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The WPMILHIST tag has been removed due to this article not being military related. Oldwildbill 06:41, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
Are there any rifles of carbines chambered for this cartridge?
Big Horn Armoury will custom build you a either an Ar-15 variant in 500 s&w or a lever action in 500 s&w
The paragraph concerning "power" should be deleted it appears to be for the .50 AE (Action Express) as opposed to the .500 S&W which is the most powerful production handgun in the world according to energy. The peak energy calculated with the reloading data available on the Hodgdon's website (Taking the highest velocity at each given bullet weight) is 3122 ftlbs. (370 grain bullet propelled by 41.0 grains of Lil'Gun powder to a velocity of 1831 fps) Peak energy for the .460 S&W is 2847 ftlbs and for the .454 Cassull is 2205 ftlbs using identical methodology Bfjksig201 23:57, 27 November 2006 (UTC)Bfjksig201 11/27/2006
I believe the claim of "most powerful" needs to be limited to commercial production ammunition rather than handloads. .500 S&W achieves 2659 ft-lbs with its 440 gr load at 2650 fps, the .460 S&W achieves 2410 ft-lbs with its 200 gr load at 2330 fps.
If you move into handloads, the claims will continually be out-doing each other. If you go to handloading, the .50 Beowulf cartridge has higher powder grain capacity.
Agreed...
Handloaders can push the cartridge performance envelope beyond what is reasonable. Very few handloaders have equipment which can verify that the pressure of a particular load is within safe pressure limits. While the load may be safe, the description of a cartridge does include SAAMI pressure limit. If it does exceed this limit it should not be 500 S&W Magnum load.
Friendly Criticism of the Argument
Problem here is that the 50 Beowulf is a rifle cartridge not a handgun cartridge. It is designed ground up as a rifle cartridge to replace the 5.56 NATO in a rebarreled AR-15 type rifle. The Beowulf's rebated rim has the same dimensions as a 5.56 NATO cartridge and fits inside a STANAG magazine. Clearly if the Beowulf is included, the argument that the 600 Nitro Express is the most powerful handgun cartridge just because Pfeifer Zeliska manufactures a revolver for this cartridge would be a winner.
I added a NPOV Disputed tag after the following line. "Known as a "Vest Buster", in some leftist groups that think game wears vests." No cite for the nickname, nor for the deer wearing Dragon Skin.
i added the fact that the game wears vests, as it was as much true as the vestbuster comment.
Perhaps the VPC link should be deleted? The VPC has a history of being... not so truthful and deceptive, to say the least.
I absolutely love whoever added "Distal radius fracture" to the list of links. That's subtle comedy at its best. It also might be a useful link for anyone firing this cartridge without preparation! Wild T 12:38, 25 August 2007 (UTC)
Only a handful of revolvers? Those are each a handful in their own right!
This is a bit irritating: "provides power similar to long established wildcat cartridges such as [...] pistol loadings of the .45-70 Government". Yet the S&W article claims 3.5 kJ of energy, while the 45-70 article states for pistols like the Contender (which probably works more efficient than revolver and uses a longer barrel) "Even the shortest barrel, 14 inches, is easily capable of producing well over 2,000 ft·lbf (2,700 J) of energy" Tierlieb ( talk) 11:59, 18 March 2008 (UTC)
The article describes this thing as a "handgun cartridge", and yes it was originally developed for use in a revolver, but based on size, shape, and performance, it appears for all the world like a nineteenth century rifle cartridge, and a pretty big one at that. Other than the fact that S&W built a pistol for it (and there are definitely other pistols that can fire rifle cartridges), is there anything that differentiates this round from a rifle cartridge? JDS2005 ( talk) 07:58, 4 July 2008 (UTC)
This revolver caliber is so strong as the .308 Winchester , a rifle caliber. Agre22 ( talk) 12:37, 15 August 2009 (UTC)agre22
Handloading manuals provide a range from 2.040 inches (Hornady) to 2.290 inches (Reloader Bench). The S&W revolvers will accept a 2.300 inch cartridge. Websites which provide reloading data provide many loads which have 2.290 as the M.C.O.L. Loading the 700 gr. bullets generally requires that the M.C.O.L. be 2.275 inches or greater.
