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I have already voted (absentee) and the article seems to miss the reason that many of my friends will also vote to remove Gray Davis as Governor. It is not about taxes, although our taxes have become a major deterrent to job creation, nor is it a result of the overall state of the California economy. Rather it is about perceived blatant abuse of office to the point where both Rebublicans and Democrats (I am a registered Libertarian) seem to feel sullied. Whether it is because of the money which flowed in from Indian gaming groups, the dumping of previously banned pollutants in San Francisco Bay, or the pandering to Labor bosses by moves such as pay raises for Prison guards or establishing a Union Shop in the California State University system. we believe that our government is for sale to the highest bidder. When it comes to selecting a replacement for Gray Davis you must admit we have a wonderful range to choose from! How about the Trekkie?
I changed the phrase "governor's mansion at stake" to "governor's office at stake", since the literal mansion has stood unoccupied since Jerry Brown declined to move into it in 1975. Also changed "had large control of" to "had enormous influence over" in the intro about Progressivism.
Now that this article exists I think that much of the text in Arnold's and Gray's articles about the recall can be moved here and replaced by summaries. -- mav 22:20, 7 Aug 2003 (UTC)
The California SoS has stated a official list of candidates should be available on 13 Aug. Once this list is posted, I intend to Wiki it here...Any comments? -- hoshie
I have sought in vain for some kind of simple, coherent explanation of how this will actually be voted. News coverage around here focuses mostly on the rarity of the procedure and amused comments on the number and calibre of candidates.
How exactly will it be voted? There are apparently multiple Republican opponents, a few Democrats, and quite a few unclassified candidates. Is Gov. Davis out if any one candidate draws more votes than he gets? or if his three hundred opponents collectively get more votes? Is there any procedure for a runoff? If so, who becomes governor in the interim? Or does the top vote getter in the October election become governor?
Where is Emperor Norton when you need him? -- IHCOYC 14:59, 10 Aug 2003 (UTC)
<rant>My Gawd! As an American I'm embarrassed by our "democratic" system of government. First Bush won even though more people voted for Gore and now it looks like some nit-wit with possibly less than 10% of the vote will be the next governor of the largest and most powerful state in the Union. This says nothing of our choices, which include; Arnold "The Terminator" Schwarzenegger, Garry "What you talk'n about Willis!" Coleman, Leo "Smash-o-matic" Gallagher, "Billboard babe" Angelyne, and my favorite, Larry "The smut peddler" Flynt. Whose next? These are sad times for the USA.... Altough I'll probably end-up voting for the Running Man just to oust Davis (whom I despise). </rant>-- mav
Travis Kalanick is not on the list. -- 213.73.161.245 00:12, 14 Aug 2003 (UTC)
I removed the following candidates from the notables list:
Georgy Russell Audie Bock Angelyne Gallagher
The reason they were not removed is that have no recieved coverage in the mainstream news. -- hoshie
Security at the event was extreme so I wasn't able to get any photos of Arnold, but these other ones may be useful. However, I'm at work right now and don't have the software needed to crop and resize these images. If somebody else can do this before I get home then that would be great. Otherwise I'll get to it latter tonight. Image:Newsvans at Schwarzenegger inauguration_.JPG, Image:Arnold Schwarzenegger inauguration-crowd.jpg, Image:Arnold Schwarzenegger sexual harassment protestors.JPG. -- mav 21:31, 17 Nov 2003 (UTC)
Newsvans at Schwarzenegger inauguration
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Sexual harassment protestors
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Crowd watching Schwarzenegger inauguration
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Opps! I forgot I even took this one. Image:California Secretary of State building on October 7, 2003.jpg. -- mav
Tom McClintock is referred to as 'state Senator', 'State Senator', and 'state senator'. I'm not sure based on Wikipedia:Typo/capitalization whether it should be 'state senator' or 'state Senator', but it should be consistent. This page is listed in Wikipedia:Typo/capitalization-21. The relevant entry should be removed once the capitalization is fixed. Adjusting
Just for reference: R, W, Q, O, J, M, V, A, H, B, S, G, Z, X, N, T, C, I, E, K, U, P, D, Y, F, L. [3]. Zscout370 (Sound Off) 02:10, 10 September 2005 (UTC)
Their role in this event needs to be touched on, especially the stories they undcovered on Gray "Gumby" Davis and tofu berry shakes...
