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I was relying on the party labels used in the
1st United States Congress article. The book I was mostly following labels Ashe and Bloodworth as anti-federalists and Williamson, Steele and Sevier as federalists. I see the difficulty is with Williamson, who is described as a federalist by Dubin and the Congressional Biographical Directory but as anti-Administration in the other article. There is some discussion of parties in the Talk page for the 1st US Congress article. I am not sure where the party information used in that article comes from, but presumably the different articles should agree. --
Gary J20:19, 11 November 2007 (UTC)reply
Dubin disagrees quite a few times on the party affiliations in different states. Also, in Virginia 7th. he gives Spencer Roane 46 votes, Merriwether Smith 44 votes, scattering 3 votes, and declares Spencer Roane the winner (based on incomplete returns from Essex, Lancaster and Westmoreland counties only)
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Comment β I'm not sure MOS:DATERANGE applies here because it's not a case of election cycles that span the two years (i.e., primaries in 1902 and general elections in 1903), which would be a range, but a case of the elections for seats in the House and Senate, some of which are held in 1902 and others in 1903, which would be two groups of things that happen to be in sequential years. Beyond that, the default under MOS:DATERANGE is YYYYβYYYY. YYYYβYY is permitted in some instances (including two sequential years), but as an exception, not a requirement. β
Carter (Tcr25) (
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21:42, 19 November 2022 (UTC)reply
Either some MOS:DATERANGE format like YYYYβYYYY or YYYYβYY, or rename the pages with an ordinal number like
58th United States Senate elections or
United States Senate elections to the 58th United States Congress. This was a period when each state decided its own separate date for its congressional elections, whether in the even-numbered year before and in the odd-numbered year when a Congress convened. And since sessions like the
58th United States Congress use to begin in March of the odd-numbered year, it left states plenty of time to wait until January to hold their elections. So it was not really "two groups of things that happen to be in sequential years" per se, but one series of elections that spanned two sequential years to elect a specific meeting of Congress. The modern congressional election cycle with every regular election on a single even-numbered year did not occur for the House until 1880, and did not happen for the Senate until after 1913. Therefore a MOS:DATERANGE format should be appropriate here like
2022β23 NBA season. The ordinal number suggestion popped into my head because I am reminded of the
Academy Awards articles, like for example the
94th Academy Awards where the ceremony held in 2022 honors films released in 2021.
Zzyzx11 (
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10:09, 20 November 2022 (UTC)reply
I support changing the page name to a YYYYβYY format but an ordinal might be preferable. I would add that per your comment, each article should make very clear in the introductory paragraph that they were elections to the XXth Senate or Congress to clarify and avoid confusion. Something like "Elections to the XXth United States Senate were held throughout YYYY and YYYY. Prior to the passage of the
17th Amendment to the United States Constitution, United States Senators were elected by a resolution of their respective state legislature at a date of their choosing." Especially as we add maps to these articles (kudos to
Richard Kickem), it becomes necessary to note that the articles are delineated by the Congress, not quite by year. For example,
Hernando Money was elected to the
62nd United States Congress in 1908 due to an early resolution of the Mississippi legislature, but that Congress did not actually happen until 1911; his election is rightly listed with the
1910 and 1911 United States Senate elections.
-A-M-B-1996- (
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22:04, 21 November 2022 (UTC)reply
Comment Definitely support replacing the "and" with an endash and don't really care either way whether it's 1912β13 or 1912β1913. Cheers,
Number5720:05, 20 November 2022 (UTC)reply
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I was relying on the party labels used in the
1st United States Congress article. The book I was mostly following labels Ashe and Bloodworth as anti-federalists and Williamson, Steele and Sevier as federalists. I see the difficulty is with Williamson, who is described as a federalist by Dubin and the Congressional Biographical Directory but as anti-Administration in the other article. There is some discussion of parties in the Talk page for the 1st US Congress article. I am not sure where the party information used in that article comes from, but presumably the different articles should agree. --
Gary J20:19, 11 November 2007 (UTC)reply
Dubin disagrees quite a few times on the party affiliations in different states. Also, in Virginia 7th. he gives Spencer Roane 46 votes, Merriwether Smith 44 votes, scattering 3 votes, and declares Spencer Roane the winner (based on incomplete returns from Essex, Lancaster and Westmoreland counties only)
Rmallett (
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16:54, 3 July 2015 (UTC)reply
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Comment β I'm not sure MOS:DATERANGE applies here because it's not a case of election cycles that span the two years (i.e., primaries in 1902 and general elections in 1903), which would be a range, but a case of the elections for seats in the House and Senate, some of which are held in 1902 and others in 1903, which would be two groups of things that happen to be in sequential years. Beyond that, the default under MOS:DATERANGE is YYYYβYYYY. YYYYβYY is permitted in some instances (including two sequential years), but as an exception, not a requirement. β
Carter (Tcr25) (
talk)
21:42, 19 November 2022 (UTC)reply
Either some MOS:DATERANGE format like YYYYβYYYY or YYYYβYY, or rename the pages with an ordinal number like
58th United States Senate elections or
United States Senate elections to the 58th United States Congress. This was a period when each state decided its own separate date for its congressional elections, whether in the even-numbered year before and in the odd-numbered year when a Congress convened. And since sessions like the
58th United States Congress use to begin in March of the odd-numbered year, it left states plenty of time to wait until January to hold their elections. So it was not really "two groups of things that happen to be in sequential years" per se, but one series of elections that spanned two sequential years to elect a specific meeting of Congress. The modern congressional election cycle with every regular election on a single even-numbered year did not occur for the House until 1880, and did not happen for the Senate until after 1913. Therefore a MOS:DATERANGE format should be appropriate here like
2022β23 NBA season. The ordinal number suggestion popped into my head because I am reminded of the
Academy Awards articles, like for example the
94th Academy Awards where the ceremony held in 2022 honors films released in 2021.
Zzyzx11 (
talk)
10:09, 20 November 2022 (UTC)reply
I support changing the page name to a YYYYβYY format but an ordinal might be preferable. I would add that per your comment, each article should make very clear in the introductory paragraph that they were elections to the XXth Senate or Congress to clarify and avoid confusion. Something like "Elections to the XXth United States Senate were held throughout YYYY and YYYY. Prior to the passage of the
17th Amendment to the United States Constitution, United States Senators were elected by a resolution of their respective state legislature at a date of their choosing." Especially as we add maps to these articles (kudos to
Richard Kickem), it becomes necessary to note that the articles are delineated by the Congress, not quite by year. For example,
Hernando Money was elected to the
62nd United States Congress in 1908 due to an early resolution of the Mississippi legislature, but that Congress did not actually happen until 1911; his election is rightly listed with the
1910 and 1911 United States Senate elections.
-A-M-B-1996- (
talk)
22:04, 21 November 2022 (UTC)reply
Comment Definitely support replacing the "and" with an endash and don't really care either way whether it's 1912β13 or 1912β1913. Cheers,
Number5720:05, 20 November 2022 (UTC)reply
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.