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Is the conflict actually referred to as a war? I understand that there was no full-scale fighting, and searches for "Franco-Siamese War" return more results for the 1941 campaign than this. -- Paul_012 ( talk) 16:50, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: not moved. No WP guidelines that I'm aware of (or are mentioned below) indicate the need for a formal declaration before "War" can be used in a title, and no consensus for the new name. -- JHunterJ ( talk) 15:34, 16 June 2012 (UTC)
Franco-Siamese War → Franco-Siamese dispute of 1893 – Looking through Google Books results, most sources don't refer to the dispute as a war. I don't know what practices were at the time, but if a formal declaration is needed for an incident to be called a war then this wasn't one. --Relisted. Armbrust, B.Ed. WrestleMania XXVIII The Undertaker 20–0 09:08, 6 June 2012 (UTC) Paul_012 ( talk) 14:21, 26 May 2012 (UTC)
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Bertdrunk, would you care to elaborate on why you reverted the move? As suggested back in the 2012 RM, the term doesn't appear to be treated as a proper name by most sources, so it should be de-capitalised. While the RM didn't agree on the move to Franco-Siamese dispute of 1893, nobody actually opposed the suggestion to rename the article to Franco-Siamese war with a lowercase w. -- Paul_012 ( talk) 19:10, 8 March 2017 (UTC)
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The result of the move request was: moved to 1893 Franco-Siamese crisis. Participants agreed that this event is not widely described as a "war". The year is being appended to the title as, while it was not in the original proposal, it ultimately achieved unanimous support in the discussion. ( closed by non-admin page mover) ModernDayTrilobite ( talk • contribs) 15:47, 19 January 2024 (UTC)
Franco-Siamese War → Franco-Siamese crisis – or Franco-Siamese conflict – Revisiting this. Having gone through Google Books results for "Franco-Siamese war", "Franco-Siamese crisis", and "Franco-Siamese conflict", it appears that "Franco-Siamese crisis" is by far the most commonly used by sources directly discussing the event, as well as contemporary ones and the history summaries presented in travel guides. Conflict comes second. In contrast, "Franco-Siamese war" was only found in passing or one-off mentions in works whose focus lay elsewhere.
Here's a breakdown of the results I checked that were more directly relevant.
Works that use "crisis":
Works that use "conflict":
Works that use both "crisis" and "conflict"
As mentioned, I didn't find any directly relevant works among those that used "war".
Personally, I slightly prefer "crisis", as "Franco-Thai conflict" sounds a bit too vague/general. (There's also one source that uses "Franco-Siamese conflict" to refer to the Siamese revolution of 1688.) Also, several of the above sources do append "of 1893" on first mention, so Franco-Siamese crisis of 1893 and Franco-Siamese conflict of 1893 are also options to consider. Paul_012 ( talk) 01:42, 11 January 2024 (UTC)
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Is the conflict actually referred to as a war? I understand that there was no full-scale fighting, and searches for "Franco-Siamese War" return more results for the 1941 campaign than this. -- Paul_012 ( talk) 16:50, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: not moved. No WP guidelines that I'm aware of (or are mentioned below) indicate the need for a formal declaration before "War" can be used in a title, and no consensus for the new name. -- JHunterJ ( talk) 15:34, 16 June 2012 (UTC)
Franco-Siamese War → Franco-Siamese dispute of 1893 – Looking through Google Books results, most sources don't refer to the dispute as a war. I don't know what practices were at the time, but if a formal declaration is needed for an incident to be called a war then this wasn't one. --Relisted. Armbrust, B.Ed. WrestleMania XXVIII The Undertaker 20–0 09:08, 6 June 2012 (UTC) Paul_012 ( talk) 14:21, 26 May 2012 (UTC)
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Cheers.— cyberbot II Talk to my owner:Online 06:33, 18 February 2016 (UTC)
Bertdrunk, would you care to elaborate on why you reverted the move? As suggested back in the 2012 RM, the term doesn't appear to be treated as a proper name by most sources, so it should be de-capitalised. While the RM didn't agree on the move to Franco-Siamese dispute of 1893, nobody actually opposed the suggestion to rename the article to Franco-Siamese war with a lowercase w. -- Paul_012 ( talk) 19:10, 8 March 2017 (UTC)
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The result of the move request was: moved to 1893 Franco-Siamese crisis. Participants agreed that this event is not widely described as a "war". The year is being appended to the title as, while it was not in the original proposal, it ultimately achieved unanimous support in the discussion. ( closed by non-admin page mover) ModernDayTrilobite ( talk • contribs) 15:47, 19 January 2024 (UTC)
Franco-Siamese War → Franco-Siamese crisis – or Franco-Siamese conflict – Revisiting this. Having gone through Google Books results for "Franco-Siamese war", "Franco-Siamese crisis", and "Franco-Siamese conflict", it appears that "Franco-Siamese crisis" is by far the most commonly used by sources directly discussing the event, as well as contemporary ones and the history summaries presented in travel guides. Conflict comes second. In contrast, "Franco-Siamese war" was only found in passing or one-off mentions in works whose focus lay elsewhere.
Here's a breakdown of the results I checked that were more directly relevant.
Works that use "crisis":
Works that use "conflict":
Works that use both "crisis" and "conflict"
As mentioned, I didn't find any directly relevant works among those that used "war".
Personally, I slightly prefer "crisis", as "Franco-Thai conflict" sounds a bit too vague/general. (There's also one source that uses "Franco-Siamese conflict" to refer to the Siamese revolution of 1688.) Also, several of the above sources do append "of 1893" on first mention, so Franco-Siamese crisis of 1893 and Franco-Siamese conflict of 1893 are also options to consider. Paul_012 ( talk) 01:42, 11 January 2024 (UTC)