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See Talk:2-10-4#ISBNs. Slambo (Speak) 14:29, 27 August 2006 (UTC)
Norwegian Railways employed a number of 2-8-4/1-D-2's, dubbed "Dovre Giants". 172.144.142.60 10:58, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
The text claims that NSB class 49 was "the only true compounds owned by the NSB". This claim is surprisingly, since a large number of Norwegian steam locomotives from 1893 onwards with both 2 and 4 cylinder compunds where built: classes 11b, 12b, 13, 15, 16, 18a, 19a, 20a, 21a (2 cylinders not superheated), classes 26, 30, 31 (4 cylinders superheated) and narrow gauge XVIII (4 cylinder Vauclain compound), to mention most of them, unless there is some special meaning in "true compounds"? -- Sveins ( talk) 13:50, 27 May 2018 (UTC)
Cooke Works delivered locomotives in early 1900´s to International Great Northern Railroad. Alco sales records shows ALCo-S 67656 - 67660 / 1928 2-8-4S 28x30 63 385.000 lb Missouri & Pacific Railroad Nr.1121 - 1125. Not International Great Northern Railroad Nr.1121 - 1125. Allocated by Missouri & Pacific to its Texas subsidiary International & Great Northern Railroad. (Same numbers.) Missouri & Pacific Railroad received new Berkshires from Lima 7476 - 7500 / 1930 2-8-4 28x30 63 412.000 lb Nr.1901 - 1925. In this case the correct name is Missouri Pacific Railroad Company (I-GN) Nr.1121 - 1125. Here is interesting detail. Baldwin had delivered to International & Great Northern in 1921 and 1924 ten 2-8-2 Mikado locomotives Nr. 501 - 510 just before the Missouri Pacific Railroad Company gained financial control over the International & Great Northern through its another subsidiary, the New Orleans, Texas, & Mexico Railway Company which purchased International Great Northern Railroad Company on June 20, 1924 only to be itself being purchased by Missouri Pacific Railroad Company and merged on January 1, 1925 to Mo-Pac. International & Great Railroad Company become this way part of Missouri Pacific Railroad Company, but it continued to operate as separate unit until it was finally merged totally to Missouri Pacific Railroad Company on January 1, 1956.
This is pure speculation, but it seems that the parent company, the Missouri Pacific Railroad Company exchanged its five Berkshires against the ten International & Great Northern Railway Company´s Mikado locomotives to be allocated to some other place on the vast network. The Mikados being renumbered Missouri Pacific Railroad Nr. 1101 -1110. And then made an additional order for Lima built new Berkshires Nr.1901 - 1925 in 1929 or 1930.
Lima Nr.1 (The Demonstrator) 28x30 63 385.000 lb was later sold to Illinois Central Railroad where it was numbered to I.C. Nr.7050.
Boston & Maine Railroad Class T-1a locomotives Nr.4000, 4002, 4005, 4006, 4009, 4009, 4010, 4012, 4014, and 4019 were resold in 1945 to Southern Pacific Railroad where they become S.P. Nr´s. 3500 - 3509 respectively.
Boston & Maine Railroad Class T-1a locomotives Nr.4001, 4003, 4004, 4008, 4011, 4015, and 4018 were resold in 1951 to Atchinson, Topeka & Santa Fe Railroad Company where they received new numbers in this respectively order: A.T.&S.F.Nr.4193, 4197, 4194, 4195, 4196, 4198, and 4199.
When New York, Chicago & St.Louis Railroad at first leased the Wheeling & Lake Erie Railroad in 1949 where the Wheeling & Lake Erie Railroad Berkshires renumbered into New York, Chicago & St.Louis Railroad numbering scheme when Wheeling & Lake Erie Railroad was offically incorporated to N.Y.C.&St.L. ( better known as the Nickel Plate Road)? Small details, but important ones just to create a detailed Berkshire type locomotive history in Wikipedia which has not been yet been done.
Would it be better to arrange another list of the US railroads to alternative order showing one group of railroads under same financial ownership which owned Berkshires? Just as Chesapeake & Ohio Railroad, New York, Chicago & St.Louis Railroad, Wheeling & Lake Erie Railroad etc to give a clearer picture.
