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The picture contributes nothing except a thin justification to fly the most detestable symbol of political hatred of the 20th century in article space. Removed. Simonm223 ( talk) 16:15, 22 February 2019 (UTC)
@ Ivanvector: the only one of those that is both a focused image and free of controversial markings shows the back end only, unless I am missing one of the pictures. Qwirkle ( talk) 18:20, 6 March 2019 (UTC)
The swastika was used by the Finnish Air Force between 1918-1945. It was adopted because a Swedish count called Eric von Rosen donated the first airplane to the Finnish Air Force that featured the symbol in March 1918. Incidentally, von Rosen was later a Nazi sympathizer, but the swastika was adopted two years before the NSDAP was founded and one year before the predecessor DAP was and has nothing to do with Nazism. Here's an article by the Christian Science Monitor that also prominently features a critical view on using it today: Finland used the swastika before the Nazis. Why do they still? It was removed from the official roundel in 1945 because of association with Nazism, but it's still used in some official air force flags ( picture). There's no reason not to display it per WP:NOTCENSORED, but I don't hold any strong view whether this particular museum photo should be used. But it's a high quality photo. -- Pudeo ( talk) 22:15, 22 February 2019 (UTC)
A search for a different image has been unsuccessful. There are some really good ones out there but not for free use. I've studied the museum images again and think File:Douglas DC-3 (DO-4) Keski-Suomen ilmailumuseo 7.JPG is best. The quality and contrast are very good and the subject is centered in the image. File:Douglas DC-3 (DO-4) Keski-Suomen ilmailumuseo 8.JPG Is a great shot of the museum ceiling but the lighting is glaring through the windows and reflecting badly off the aircraft. File:Douglas DC-3 (DO-4) Keski-Suomen ilmailumuseo 2.JPG is not too bad but I prefer File:Douglas DC-3 (DO-4) Keski-Suomen ilmailumuseo 7.JPG - Samf4u ( talk) 15:27, 24 February 2019 (UTC)
Where is this supposed Nazi Swastika. All I can see is the PROPER NON-Nazi swastika used by the Finnish Air Force. This idiot should get his facts right, as Swastikas have been in use for millennia to symbolise peace and harmony!!!-- Petebutt ( talk) 21:48, 24 February 2019 (UTC)
Editors in the discussion above generally agree that this article should display an image of an aircraft similar to the one involved in this accident; no free images are available of the actual aircraft. Should the image used be one of a museum aircraft of the same series which is cluttered with numerous other aircraft, among them an aircraft displaying a swastika, or should the image be of a deregistered aircraft in service with no other aircraft visible? Other opinions (use a different image altogether, or no image) also welcome, of course. (See examples discussed above) Ivanvector ( Talk/ Edits) 14:51, 6 March 2019 (UTC)
the most detestable symbol of political hatred of the 20th century, but there don’t actually seem to be any hammers or sickles in it at all. Qwirkle ( talk) 17:54, 6 March 2019 (UTC)
While we're talking about things here, should this article be retitled to reflect the fact that the aircraft was a C-47, technically a DC-3 but modified for military use? This model has its own article, Douglas C-47 Skytrain. And what about the use of "crash" instead of "disaster" (as in the lede) or "accident" (as is common in our other articles on aviation incidents)? I'm not posting a requested move just yet, just looking for opinions. Ivanvector ( Talk/ Edits) 15:09, 6 March 2019 (UTC)
The D0-10 airplane was originally a Douglas C-47A-1-DK [2], built in Oklahoma City in 1943 and used by the USAF. After the war it was converted into civilian use, and it was used first by Finnair both as a passenger and cargo plane (as OH-LCK), and only after that used by the Finnish Air Force. Since it was being used as a passenger plane at the time of the crash, it should probably be called just a DC-3 and not a C-47 since it was modified away from pure military use. These planes are called "DC-3"s in Finnish sources. While we're at it, we could solve the question about the Ship of Theseus! -- Pudeo ( talk) 18:05, 6 March 2019 (UTC)