Does anyone have any thoughts regarding this? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.144.177.87 ( talk) 06:02, 1 October 2009 (UTC)
Consolidate, merge, combine (or whatever Wiki speak is used) this article with Smith & Wesson Model 500.
As far as the maximum cartridge length goes, the cylinder is about 2.5 inches long. If you are into 700 grain compressed loads, then that is the limit. Most shooters use a 300 - 500 grain bullets (which produce higher muzzle velocities) and a shorter cartridge; some where around 2.1 - 2.2 inches. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.179.189.65 ( talk) 07:04, 24 December 2009 (UTC)
What would happen if you shoot JHP at someone's head? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.219.148.155 ( talk) 19:39, 23 March 2010 (UTC)
Brains, brains everywhere. The exit wound would be tremendous, assuming the whole top half of the skull doesn't completely shatter open due to hydrostatic shock pushing outward on the inside of the skull. Even if that happened, the lower portion of the head would likely remain, so it wouldn't quite be the head-exploding critical headshot seen in video games and such. It would certainly be a messy, instant death, though. 64.6.121.115 ( talk) 12:59, 12 July 2010 (UTC) Azukki
The issue here is that the .500 S&W is not a true 50 caliber per se. In very general terms a .50 caliber is actually a .510 caliber (.50 Linebaugh cartridges). Due to Federal firearms regualtion (distructive device) it was safer to go with a .500 diameter bullet ( as was the case with Evan Whildin) and avoid potential paperwork. Any thoughts as how to add some clarity to the designation? DeusImperator ( talk) 12:13, 3 September 2010 (UTC)
The recoil of this cartridge is very strong. All of the above features reduce the recoil which usually causes the muzzle to rise and produces a "straight back" effect. The .500 S&W Magnum is so powerful that the shock wave from the firing of a cartridge can cause eye[citation needed] and hearing damage; it is prudent to wear safety glasses and "ear muff" hearing protection when shooting this pistol.
A re-write of this might be in order. Recoil being very strong. Only taking an issue with the wording. Perhaps thre is a better way of saying it. The .500 S&W Magnum is so powerful that the shock wave from the firing of a cartridge can cause eye[citation needed] and hearing damage... Detaching retinae from concussive muzzle blast? and hearing damage; it is prudent to wear safety glasses and "ear muff" hearing protection when shooting this pistol. - True for all firearms for the most part... DeusImperator ( talk) 12:36, 3 September 2010 (UTC)
The .500 S&W Mag. is best treated as a semi-rimmed cartridge. Relative to the body diameter the rim extends only .015" over body diameter. The cartridge has a distinct usable extraction grove. If there is any disagreement this can be just changed back. DeusImperator ( talk) 20:37, 4 September 2010 (UTC)
SAAMI specification calls for a COL of 2.250. I have made that change to the InfoBox and to the diagram to conform to SAAMI established standard.
The section presents two opposing points of view in a seemingly balanced manner. Neither of the sides presented however is remotely neutral, and two wrongs do not make a right. — Robert Greer ( talk) 18:47, 6 March 2011 (UTC)
And...? Do you have anything constructive to say? 142.179.58.80 ( talk) 16:35, 3 April 2011 (UTC)
I removed this section, mainly because it was just a little soapbox that served no other purpose. It was also written with the assumption that the US is the only country in the English-speaking world. There will always be some group in some country that is trying to get something outlawed. This is rarely noteworthy unless such campaigns are actually successful. HereticBleach ( talk) 20:36, 3 May 2012 (UTC)
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With what barrel length has this been measured? -- 92.107.111.78 ( talk) 17:50, 1 November 2011 (UTC)
Just want to see what others think and not be obnoxious with the improve tags. Stateofyolandia ( talk) 05:44, 18 May 2013 (UTC)
Compared to the next most powerful commercial sporting handgun cartridge, the .460 S&W Magnum, which can launch a 325 gr (21.1 g) at 1,650 ft/s (500 m/s) or a 395 gr (25.6 g) at 1,525 ft/s (465 m/s).
This isn't a complete sentence.
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The WPMILHIST tag has been removed due to this article not being military related. Oldwildbill 06:41, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
Are there any rifles of carbines chambered for this cartridge?
