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The intro is flawed in that it does not cover what is really important about the season. Four storms are mentioned, but of those, only one is among the 5 most notable storms of the season. It mentions the 1950 Atlantic hurricane season, but not New Orleans. It spends several sentences making comparisons to the 2004 season, but doesn't mention that the most intense hurricane of all time happened this year. Jdorje 03:53, 10 January 2006 (UTC)
The length of the intro could probably be slightly increased, but it is about right. The content should also be somewhat renovated, such as having the fact that the season was unusually long moved to the bottom while having the fact that thousands of human beings died moved to the top. -- tomf688{ talk} 00:04, 12 January 2006 (UTC)
The intro shouldn't be more than 3 paragraphs (as it is now), but the content needs to be changed. Important points may include:
Meteorological:
Impact:
Storms to be mentioned by name:
Information we don't need:
Fitting it all into three paragraphs won't be easy; some of it may have to be cut. Jdorje 00:13, 12 January 2006 (UTC)
Here's the beginnings of a rewrite. It's only two paragraphs right now but it has all of the "essentials" in it.
The 2005 Atlantic hurricane season officially began June 1, 2005, and officially ended on November 30, 2005 though effectively the season persisted into January of 2006 due to continued storm activity. Forecasters originally called for a modestly above-average hurricane season in 2005. However, the 2005 season unexpectedly became the most active season on record, shattering the previous records on repeated occasions. A record twenty-seven tropical storms formed, of which a record fourteen became hurricanes. Of these, seven strengthened into major hurricanes, a record-tying five became Category 4 hurricanes and a record three reached Category 5 strength, the highest categorization for Atlantic hurricanes. Among these Category 5 storms was Hurricane Wilma, the most intense hurricane ever recorded in the Atlantic.
The impact of the season was widespread and ruinous with record damages over $100 billion USD and at least 1,777 deaths. Mexico was struck three times by major hurricanes and the US states of Florida and Louisiana were each struck twice. The most catastrophic effects of the season were felt in New Orleans, Louisiana where Hurricane Katrina’s storm surge breached levees protecting the city and caused over $75 billion in damages as well as more than 1,300 fatalities. However, Katrina was not the only catastrophic storm of the season; Hurricane Rita and Hurricane Wilma caused extreme damage in Louisiana, Texas, Mexico and Florida.
- Cuivienen 04:46, 12 January 2006 (UTC)
It says:
This text could use some improvement.
I'm not really sure what the intro should say, however, so I bring it up here.
Jdorje 19:11, 31 January 2006 (UTC)
One section I'm still not happy with is the seasonal forecasts section. Specifically, it is too long and detailed. It should be shortened and made more "readible" - the problem is since we probably shouldn't have a 2005 Atlantic hurricane season forecasts sub-page (or should we?) we need to shorten in without losing any important information, and this won't be easy. One problem is the section includes too many numbers, which do not fit well in text form; maybe these would be more appropriate in a table form but I'm not sure what such a table would look like. We can probably shorten the dates - we don't need to know the exact date each forecast was released on; simply giving the month would be enough. It's also possible that some of the forecast "updates" can be removed - there are 2 pre-season "updates" given by Dr. Gray's team, and maybe one of them can be dropped. I don't want to sound negative about this section though, it has some really good content (the last sentence for instance is brilliant). The problem is the reader is likely to be lost in the numbers before he gets to the end. Jdorje 07:34, 19 January 2006 (UTC)
Good point. However, I think making it into table form will make it too complicated to read. Maybe a solution would be to limit the number of sentences. It is not worthy of a sub page though. M cappeluti
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Perhaps, once all the reports are out and consensus is reached on what to do with the storms article, we can try and get this topic as a Featured Topic? The pages I count are the timeline, statistics page, main season article, the list of storms, as well as the storm articles. I think that once all of these articles settle down and become more stable we can get a featured topic. Miss Madeline | Talk to Madeline 01:40, 2 February 2006 (UTC)
Huh, why is the article down to B Class now? Jamie| C 20:22, 7 February 2006 (UTC)
From my discussion with Eric (carried on on both our talk pages under the heading "2005 AHS", though it probably won't make much sense since it's split between the two pages), I think (and I believe he agrees with but I could be wrong):
— jdorje ( talk) 04:55, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
For each storm there are three possible references:
Which of these sources should be referenced? Does it just depend on what information is put into the section, or do we aim for completeness? Currently all storms that have a TCR reference that instead of the NHC advisories. But we still give the HPC advisories for these storms, even though they are unlikely to have any data we include and may also be superceded by the TCR. So should we just reference the TCR? Or both? Or all three? — jdorje ( talk) 07:23, 15 February 2006 (UTC)
It wasnt upgraded to hurricane... Jamie| C 13:57, 15 February 2006 (UTC)
Hi Guys - My name is Cory Pesaturo and I ade the List of records that is currently being fixed up so it can later be "officially" put on the Main "2005 Atlantic Hurricane Season" site. I was wondering if any of you guys can help me with it because I don't know how to put links and sources and the many things Wikipedia wants me to do before it becomes an "Official" article
Thanks -
Musically and Snowily - Cory Pesaturo —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.218.27.163 ( talk • contribs) .