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The number for the ex-Soviet Class FDp 2-8-4 on a plinth at the back of Kiev Passenger (near the sheds - to which access is not easy to get!) should read "FDp 20-578" and not "IS21-578" - I was there on June 19 this year and have some photos, but there are plenty in the Internet anyway. Maelli ( talk) 13:44, 9 August 2011 (UTC)
Some info that I omitted from the Austria heading during revision since I believe it rather belongs in a loco-specific article. Stored here for easy retrieval. André Kritzinger 00:27, 16 September 2012 (UTC)
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Some info that I omitted from the Brazil heading during revision since I believe it rather belongs in a loco-specific article. Stored here for easy retrieval. André Kritzinger 19:23, 16 September 2012 (UTC)
Some info that I omitted from the Czechoslovakia heading during revision since I believe it rather belongs in a loco-specific article. Stored here for easy retrieval. André Kritzinger 21:12, 16 September 2012 (UTC)
For more details see: Jindrich Bek and Karel Kvarda Atlas Lokomotiv 1 Nadas-Praha 1970. (in Czech)
Some info that I omitted from the Germany heading during revision since I believe it rather belongs in a loco-specific article. Stored here for easy retrieval. André Kritzinger 00:02, 17 September 2012 (UTC)
Some info that I omitted from the Norway heading during revision since I believe it rather belongs in a loco-specific article. Stored here for easy retrieval. André Kritzinger 21:46, 17 September 2012 (UTC)
In summer 1939 the NSB timetable allowed for Class 49 locomotives:
Hauling the northbound express trains (Oslo - Trondheim):
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Some info that I omitted from the Romania heading during revision since I believe it rather belongs in a loco-specific article. Stored here for easy retrieval. André Kritzinger 22:44, 17 September 2012 (UTC)
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Some info that I omitted from the Soviet Union heading during revision since I believe it rather belongs in a loco-specific article. Stored here for easy retrieval. André Kritzinger 21:05, 18 September 2012 (UTC)
On January 1, 1941 class IS20 and IS21 locomotives were allocated to:
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Unfortunately when the Soviet Union collapsed, the former management destroyed all documents of locomotive production. At the moment (2008) only few Voroshilovgrad works numbers for Class IS20 and IS21 are known.
Some info that I omitted from the United States of America heading during revision since I believe it rather belongs in a loco-specific article. Stored here for easy retrieval. André Kritzinger 23:24, 18 September 2012 (UTC)
Preservation
With the success of AMCs design, the Nickel Plate Road (NKP) became synonymous with the Berkshire locomotive type. One of this class, 765, [1] is preserved in operating condition and is operated occasionally on the mainlines of Class I railroads around the United States. NKP 779 is preserved as a static display in Lincoln Park, in Lima, Ohio. [2] Parts from the 779 were used in the general overhaul of the 765, which was completed in 2006. In addition, 759 is stored at the Steamtown National Historic Site, 757 is stored at the Railroad Museum of Pennsylvania, and 755 is stored at the Conneaut Railroad Historical Museum.
In January 2007, the Ohio Central Railroad System purchased NKP 763 from the Virginia Museum of Transportation. The Current owners, as of March 2012, Age of Steam Roundhouse intend on bringing the 763 back to operating status. [3]
Twelve of the Chesapeake and Ohio's "Kanawha" 2-8-4 locomotives are still in existence, with one notable example being 2716. In the early 1980s the engine was rebuilt and briefly operated by the Southern Railway in excursion service, and is today displayed at the Kentucky Railway Museum.
Three other Chesapeake and Ohio Kanawhas are displayed in Virginia; 2732 in Richmond, 2756 in Newport News, and 2760 in Lynchburg. In addition, 2707 is at the Illinois Railway Museum in Union, Illinois. 2789 is being restored at the Hoosier Valley Railroad Museum, and #2755 is on static display in Chief Logan State Park in Logan, West Virginia. The remaining survivors can be found in various states served by the C&O.
Another 2-8-4, Pere Marquette Railway # 1225, which occasionally runs in the upper Midwestern US, was used as the basis for the locomotive in the 2004 CGI-animated movie The Polar Express. A sister engine, Pere Marquette # 1223, is on display in Grand Haven, Michigan. Because 1223 provided parts in the restoration of 1225, 1223 is no longer operable.