Big Horn Armoury will custom build you a either an Ar-15 variant in 500 s&w or a lever action in 500 s&w
The paragraph concerning "power" should be deleted it appears to be for the .50 AE (Action Express) as opposed to the .500 S&W which is the most powerful production handgun in the world according to energy. The peak energy calculated with the reloading data available on the Hodgdon's website (Taking the highest velocity at each given bullet weight) is 3122 ftlbs. (370 grain bullet propelled by 41.0 grains of Lil'Gun powder to a velocity of 1831 fps) Peak energy for the .460 S&W is 2847 ftlbs and for the .454 Cassull is 2205 ftlbs using identical methodology Bfjksig201 23:57, 27 November 2006 (UTC)Bfjksig201 11/27/2006
I believe the claim of "most powerful" needs to be limited to commercial production ammunition rather than handloads. .500 S&W achieves 2659 ft-lbs with its 440 gr load at 2650 fps, the .460 S&W achieves 2410 ft-lbs with its 200 gr load at 2330 fps.
If you move into handloads, the claims will continually be out-doing each other. If you go to handloading, the .50 Beowulf cartridge has higher powder grain capacity.
Agreed...
Handloaders can push the cartridge performance envelope beyond what is reasonable. Very few handloaders have equipment which can verify that the pressure of a particular load is within safe pressure limits. While the load may be safe, the description of a cartridge does include SAAMI pressure limit. If it does exceed this limit it should not be 500 S&W Magnum load.
Friendly Criticism of the Argument
Problem here is that the 50 Beowulf is a rifle cartridge not a handgun cartridge. It is designed ground up as a rifle cartridge to replace the 5.56 NATO in a rebarreled AR-15 type rifle. The Beowulf's rebated rim has the same dimensions as a 5.56 NATO cartridge and fits inside a STANAG magazine. Clearly if the Beowulf is included, the argument that the 600 Nitro Express is the most powerful handgun cartridge just because Pfeifer Zeliska manufactures a revolver for this cartridge would be a winner.
I added a NPOV Disputed tag after the following line. "Known as a "Vest Buster", in some leftist groups that think game wears vests." No cite for the nickname, nor for the deer wearing Dragon Skin.
i added the fact that the game wears vests, as it was as much true as the vestbuster comment.
Perhaps the VPC link should be deleted? The VPC has a history of being... not so truthful and deceptive, to say the least.
I absolutely love whoever added "Distal radius fracture" to the list of links. That's subtle comedy at its best. It also might be a useful link for anyone firing this cartridge without preparation! Wild T 12:38, 25 August 2007 (UTC)
Only a handful of revolvers? Those are each a handful in their own right!
This is a bit irritating: "provides power similar to long established wildcat cartridges such as [...] pistol loadings of the .45-70 Government". Yet the S&W article claims 3.5 kJ of energy, while the 45-70 article states for pistols like the Contender (which probably works more efficient than revolver and uses a longer barrel) "Even the shortest barrel, 14 inches, is easily capable of producing well over 2,000 ft·lbf (2,700 J) of energy" Tierlieb ( talk) 11:59, 18 March 2008 (UTC)
The article describes this thing as a "handgun cartridge", and yes it was originally developed for use in a revolver, but based on size, shape, and performance, it appears for all the world like a nineteenth century rifle cartridge, and a pretty big one at that. Other than the fact that S&W built a pistol for it (and there are definitely other pistols that can fire rifle cartridges), is there anything that differentiates this round from a rifle cartridge? JDS2005 ( talk) 07:58, 4 July 2008 (UTC)
This revolver caliber is so strong as the .308 Winchester , a rifle caliber. Agre22 ( talk) 12:37, 15 August 2009 (UTC)agre22
Handloading manuals provide a range from 2.040 inches (Hornady) to 2.290 inches (Reloader Bench). The S&W revolvers will accept a 2.300 inch cartridge. Websites which provide reloading data provide many loads which have 2.290 as the M.C.O.L. Loading the 700 gr. bullets generally requires that the M.C.O.L. be 2.275 inches or greater.