I didn't delete it, but it certainly was not necessary or high quality. The storm did nothing. WotGoPlunk 14:50, 18 February 2006 (UTC)
This is for the 2004 Season, but I wanted to get the opinions of the people that visit the 2005 Season. I have a poll running on the 2004 Atlantic Hurricane Season talk page, whether I should put boxes for each storm as they are done here. Please VOTE!
[1] I'm pretty sure this one is new Good kitty 13:47, 22 February 2006 (UTC)
I'm intrigued: apparently Jerez reported sustained winds of 31kt. Wouldn't that make Vince a low-end tropical storm, or was that just the edge of Vince's windfield before the centre came ashore?
EDIT: 34kt is needed for a tropical storm, my bad. Still, Vince was very close to making it... Pobbie Rarr 19:34, 22 February 2006 (UTC)
I uploaded the best-track maps for Delta, Vince, Tammy, and Stan. — jdorje ( talk) 20:04, 22 February 2006 (UTC)
Apparently Unisys has a TD27 up before Gamma.Like this:
You think we have a possible TD27 sitting around in the Atlantic in 2005?
Links:
HurricaneCraze32 15:23, 26 February 2006 (UTC)
When we hit 27 votes,i'll end.
HurricaneCraze32
18:12, 26 February 2006 (UTC)
Jamie|
C
18:19, 26 February 2006 (UTC) (It may well have been a different system, so its important to mention it)
Did it occur to anyone that a poll is not the best method of figuring out how to edit? -- Golbez 22:54, 26 February 2006 (UTC)
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The intro is flawed in that it does not cover what is really important about the season. Four storms are mentioned, but of those, only one is among the 5 most notable storms of the season. It mentions the 1950 Atlantic hurricane season, but not New Orleans. It spends several sentences making comparisons to the 2004 season, but doesn't mention that the most intense hurricane of all time happened this year. Jdorje 03:53, 10 January 2006 (UTC)
The length of the intro could probably be slightly increased, but it is about right. The content should also be somewhat renovated, such as having the fact that the season was unusually long moved to the bottom while having the fact that thousands of human beings died moved to the top. -- tomf688{ talk} 00:04, 12 January 2006 (UTC)
The intro shouldn't be more than 3 paragraphs (as it is now), but the content needs to be changed. Important points may include:
Meteorological:
Impact:
Storms to be mentioned by name:
Information we don't need:
Fitting it all into three paragraphs won't be easy; some of it may have to be cut. Jdorje 00:13, 12 January 2006 (UTC)
Here's the beginnings of a rewrite. It's only two paragraphs right now but it has all of the "essentials" in it.
The 2005 Atlantic hurricane season officially began June 1, 2005, and officially ended on November 30, 2005 though effectively the season persisted into January of 2006 due to continued storm activity. Forecasters originally called for a modestly above-average hurricane season in 2005. However, the 2005 season unexpectedly became the most active season on record, shattering the previous records on repeated occasions. A record twenty-seven tropical storms formed, of which a record fourteen became hurricanes. Of these, seven strengthened into major hurricanes, a record-tying five became Category 4 hurricanes and a record three reached Category 5 strength, the highest categorization for Atlantic hurricanes. Among these Category 5 storms was Hurricane Wilma, the most intense hurricane ever recorded in the Atlantic.
The impact of the season was widespread and ruinous with record damages over $100 billion USD and at least 1,777 deaths. Mexico was struck three times by major hurricanes and the US states of Florida and Louisiana were each struck twice. The most catastrophic effects of the season were felt in New Orleans, Louisiana where Hurricane Katrina’s storm surge breached levees protecting the city and caused over $75 billion in damages as well as more than 1,300 fatalities. However, Katrina was not the only catastrophic storm of the season; Hurricane Rita and Hurricane Wilma caused extreme damage in Louisiana, Texas, Mexico and Florida.