Given the length of the respective pages, I think that the suggested merge is impractical. Since it has been proposed for months without comment, I am boldly removing the tags. Eluchil404 21:48, 7 October 2006 (UTC)
One major issue that I recall from the recall campaign was the so-called "car tax", which isn't mentioned in this article. California has a vehicle license fee (VLF) which is charged annually to every owner of a California-registered motor vehicle. As of 2003, this fee was by law equal to 2% of the vehicle's market value (according to a statutory depreciation scale), but legislative action since 1998 had gradually reduced the rate to 0.65%, one-third of its original amount. I believe it was described as a "temporary" but indefinite reduction. In 2003, with the budget now very tight, Governor Davis, by executive order, reinstated the 2% rate, effectively tripling the "car tax", as it started to be called by opponents. This was not only an unpopular move but also one of controversial legality, in light of California's constitutional requirement that tax increases be approved by a 2/3 vote of the legislature. There was some question as to whether this applied to ending the "temporary" reduction, or whether the VLF should be considered a tax. In any event, much was made of this move by Governor Davis's opponents in the recall campaign, and it may have significantly contributed to the success of the recall. In fact, upon assuming office, one of Governor Schwarzenegger's first moves was to cancel the VLF increase and order refunds issued to those who had paid the higher rate. 132.239.145.181 ( talk) 21:17, 8 February 2008 (UTC)
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This is really a pretty minor point in the grand scheme of things, but me and Blindman shady seem to disagree on the grammar of the sentence:
"California is one of only 15 states that allow[s] recalls."
To wit, whether the "s" should be there or not. Blindman shady argues that the verb "allows" should agree with "California" (so be singular), whereas I believe the verb should agree with "15 states," and so be plural. Now, "that allow[s] recalls" is a restrictive clause which could in principle modify either "California" or "15 states"; the sentence is grammatically correct either way, although the placement of the clause makes it more natural, to my mind, to read it as modifying "15 states." More significantly, though, the different constructions have different meanings. If the clause modifies "California," the sentence would be equivalent to "There are only 15 states, and California is one that allows recalls." This doesn't seem right to me, because this sentence doesn't explain the relevance of the 15 states. Hence my preference for my version (without the "s"), which is equivalent to "There are only 15 states that allow recalls, and California is one." I'd be interested in people's thoughts on this. VoluntarySlave ( talk) 19:42, 16 June 2008 (UTC)
Blindman shady and I*... had to do it XD
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man
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A write-in candidate is a candidate whose name is not on the ballot. On the table of final results, there are five names listed as write-ins with zero votes. If they were not on the ballot and nobody voted for them, then why are they listed? In fact, why do we bother listing 170 people in the table when only four of them even got one percent of the vote and only 12 with one-tenth of one percent? Yes, Wikipedia is to be comprehensive, but there is a link to the complete by-county results if someone wants to know that. Reywas92 Talk 22:32, 22 November 2008 (UTC)
why is there no mention of "Lester Terry Tate Speight"? http://www.nytimes.com/2003/08/12/business/the-media-business-advertising-the-reebok-campaign-joins-the-california-campaign.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.95.22.155 ( talk) 13:25, 15 July 2011 (UTC)
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I have edited the results table at the end of this article to only include candidates who received 1.00% or greater of the popular vote. I did this because, with well over 100 candidates included, the table was bulky and incomprehensible. While we should aspire to be as comprehensive as possible, listing over 100 names who received a minimal portion of the popular vote (many of the candidates did not even win a tenth of a percent, and at least half a dozen received only one vote, presumably their own) seems a bit overkill. As such, I have reduced the table to include only the five candidates who won at least 1.00% of the vote, and condensed the remainder into a single "other" row.