Does anyone have any thoughts regarding this? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.144.177.87 ( talk) 06:02, 1 October 2009 (UTC)
Consolidate, merge, combine (or whatever Wiki speak is used) this article with Smith & Wesson Model 500.
As far as the maximum cartridge length goes, the cylinder is about 2.5 inches long. If you are into 700 grain compressed loads, then that is the limit. Most shooters use a 300 - 500 grain bullets (which produce higher muzzle velocities) and a shorter cartridge; some where around 2.1 - 2.2 inches. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.179.189.65 ( talk) 07:04, 24 December 2009 (UTC)
What would happen if you shoot JHP at someone's head? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.219.148.155 ( talk) 19:39, 23 March 2010 (UTC)
Brains, brains everywhere. The exit wound would be tremendous, assuming the whole top half of the skull doesn't completely shatter open due to hydrostatic shock pushing outward on the inside of the skull. Even if that happened, the lower portion of the head would likely remain, so it wouldn't quite be the head-exploding critical headshot seen in video games and such. It would certainly be a messy, instant death, though. 64.6.121.115 ( talk) 12:59, 12 July 2010 (UTC) Azukki
The issue here is that the .500 S&W is not a true 50 caliber per se. In very general terms a .50 caliber is actually a .510 caliber (.50 Linebaugh cartridges). Due to Federal firearms regualtion (distructive device) it was safer to go with a .500 diameter bullet ( as was the case with Evan Whildin) and avoid potential paperwork. Any thoughts as how to add some clarity to the designation? DeusImperator ( talk) 12:13, 3 September 2010 (UTC)
The recoil of this cartridge is very strong. All of the above features reduce the recoil which usually causes the muzzle to rise and produces a "straight back" effect. The .500 S&W Magnum is so powerful that the shock wave from the firing of a cartridge can cause eye[citation needed] and hearing damage; it is prudent to wear safety glasses and "ear muff" hearing protection when shooting this pistol.
A re-write of this might be in order. Recoil being very strong. Only taking an issue with the wording. Perhaps thre is a better way of saying it. The .500 S&W Magnum is so powerful that the shock wave from the firing of a cartridge can cause eye[citation needed] and hearing damage... Detaching retinae from concussive muzzle blast? and hearing damage; it is prudent to wear safety glasses and "ear muff" hearing protection when shooting this pistol. - True for all firearms for the most part... DeusImperator ( talk) 12:36, 3 September 2010 (UTC)
The .500 S&W Mag. is best treated as a semi-rimmed cartridge. Relative to the body diameter the rim extends only .015" over body diameter. The cartridge has a distinct usable extraction grove. If there is any disagreement this can be just changed back. DeusImperator ( talk) 20:37, 4 September 2010 (UTC)
SAAMI specification calls for a COL of 2.250. I have made that change to the InfoBox and to the diagram to conform to SAAMI established standard.
The section presents two opposing points of view in a seemingly balanced manner. Neither of the sides presented however is remotely neutral, and two wrongs do not make a right. — Robert Greer ( talk) 18:47, 6 March 2011 (UTC)
And...? Do you have anything constructive to say? 142.179.58.80 ( talk) 16:35, 3 April 2011 (UTC)
I removed this section, mainly because it was just a little soapbox that served no other purpose. It was also written with the assumption that the US is the only country in the English-speaking world. There will always be some group in some country that is trying to get something outlawed. This is rarely noteworthy unless such campaigns are actually successful. HereticBleach ( talk) 20:36, 3 May 2012 (UTC)
During several automated bot runs the following external link was found to be unavailable. Please check if the link is in fact down and fix or remove it in that case!
-- JeffGBot ( talk) 13:09, 31 May 2011 (UTC)
With what barrel length has this been measured? -- 92.107.111.78 ( talk) 17:50, 1 November 2011 (UTC)
Just want to see what others think and not be obnoxious with the improve tags. Stateofyolandia ( talk) 05:44, 18 May 2013 (UTC)
Compared to the next most powerful commercial sporting handgun cartridge, the .460 S&W Magnum, which can launch a 325 gr (21.1 g) at 1,650 ft/s (500 m/s) or a 395 gr (25.6 g) at 1,525 ft/s (465 m/s).
This isn't a complete sentence.