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Anyone with info on progress of the standard by ITU-T, please update relevant explanations to the article and don't forget to include references. Extra stuff on the process of developing the standard or more detailed specifications could presumably be added to the G.987 page?
However, 10GPON is going to be around for a long time so lets make this a fairly comprehensive article! Any suggestions for section headings? Perhaps:
Webwat ( talk) 09:25, 2 November 2010 (UTC)
-- Opticalgirl ( talk) 21:54, 6 November 2010 (UTC)
yes the PON page definitely needs a bit more info, and maybe a comparison of PON vs P2P belongs there under a new section if somebody gets around to covering that debate -- also what type of applications are more suited to each.
I think there does need to be something about terminal equipment, mainly because thats the bit that tends to be forgotten about in general discussions. There will be a few issues relevant to 10G networks such as the emerging G.hn home networking standard (ph line, coax, power line) that has not been available on most 1G networks, and may be crucial in getting improved uptake. Another issue could be with MDUs connecting more users with faster links, so the ONU might evolve into a chassis or something quite different from common G-PON or EPON gear.
Applications are really important because thats what has been driving development of both the 10G PON standards. So the question would be "what are users likely to adopt if faster speeds are there, and what do they want enough to demand and pay for the faster speed enabled by this technology?".
-- Webwat ( talk) 01:51, 9 November 2010 (UTC)
After a quick look, it seems the standard calls it XG-PON, so that might be a better name for the article. To me, having a separate article for G.987 does not make any sense. Just point it to here or unlink it. One relatively jargon-free article about both the technology and its standardization committee would be a better service to a reader like me. Also need to clarify relation to 10G-EPON and the 10 Gigabit Ethernet WAN PHYs. I did realize that G.984 is the article on the family, and oddly includes sections on G.987 and G.988 as well, which does not seem consistent. W Nowicki ( talk) 19:57, 7 May 2011 (UTC)
Glad to hear at least someone will help, it needs it. Generally my attitude is that we could use fewer articles with more text and references before we create new stubs. Wikipedia is not a dictionary, so each "term" does not get its own article, but only "topics" that are independently notable. My suggestion would be to beef up, say, the Passive optical network article first into a coherent narative. Yes, passive optical has a long history before GPON as I understand, and we need to make that clear. We should use full citations instead of inline links. And then if a section gets too big, spin it off to its own article with summary there. I also prefer fully spelled out words as titles, and not acronyms nor standard numbers. That way if future standards or acronyms apply to he same concept, the article conveys a complete story. Right now, for example, Optical Distribution Network and Optical distribution network redirect to ODN which is a disambig page, not a good idea. Is this what you meant? I vote for lower case full words by the way as article titles; acronym are not always proper nouns (although some are). I also ran across Next-generation access which bothers me. I these all could merge into Fiber to the x which is not the best title in the world either for that matter, but covers the basic concept. W Nowicki ( talk) 23:15, 24 August 2011 (UTC)
I though I added a comment yesterday but somehow did not "take". Perhaps I forgot to save before shutting down. Anyway, thanks, that is a step. I also fixed the lower-case Optical distribution network redirect. That is where the article would go, since it is a general concept and not a proper noun (there can be more than one in the world) even if it is often acronymed as above. I should note there is also a Backhaul (telecommunications) article which overlaps too. I suspect that term might be more common in wireless (mobile phone) networks? Again, "topics" get an article, not each term for the same concept. W Nowicki ( talk) 19:56, 1 September 2011 (UTC)
Back to the name of this topic: it seems the standards are officially "10-Gigabit-capable passive optical network systems" with the XG-PON abbreviation used. However, the marketing prefers to use the "10G" moniker. My guess is this is intended to sound "bigger and better" than the fairly meaningless 4G marketing term? After all, ten is bigger than four so it must be better. W Nowicki ( talk) 23:43, 1 September 2011 (UTC)
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Will update it to the Version 2.0 link — http://www.ftthcouncil.eu/resources/ftth-business-guide-2011--second-edition?media_id=1376 Webwat ( talk) 06:40, 23 August 2011 (UTC)
During several automated bot runs the following external link was found to be unavailable. Please check if the link is in fact down and fix or remove it in that case!
-- JeffGBot ( talk) 22:25, 31 May 2011 (UTC)
New edition 4 so will update the link to http://www.ftthcouncil.eu/resources/ftth-handbook-2011--fourth-edition?media_id=1382
Thanks Webwat ( talk) 06:42, 23 August 2011 (UTC) Daveburstein ( talk) 02:29, 22 October 2021 (UTC) Application section mostly worked in GPON, not requiring 10 Gbps. Unhelpful. Added XGS to XG PON, now becoming important. AT&T described 15M lines of XGS. Sasktel and others also doing XGS Dave
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Anyone with info on progress of the standard by ITU-T, please update relevant explanations to the article and don't forget to include references. Extra stuff on the process of developing the standard or more detailed specifications could presumably be added to the G.987 page?