- Cuivienen 04:46, 12 January 2006 (UTC)
It says:
This text could use some improvement.
I'm not really sure what the intro should say, however, so I bring it up here.
Jdorje 19:11, 31 January 2006 (UTC)
One section I'm still not happy with is the seasonal forecasts section. Specifically, it is too long and detailed. It should be shortened and made more "readible" - the problem is since we probably shouldn't have a 2005 Atlantic hurricane season forecasts sub-page (or should we?) we need to shorten in without losing any important information, and this won't be easy. One problem is the section includes too many numbers, which do not fit well in text form; maybe these would be more appropriate in a table form but I'm not sure what such a table would look like. We can probably shorten the dates - we don't need to know the exact date each forecast was released on; simply giving the month would be enough. It's also possible that some of the forecast "updates" can be removed - there are 2 pre-season "updates" given by Dr. Gray's team, and maybe one of them can be dropped. I don't want to sound negative about this section though, it has some really good content (the last sentence for instance is brilliant). The problem is the reader is likely to be lost in the numbers before he gets to the end. Jdorje 07:34, 19 January 2006 (UTC)
Good point. However, I think making it into table form will make it too complicated to read. Maybe a solution would be to limit the number of sentences. It is not worthy of a sub page though. M cappeluti
From Wikipedia:Featured topic candidates:
start copying
To be a featured topic the collection of articles must meet the following criteria:
As well as these requirements, the following are recommended:
end copying
Perhaps, once all the reports are out and consensus is reached on what to do with the storms article, we can try and get this topic as a Featured Topic? The pages I count are the timeline, statistics page, main season article, the list of storms, as well as the storm articles. I think that once all of these articles settle down and become more stable we can get a featured topic. Miss Madeline | Talk to Madeline 01:40, 2 February 2006 (UTC)
Huh, why is the article down to B Class now? Jamie| C 20:22, 7 February 2006 (UTC)
From my discussion with Eric (carried on on both our talk pages under the heading "2005 AHS", though it probably won't make much sense since it's split between the two pages), I think (and I believe he agrees with but I could be wrong):
— jdorje ( talk) 04:55, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
For each storm there are three possible references:
Which of these sources should be referenced? Does it just depend on what information is put into the section, or do we aim for completeness? Currently all storms that have a TCR reference that instead of the NHC advisories. But we still give the HPC advisories for these storms, even though they are unlikely to have any data we include and may also be superceded by the TCR. So should we just reference the TCR? Or both? Or all three? — jdorje ( talk) 07:23, 15 February 2006 (UTC)
It wasnt upgraded to hurricane... Jamie| C 13:57, 15 February 2006 (UTC)
Hi Guys - My name is Cory Pesaturo and I ade the List of records that is currently being fixed up so it can later be "officially" put on the Main "2005 Atlantic Hurricane Season" site. I was wondering if any of you guys can help me with it because I don't know how to put links and sources and the many things Wikipedia wants me to do before it becomes an "Official" article
Thanks -
Musically and Snowily - Cory Pesaturo —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.218.27.163 ( talk • contribs) .
I didn't delete it, but it certainly was not necessary or high quality. The storm did nothing. WotGoPlunk 14:50, 18 February 2006 (UTC)
This is for the 2004 Season, but I wanted to get the opinions of the people that visit the 2005 Season. I have a poll running on the 2004 Atlantic Hurricane Season talk page, whether I should put boxes for each storm as they are done here. Please VOTE!
[1] I'm pretty sure this one is new Good kitty 13:47, 22 February 2006 (UTC)
I'm intrigued: apparently Jerez reported sustained winds of 31kt. Wouldn't that make Vince a low-end tropical storm, or was that just the edge of Vince's windfield before the centre came ashore?
EDIT: 34kt is needed for a tropical storm, my bad. Still, Vince was very close to making it... Pobbie Rarr 19:34, 22 February 2006 (UTC)
I uploaded the best-track maps for Delta, Vince, Tammy, and Stan. — jdorje ( talk) 20:04, 22 February 2006 (UTC)
Apparently Unisys has a TD27 up before Gamma.Like this:
You think we have a possible TD27 sitting around in the Atlantic in 2005?
Links:
HurricaneCraze32 15:23, 26 February 2006 (UTC)
When we hit 27 votes,i'll end.
HurricaneCraze32
18:12, 26 February 2006 (UTC)
Jamie|
C
18:19, 26 February 2006 (UTC) (It may well have been a different system, so its important to mention it)
Did it occur to anyone that a poll is not the best method of figuring out how to edit? -- Golbez 22:54, 26 February 2006 (UTC)