. During takeoff, the wing will not have a sufficient angle of attack to lift the plane at any speed unless and until the nose is lifted, increasing the angle of attack. Pushing the control column forward does cause the horizontal stabilizer to force the nose down, but it does not have to oppose any "natural lift" of the wing in this situation, and it would not be necessary to push "hard" in order to keep the plane on the ground. Piperh 16:50, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
A few days ago, I added that the US Air crew had no choice but to attempt to take off because they had achieved V1 speed. Upon further reflection, maybe a better analysis of the situation would be that (1) they had the option of taking off because they had reached V1, and (2) they had no choice but to attempt a takeoff after the near-collision because they were too far down the runway to be able to achieve a stop from V1 speed within the remaining runway distance. Certainly, by being forced to delay their takeoff on account of the evasive action, they were in danger of running out of runway no matter what they tried to do next. Any thoughts? Richwales 06:42, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
surely there must be a better name than this? There has to have been numerous incursions in 2005 at Logan... 70.29.208.129 ( talk) 13:36, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
During several automated bot runs the following external link was found to be unavailable. Please check if the link is in fact down and fix or remove it in that case!
-- JeffGBot ( talk) 02:06, 12 June 2011 (UTC)
During several automated bot runs the following external link was found to be unavailable. Please check if the link is in fact down and fix or remove it in that case!
-- JeffGBot ( talk) 02:06, 12 June 2011 (UTC)
The comment(s) below were originally left at Talk:2005 Logan Airport runway incursion/Comments, and are posted here for posterity. Following several discussions in past years, these subpages are now deprecated. The comments may be irrelevant or outdated; if so, please feel free to remove this section.
This article seems good, but based upon the discussion of notability, one major criterion that the article fails is sources being cited. An editor looking to improve this page, or those who are currently looking at it, please add sources to back up the claims in the article. Otherwise, it looks good ! -- Nenyedi Talk Deeds @ 20:18, 10 April 2007 (UTC) |
Last edited at 20:18, 10 April 2007 (UTC). Substituted at 05:56, 29 April 2016 (UTC)