However, 10GPON is going to be around for a long time so lets make this a fairly comprehensive article! Any suggestions for section headings? Perhaps:
Webwat ( talk) 09:25, 2 November 2010 (UTC)
-- Opticalgirl ( talk) 21:54, 6 November 2010 (UTC)
yes the PON page definitely needs a bit more info, and maybe a comparison of PON vs P2P belongs there under a new section if somebody gets around to covering that debate -- also what type of applications are more suited to each.
I think there does need to be something about terminal equipment, mainly because thats the bit that tends to be forgotten about in general discussions. There will be a few issues relevant to 10G networks such as the emerging G.hn home networking standard (ph line, coax, power line) that has not been available on most 1G networks, and may be crucial in getting improved uptake. Another issue could be with MDUs connecting more users with faster links, so the ONU might evolve into a chassis or something quite different from common G-PON or EPON gear.
Applications are really important because thats what has been driving development of both the 10G PON standards. So the question would be "what are users likely to adopt if faster speeds are there, and what do they want enough to demand and pay for the faster speed enabled by this technology?".
-- Webwat ( talk) 01:51, 9 November 2010 (UTC)
After a quick look, it seems the standard calls it XG-PON, so that might be a better name for the article. To me, having a separate article for G.987 does not make any sense. Just point it to here or unlink it. One relatively jargon-free article about both the technology and its standardization committee would be a better service to a reader like me. Also need to clarify relation to 10G-EPON and the 10 Gigabit Ethernet WAN PHYs. I did realize that G.984 is the article on the family, and oddly includes sections on G.987 and G.988 as well, which does not seem consistent. W Nowicki ( talk) 19:57, 7 May 2011 (UTC)
Glad to hear at least someone will help, it needs it. Generally my attitude is that we could use fewer articles with more text and references before we create new stubs. Wikipedia is not a dictionary, so each "term" does not get its own article, but only "topics" that are independently notable. My suggestion would be to beef up, say, the Passive optical network article first into a coherent narative. Yes, passive optical has a long history before GPON as I understand, and we need to make that clear. We should use full citations instead of inline links. And then if a section gets too big, spin it off to its own article with summary there. I also prefer fully spelled out words as titles, and not acronyms nor standard numbers. That way if future standards or acronyms apply to he same concept, the article conveys a complete story. Right now, for example, Optical Distribution Network and Optical distribution network redirect to ODN which is a disambig page, not a good idea. Is this what you meant? I vote for lower case full words by the way as article titles; acronym are not always proper nouns (although some are). I also ran across Next-generation access which bothers me. I these all could merge into Fiber to the x which is not the best title in the world either for that matter, but covers the basic concept. W Nowicki ( talk) 23:15, 24 August 2011 (UTC)
I though I added a comment yesterday but somehow did not "take". Perhaps I forgot to save before shutting down. Anyway, thanks, that is a step. I also fixed the lower-case Optical distribution network redirect. That is where the article would go, since it is a general concept and not a proper noun (there can be more than one in the world) even if it is often acronymed as above. I should note there is also a Backhaul (telecommunications) article which overlaps too. I suspect that term might be more common in wireless (mobile phone) networks? Again, "topics" get an article, not each term for the same concept. W Nowicki ( talk) 19:56, 1 September 2011 (UTC)
Back to the name of this topic: it seems the standards are officially "10-Gigabit-capable passive optical network systems" with the XG-PON abbreviation used. However, the marketing prefers to use the "10G" moniker. My guess is this is intended to sound "bigger and better" than the fairly meaningless 4G marketing term? After all, ten is bigger than four so it must be better. W Nowicki ( talk) 23:43, 1 September 2011 (UTC)
During several automated bot runs the following external link was found to be unavailable. Please check if the link is in fact down and fix or remove it in that case!
-- JeffGBot ( talk) 22:25, 31 May 2011 (UTC)
Will update it to the Version 2.0 link — http://www.ftthcouncil.eu/resources/ftth-business-guide-2011--second-edition?media_id=1376 Webwat ( talk) 06:40, 23 August 2011 (UTC)
During several automated bot runs the following external link was found to be unavailable. Please check if the link is in fact down and fix or remove it in that case!
-- JeffGBot ( talk) 22:25, 31 May 2011 (UTC)
New edition 4 so will update the link to http://www.ftthcouncil.eu/resources/ftth-handbook-2011--fourth-edition?media_id=1382
Thanks Webwat ( talk) 06:42, 23 August 2011 (UTC) Daveburstein ( talk) 02:29, 22 October 2021 (UTC) Application section mostly worked in GPON, not requiring 10 Gbps. Unhelpful. Added XGS to XG PON, now becoming important. AT&T described 15M lines of XGS. Sasktel and others also doing XGS Dave