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The picture contributes nothing except a thin justification to fly the most detestable symbol of political hatred of the 20th century in article space. Removed. Simonm223 ( talk) 16:15, 22 February 2019 (UTC)
@ Ivanvector: the only one of those that is both a focused image and free of controversial markings shows the back end only, unless I am missing one of the pictures. Qwirkle ( talk) 18:20, 6 March 2019 (UTC)
The swastika was used by the Finnish Air Force between 1918-1945. It was adopted because a Swedish count called Eric von Rosen donated the first airplane to the Finnish Air Force that featured the symbol in March 1918. Incidentally, von Rosen was later a Nazi sympathizer, but the swastika was adopted two years before the NSDAP was founded and one year before the predecessor DAP was and has nothing to do with Nazism. Here's an article by the Christian Science Monitor that also prominently features a critical view on using it today: Finland used the swastika before the Nazis. Why do they still? It was removed from the official roundel in 1945 because of association with Nazism, but it's still used in some official air force flags ( picture). There's no reason not to display it per WP:NOTCENSORED, but I don't hold any strong view whether this particular museum photo should be used. But it's a high quality photo. -- Pudeo ( talk) 22:15, 22 February 2019 (UTC)
A search for a different image has been unsuccessful. There are some really good ones out there but not for free use. I've studied the museum images again and think File:Douglas DC-3 (DO-4) Keski-Suomen ilmailumuseo 7.JPG is best. The quality and contrast are very good and the subject is centered in the image. File:Douglas DC-3 (DO-4) Keski-Suomen ilmailumuseo 8.JPG Is a great shot of the museum ceiling but the lighting is glaring through the windows and reflecting badly off the aircraft. File:Douglas DC-3 (DO-4) Keski-Suomen ilmailumuseo 2.JPG is not too bad but I prefer File:Douglas DC-3 (DO-4) Keski-Suomen ilmailumuseo 7.JPG - Samf4u ( talk) 15:27, 24 February 2019 (UTC)
Where is this supposed Nazi Swastika. All I can see is the PROPER NON-Nazi swastika used by the Finnish Air Force. This idiot should get his facts right, as Swastikas have been in use for millennia to symbolise peace and harmony!!!-- Petebutt ( talk) 21:48, 24 February 2019 (UTC)
Editors in the discussion above generally agree that this article should display an image of an aircraft similar to the one involved in this accident; no free images are available of the actual aircraft. Should the image used be one of a museum aircraft of the same series which is cluttered with numerous other aircraft, among them an aircraft displaying a swastika, or should the image be of a deregistered aircraft in service with no other aircraft visible? Other opinions (use a different image altogether, or no image) also welcome, of course. (See examples discussed above) Ivanvector ( Talk/ Edits) 14:51, 6 March 2019 (UTC)
the most detestable symbol of political hatred of the 20th century, but there don’t actually seem to be any hammers or sickles in it at all. Qwirkle ( talk) 17:54, 6 March 2019 (UTC)
While we're talking about things here, should this article be retitled to reflect the fact that the aircraft was a C-47, technically a DC-3 but modified for military use? This model has its own article, Douglas C-47 Skytrain. And what about the use of "crash" instead of "disaster" (as in the lede) or "accident" (as is common in our other articles on aviation incidents)? I'm not posting a requested move just yet, just looking for opinions. Ivanvector ( Talk/ Edits) 15:09, 6 March 2019 (UTC)
The D0-10 airplane was originally a Douglas C-47A-1-DK [2], built in Oklahoma City in 1943 and used by the USAF. After the war it was converted into civilian use, and it was used first by Finnair both as a passenger and cargo plane (as OH-LCK), and only after that used by the Finnish Air Force. Since it was being used as a passenger plane at the time of the crash, it should probably be called just a DC-3 and not a C-47 since it was modified away from pure military use. These planes are called "DC-3"s in Finnish sources. While we're at it, we could solve the question about the Ship of Theseus! -- Pudeo ( talk) 18:05, 6 March 2019 (UTC)