If anyone has a reason to include a greater number of candidates, please let me know. Nathaniel Greene ( talk) 21:01, 14 April 2014 (UTC)
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I have already voted (absentee) and the article seems to miss the reason that many of my friends will also vote to remove Gray Davis as Governor. It is not about taxes, although our taxes have become a major deterrent to job creation, nor is it a result of the overall state of the California economy. Rather it is about perceived blatant abuse of office to the point where both Rebublicans and Democrats (I am a registered Libertarian) seem to feel sullied. Whether it is because of the money which flowed in from Indian gaming groups, the dumping of previously banned pollutants in San Francisco Bay, or the pandering to Labor bosses by moves such as pay raises for Prison guards or establishing a Union Shop in the California State University system. we believe that our government is for sale to the highest bidder. When it comes to selecting a replacement for Gray Davis you must admit we have a wonderful range to choose from! How about the Trekkie?
I changed the phrase "governor's mansion at stake" to "governor's office at stake", since the literal mansion has stood unoccupied since Jerry Brown declined to move into it in 1975. Also changed "had large control of" to "had enormous influence over" in the intro about Progressivism.
Now that this article exists I think that much of the text in Arnold's and Gray's articles about the recall can be moved here and replaced by summaries. -- mav 22:20, 7 Aug 2003 (UTC)
The California SoS has stated a official list of candidates should be available on 13 Aug. Once this list is posted, I intend to Wiki it here...Any comments? -- hoshie
I have sought in vain for some kind of simple, coherent explanation of how this will actually be voted. News coverage around here focuses mostly on the rarity of the procedure and amused comments on the number and calibre of candidates.
How exactly will it be voted? There are apparently multiple Republican opponents, a few Democrats, and quite a few unclassified candidates. Is Gov. Davis out if any one candidate draws more votes than he gets? or if his three hundred opponents collectively get more votes? Is there any procedure for a runoff? If so, who becomes governor in the interim? Or does the top vote getter in the October election become governor?
Where is Emperor Norton when you need him? -- IHCOYC 14:59, 10 Aug 2003 (UTC)
<rant>My Gawd! As an American I'm embarrassed by our "democratic" system of government. First Bush won even though more people voted for Gore and now it looks like some nit-wit with possibly less than 10% of the vote will be the next governor of the largest and most powerful state in the Union. This says nothing of our choices, which include; Arnold "The Terminator" Schwarzenegger, Garry "What you talk'n about Willis!" Coleman, Leo "Smash-o-matic" Gallagher, "Billboard babe" Angelyne, and my favorite, Larry "The smut peddler" Flynt. Whose next? These are sad times for the USA.... Altough I'll probably end-up voting for the Running Man just to oust Davis (whom I despise). </rant>-- mav
Travis Kalanick is not on the list. -- 213.73.161.245 00:12, 14 Aug 2003 (UTC)
I removed the following candidates from the notables list:
Georgy Russell Audie Bock Angelyne Gallagher
The reason they were not removed is that have no recieved coverage in the mainstream news. -- hoshie
Security at the event was extreme so I wasn't able to get any photos of Arnold, but these other ones may be useful. However, I'm at work right now and don't have the software needed to crop and resize these images. If somebody else can do this before I get home then that would be great. Otherwise I'll get to it latter tonight. Image:Newsvans at Schwarzenegger inauguration_.JPG, Image:Arnold Schwarzenegger inauguration-crowd.jpg, Image:Arnold Schwarzenegger sexual harassment protestors.JPG. -- mav 21:31, 17 Nov 2003 (UTC)
Newsvans at Schwarzenegger inauguration
larger image
Sexual harassment protestors
larger image
Crowd watching Schwarzenegger inauguration
larger image
-- mav 22:23, 17 Nov 2003 (UTC)
Opps! I forgot I even took this one. Image:California Secretary of State building on October 7, 2003.jpg. -- mav
Tom McClintock is referred to as 'state Senator', 'State Senator', and 'state senator'. I'm not sure based on Wikipedia:Typo/capitalization whether it should be 'state senator' or 'state Senator', but it should be consistent. This page is listed in Wikipedia:Typo/capitalization-21. The relevant entry should be removed once the capitalization is fixed. Adjusting
Just for reference: R, W, Q, O, J, M, V, A, H, B, S, G, Z, X, N, T, C, I, E, K, U, P, D, Y, F, L. [3]. Zscout370 (Sound Off) 02:10, 10 September 2005 (UTC)
Their role in this event needs to be touched on, especially the stories they undcovered on Gray "Gumby" Davis and tofu berry shakes...