The 2-8-4 wheel arrangement is known as a Berkshire, but why do we have two articles? The article Berkshire locomotive should redirect to this article. Aitraintheeditorandgamer ( talk) 05:21, 4 February 2024 (UTC)
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See Talk:2-10-4#ISBNs. Slambo (Speak) 14:29, 27 August 2006 (UTC)
Norwegian Railways employed a number of 2-8-4/1-D-2's, dubbed "Dovre Giants". 172.144.142.60 10:58, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
The text claims that NSB class 49 was "the only true compounds owned by the NSB". This claim is surprisingly, since a large number of Norwegian steam locomotives from 1893 onwards with both 2 and 4 cylinder compunds where built: classes 11b, 12b, 13, 15, 16, 18a, 19a, 20a, 21a (2 cylinders not superheated), classes 26, 30, 31 (4 cylinders superheated) and narrow gauge XVIII (4 cylinder Vauclain compound), to mention most of them, unless there is some special meaning in "true compounds"? -- Sveins ( talk) 13:50, 27 May 2018 (UTC)
Cooke Works delivered locomotives in early 1900´s to International Great Northern Railroad. Alco sales records shows ALCo-S 67656 - 67660 / 1928 2-8-4S 28x30 63 385.000 lb Missouri & Pacific Railroad Nr.1121 - 1125. Not International Great Northern Railroad Nr.1121 - 1125. Allocated by Missouri & Pacific to its Texas subsidiary International & Great Northern Railroad. (Same numbers.) Missouri & Pacific Railroad received new Berkshires from Lima 7476 - 7500 / 1930 2-8-4 28x30 63 412.000 lb Nr.1901 - 1925. In this case the correct name is Missouri Pacific Railroad Company (I-GN) Nr.1121 - 1125. Here is interesting detail. Baldwin had delivered to International & Great Northern in 1921 and 1924 ten 2-8-2 Mikado locomotives Nr. 501 - 510 just before the Missouri Pacific Railroad Company gained financial control over the International & Great Northern through its another subsidiary, the New Orleans, Texas, & Mexico Railway Company which purchased International Great Northern Railroad Company on June 20, 1924 only to be itself being purchased by Missouri Pacific Railroad Company and merged on January 1, 1925 to Mo-Pac. International & Great Railroad Company become this way part of Missouri Pacific Railroad Company, but it continued to operate as separate unit until it was finally merged totally to Missouri Pacific Railroad Company on January 1, 1956.
This is pure speculation, but it seems that the parent company, the Missouri Pacific Railroad Company exchanged its five Berkshires against the ten International & Great Northern Railway Company´s Mikado locomotives to be allocated to some other place on the vast network. The Mikados being renumbered Missouri Pacific Railroad Nr. 1101 -1110. And then made an additional order for Lima built new Berkshires Nr.1901 - 1925 in 1929 or 1930.
Lima Nr.1 (The Demonstrator) 28x30 63 385.000 lb was later sold to Illinois Central Railroad where it was numbered to I.C. Nr.7050.
Boston & Maine Railroad Class T-1a locomotives Nr.4000, 4002, 4005, 4006, 4009, 4009, 4010, 4012, 4014, and 4019 were resold in 1945 to Southern Pacific Railroad where they become S.P. Nr´s. 3500 - 3509 respectively.
Boston & Maine Railroad Class T-1a locomotives Nr.4001, 4003, 4004, 4008, 4011, 4015, and 4018 were resold in 1951 to Atchinson, Topeka & Santa Fe Railroad Company where they received new numbers in this respectively order: A.T.&S.F.Nr.4193, 4197, 4194, 4195, 4196, 4198, and 4199.
When New York, Chicago & St.Louis Railroad at first leased the Wheeling & Lake Erie Railroad in 1949 where the Wheeling & Lake Erie Railroad Berkshires renumbered into New York, Chicago & St.Louis Railroad numbering scheme when Wheeling & Lake Erie Railroad was offically incorporated to N.Y.C.&St.L. ( better known as the Nickel Plate Road)? Small details, but important ones just to create a detailed Berkshire type locomotive history in Wikipedia which has not been yet been done.
Would it be better to arrange another list of the US railroads to alternative order showing one group of railroads under same financial ownership which owned Berkshires? Just as Chesapeake & Ohio Railroad, New York, Chicago & St.Louis Railroad, Wheeling & Lake Erie Railroad etc to give a clearer picture.
