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![]() | On 22 December 2022, it was proposed that this article be moved from 1993 UEFA Champions League Final to 1993 UEFA Champions League final. The result of the discussion was moved. |
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BetacommandBot 07:31, 27 October 2007 (UTC)
Please, look at the poster before modifying this page. There's the official name of this match. Goodbye!-- Akrothiri ( talk) 18:19, 21 April 2009 (UTC)
The edit war (see history) only made the article worse. The title is currently at odds with the poster image ("38th European champion clubs' cup final" - "European Cup final" also used in English media in 1993). The information in the article is poor and doesn't explain the disparity.
Can we get an explanation of this in the article? Is it true the CL branding applied only to the group stage, not the final at this time? Did UEFA change the final's name retroactively?
The rude person above didn't give evidence that UEFA called this a "Champions League" final at the time.
The link he provided from UEFA.com in the 2000s also uses the old competition name, confusingly – and it does not specify the final's name.
"Rules and regulations dominated the start and finish of the 1992/93 European Champion Clubs' Cup. Sandwiched in between, however, was some fairly tasty football. No sooner had the legislators rebranded the competition as the UEFA Champions League - formalising the mini-league system of the previous year - than they were forced to reinstate first-round losers Leeds United AFC."
There are also inaccurate statements in the article,
e.g. "The final, which followed the second-ever UEFA Champions League group stage, ..."
but 1991–92 wasn't a "UEFA Champions League". -
Demokra (
talk) 03:28, 26 June 2020 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: moved. per discussion consensus. I perform all my closes the same way: 1) examine the rough proportionality of the different sides, though this is WP:NOTAVOTE, it still matters how many said what. In this case, it's a 50/50 split, and that would typically go no-consensus, but again, this is NOTAVOTE and the arguments themselves matter. 2) I next examine the arguments themselves. Who was saying what, and what evidence was provided? In this case, those in favor of the move provided some sources which demonstrated non-uniform usage. They also cited policy and recent discussions which demonstrate some local consensus on related issues. Those opposing the move simply stated that the name is a proper noun, including "F" in "Final". Some opposed participants also stated that some but not all sources use "F". No participants contend that "F" in "Final" is uniformly capitalized across sources. 3) Next, I examine the policy. In this case, the policy in WP:NCCAPS and MOS:SPORTCAPS is pretty clear: in order for us to capitalize, it should be usually capitalized in our sources. Otherwise, the default is to not capitalize and use sentence case. As indicated by participants on all sides, there are sources where the "F" is not capitalized, it is not uniform and a lowercase "f" does not appear to be particularly rare. This is one of those extremely rare cases where a 50/50 split is actually a consensus, due to the arguments themselves. Arguments made about proper noun usage and some sources do not appear to have been convincing to naive participants joining this discussion. In such cases, we default to policy, which in this case, per the discussion, would result in the pages being moved to the lowercase "f". Any questions? Ask on my talk page. Thanks! ( closed by non-admin page mover) — Shibbolethink ( ♔ ♕) 15:42, 5 January 2023 (UTC)
– As discussed on the 1930 World Cup talk page, the "F" in the final should be lowercase per WP:NCCAPS, as it's not a proper noun. 2600:1700:31BA:9410:901E:79FA:9205:1A1E ( talk) 01:32, 22 December 2022 (UTC) — Relisting. echidnaLives - talk - edits 01:17, 29 December 2022 (UTC)
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Image:Ecf1993.jpg is being used on this article. I notice the image page specifies that the image is being used under fair use but there is no explanation or rationale as to why its use in this Wikipedia article constitutes fair use. In addition to the boilerplate fair use template, you must also write out on the image description page a specific explanation or rationale for why using this image in each article is consistent with fair use.
Please go to the image description page and edit it to include a fair use rationale. Using one of the templates at Wikipedia:Fair use rationale guideline is an easy way to insure that your image is in compliance with Wikipedia policy, but remember that you must complete the template. Do not simply insert a blank template on an image page.
If there is other fair use media, consider checking that you have specified the fair use rationale on the other images used on this page. Note that any fair use images uploaded after 4 May, 2006, and lacking such an explanation will be deleted one week after they have been uploaded, as described on criteria for speedy deletion. If you have any questions please ask them at the Media copyright questions page. Thank you.
BetacommandBot 07:31, 27 October 2007 (UTC)
Please, look at the poster before modifying this page. There's the official name of this match. Goodbye!-- Akrothiri ( talk) 18:19, 21 April 2009 (UTC)
The edit war (see history) only made the article worse. The title is currently at odds with the poster image ("38th European champion clubs' cup final" - "European Cup final" also used in English media in 1993). The information in the article is poor and doesn't explain the disparity.
Can we get an explanation of this in the article? Is it true the CL branding applied only to the group stage, not the final at this time? Did UEFA change the final's name retroactively?
The rude person above didn't give evidence that UEFA called this a "Champions League" final at the time.
The link he provided from UEFA.com in the 2000s also uses the old competition name, confusingly – and it does not specify the final's name.
"Rules and regulations dominated the start and finish of the 1992/93 European Champion Clubs' Cup. Sandwiched in between, however, was some fairly tasty football. No sooner had the legislators rebranded the competition as the UEFA Champions League - formalising the mini-league system of the previous year - than they were forced to reinstate first-round losers Leeds United AFC."
There are also inaccurate statements in the article,
e.g. "The final, which followed the second-ever UEFA Champions League group stage, ..."
but 1991–92 wasn't a "UEFA Champions League". -
Demokra (
talk) 03:28, 26 June 2020 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: moved. per discussion consensus. I perform all my closes the same way: 1) examine the rough proportionality of the different sides, though this is WP:NOTAVOTE, it still matters how many said what. In this case, it's a 50/50 split, and that would typically go no-consensus, but again, this is NOTAVOTE and the arguments themselves matter. 2) I next examine the arguments themselves. Who was saying what, and what evidence was provided? In this case, those in favor of the move provided some sources which demonstrated non-uniform usage. They also cited policy and recent discussions which demonstrate some local consensus on related issues. Those opposing the move simply stated that the name is a proper noun, including "F" in "Final". Some opposed participants also stated that some but not all sources use "F". No participants contend that "F" in "Final" is uniformly capitalized across sources. 3) Next, I examine the policy. In this case, the policy in WP:NCCAPS and MOS:SPORTCAPS is pretty clear: in order for us to capitalize, it should be usually capitalized in our sources. Otherwise, the default is to not capitalize and use sentence case. As indicated by participants on all sides, there are sources where the "F" is not capitalized, it is not uniform and a lowercase "f" does not appear to be particularly rare. This is one of those extremely rare cases where a 50/50 split is actually a consensus, due to the arguments themselves. Arguments made about proper noun usage and some sources do not appear to have been convincing to naive participants joining this discussion. In such cases, we default to policy, which in this case, per the discussion, would result in the pages being moved to the lowercase "f". Any questions? Ask on my talk page. Thanks! ( closed by non-admin page mover) — Shibbolethink ( ♔ ♕) 15:42, 5 January 2023 (UTC)
– As discussed on the 1930 World Cup talk page, the "F" in the final should be lowercase per WP:NCCAPS, as it's not a proper noun. 2600:1700:31BA:9410:901E:79FA:9205:1A1E ( talk) 01:32, 22 December 2022 (UTC) — Relisting. echidnaLives - talk - edits 01:17, 29 December 2022 (UTC)