Given the length of the respective pages, I think that the suggested merge is impractical. Since it has been proposed for months without comment, I am boldly removing the tags. Eluchil404 21:48, 7 October 2006 (UTC)
One major issue that I recall from the recall campaign was the so-called "car tax", which isn't mentioned in this article. California has a vehicle license fee (VLF) which is charged annually to every owner of a California-registered motor vehicle. As of 2003, this fee was by law equal to 2% of the vehicle's market value (according to a statutory depreciation scale), but legislative action since 1998 had gradually reduced the rate to 0.65%, one-third of its original amount. I believe it was described as a "temporary" but indefinite reduction. In 2003, with the budget now very tight, Governor Davis, by executive order, reinstated the 2% rate, effectively tripling the "car tax", as it started to be called by opponents. This was not only an unpopular move but also one of controversial legality, in light of California's constitutional requirement that tax increases be approved by a 2/3 vote of the legislature. There was some question as to whether this applied to ending the "temporary" reduction, or whether the VLF should be considered a tax. In any event, much was made of this move by Governor Davis's opponents in the recall campaign, and it may have significantly contributed to the success of the recall. In fact, upon assuming office, one of Governor Schwarzenegger's first moves was to cancel the VLF increase and order refunds issued to those who had paid the higher rate. 132.239.145.181 ( talk) 21:17, 8 February 2008 (UTC)
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This is really a pretty minor point in the grand scheme of things, but me and Blindman shady seem to disagree on the grammar of the sentence:
"California is one of only 15 states that allow[s] recalls."
To wit, whether the "s" should be there or not. Blindman shady argues that the verb "allows" should agree with "California" (so be singular), whereas I believe the verb should agree with "15 states," and so be plural. Now, "that allow[s] recalls" is a restrictive clause which could in principle modify either "California" or "15 states"; the sentence is grammatically correct either way, although the placement of the clause makes it more natural, to my mind, to read it as modifying "15 states." More significantly, though, the different constructions have different meanings. If the clause modifies "California," the sentence would be equivalent to "There are only 15 states, and California is one that allows recalls." This doesn't seem right to me, because this sentence doesn't explain the relevance of the 15 states. Hence my preference for my version (without the "s"), which is equivalent to "There are only 15 states that allow recalls, and California is one." I'd be interested in people's thoughts on this. VoluntarySlave ( talk) 19:42, 16 June 2008 (UTC)
Blindman shady and I*... had to do it XD
Blind
man
shady 01:15, 17 June 2008 (UTC)
A write-in candidate is a candidate whose name is not on the ballot. On the table of final results, there are five names listed as write-ins with zero votes. If they were not on the ballot and nobody voted for them, then why are they listed? In fact, why do we bother listing 170 people in the table when only four of them even got one percent of the vote and only 12 with one-tenth of one percent? Yes, Wikipedia is to be comprehensive, but there is a link to the complete by-county results if someone wants to know that. Reywas92 Talk 22:32, 22 November 2008 (UTC)
why is there no mention of "Lester Terry Tate Speight"? http://www.nytimes.com/2003/08/12/business/the-media-business-advertising-the-reebok-campaign-joins-the-california-campaign.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.95.22.155 ( talk) 13:25, 15 July 2011 (UTC)
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I have edited the results table at the end of this article to only include candidates who received 1.00% or greater of the popular vote. I did this because, with well over 100 candidates included, the table was bulky and incomprehensible. While we should aspire to be as comprehensive as possible, listing over 100 names who received a minimal portion of the popular vote (many of the candidates did not even win a tenth of a percent, and at least half a dozen received only one vote, presumably their own) seems a bit overkill. As such, I have reduced the table to include only the five candidates who won at least 1.00% of the vote, and condensed the remainder into a single "other" row.
If anyone has a reason to include a greater number of candidates, please let me know. Nathaniel Greene ( talk) 21:01, 14 April 2014 (UTC)
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If a gubernatorial candidate is also a Wikipedia editor can their name be linked to their user page? If so, what is the best way to do that? Jasonagastrich ( talk) 06:10, 4 August 2019 (UTC)
The two successive "background" sections seem to duplicate each other. The petition and candidates are introduced, then introduced again in a successive section. Possibly ( talk) 04:52, 2 February 2021 (UTC)