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The number for the ex-Soviet Class FDp 2-8-4 on a plinth at the back of Kiev Passenger (near the sheds - to which access is not easy to get!) should read "FDp 20-578" and not "IS21-578" - I was there on June 19 this year and have some photos, but there are plenty in the Internet anyway. Maelli ( talk) 13:44, 9 August 2011 (UTC)
Some info that I omitted from the Austria heading during revision since I believe it rather belongs in a loco-specific article. Stored here for easy retrieval. André Kritzinger 00:27, 16 September 2012 (UTC)
Builder details:
Some info that I omitted from the Brazil heading during revision since I believe it rather belongs in a loco-specific article. Stored here for easy retrieval. André Kritzinger 19:23, 16 September 2012 (UTC)
Some info that I omitted from the Czechoslovakia heading during revision since I believe it rather belongs in a loco-specific article. Stored here for easy retrieval. André Kritzinger 21:12, 16 September 2012 (UTC)
For more details see: Jindrich Bek and Karel Kvarda Atlas Lokomotiv 1 Nadas-Praha 1970. (in Czech)
Some info that I omitted from the Germany heading during revision since I believe it rather belongs in a loco-specific article. Stored here for easy retrieval. André Kritzinger 00:02, 17 September 2012 (UTC)
Some info that I omitted from the Norway heading during revision since I believe it rather belongs in a loco-specific article. Stored here for easy retrieval. André Kritzinger 21:46, 17 September 2012 (UTC)
In summer 1939 the NSB timetable allowed for Class 49 locomotives:
Hauling the northbound express trains (Oslo - Trondheim):
Builder details:
Some info that I omitted from the Romania heading during revision since I believe it rather belongs in a loco-specific article. Stored here for easy retrieval. André Kritzinger 22:44, 17 September 2012 (UTC)
Builder details:
Some info that I omitted from the Soviet Union heading during revision since I believe it rather belongs in a loco-specific article. Stored here for easy retrieval. André Kritzinger 21:05, 18 September 2012 (UTC)
On January 1, 1941 class IS20 and IS21 locomotives were allocated to:
Builder details:
Unfortunately when the Soviet Union collapsed, the former management destroyed all documents of locomotive production. At the moment (2008) only few Voroshilovgrad works numbers for Class IS20 and IS21 are known.
Some info that I omitted from the United States of America heading during revision since I believe it rather belongs in a loco-specific article. Stored here for easy retrieval. André Kritzinger 23:24, 18 September 2012 (UTC)
Preservation
With the success of AMCs design, the Nickel Plate Road (NKP) became synonymous with the Berkshire locomotive type. One of this class, 765, [1] is preserved in operating condition and is operated occasionally on the mainlines of Class I railroads around the United States. NKP 779 is preserved as a static display in Lincoln Park, in Lima, Ohio. [2] Parts from the 779 were used in the general overhaul of the 765, which was completed in 2006. In addition, 759 is stored at the Steamtown National Historic Site, 757 is stored at the Railroad Museum of Pennsylvania, and 755 is stored at the Conneaut Railroad Historical Museum.
In January 2007, the Ohio Central Railroad System purchased NKP 763 from the Virginia Museum of Transportation. The Current owners, as of March 2012, Age of Steam Roundhouse intend on bringing the 763 back to operating status. [3]
Twelve of the Chesapeake and Ohio's "Kanawha" 2-8-4 locomotives are still in existence, with one notable example being 2716. In the early 1980s the engine was rebuilt and briefly operated by the Southern Railway in excursion service, and is today displayed at the Kentucky Railway Museum.
Three other Chesapeake and Ohio Kanawhas are displayed in Virginia; 2732 in Richmond, 2756 in Newport News, and 2760 in Lynchburg. In addition, 2707 is at the Illinois Railway Museum in Union, Illinois. 2789 is being restored at the Hoosier Valley Railroad Museum, and #2755 is on static display in Chief Logan State Park in Logan, West Virginia. The remaining survivors can be found in various states served by the C&O.
Another 2-8-4, Pere Marquette Railway # 1225, which occasionally runs in the upper Midwestern US, was used as the basis for the locomotive in the 2004 CGI-animated movie The Polar Express. A sister engine, Pere Marquette # 1223, is on display in Grand Haven, Michigan. Because 1223 provided parts in the restoration of 1225, 1223 is no longer operable.
The 2-8-4 wheel arrangement is known as a Berkshire, but why do we have two articles? The article Berkshire locomotive should redirect to this article. Aitraintheeditorandgamer ( talk) 05:21, 4 February 2024 (UTC)