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I suggest we move the paragraph on the conduit engine to its own section. As a secondary suggestion, we remove it entirely until sourced.
As it appears now, it implicates uTorrent has "gone bad" like many bittorrent clients before it. As I understand it, this is simply not the case. For one thing, you CAN opt-out of the toolbar installation which means none of the "surreptious" spying stuff gets installed.
Remember the controversy regarding the Shareaza page. There some wiki guardian managed to postpone vital information regarding its takeover by the media industry (making it a dangerous piece of malware) for far too long.
I sincerely hope we won't get the reverse over here: that Wikipedia gives off misleading implications uTorrent isn't "clean" when in fact it remains so. CapnZapp ( talk) 09:23, 8 January 2011 (UTC)
I just removed it. According to the source you cite, "Despite several complaints the issues seem to be relatively isolated. We’ve tried to reproduce the “bug” on several systems but at our end everything went fine." A rare problem doesn't seem note-worthy. — Malik Shabazz Talk/ Stalk 05:30, 11 August 2011 (UTC)
Some past discussion on TorrentFreak can be found here. The jist from a quick read is that it can be used with care. Opinion pieces, for example, shouldn't be used. At least in my view. Dunno if that gives any perspective on this discussion. Яehevkor ✉ 09:40, 12 August 2011 (UTC)
Renamed Trivia to Easter Eggs. -- Lexein 23:12, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
Again, someone seems to have deleted the easter eggs section. I know this is WP:TRIVIA, but, as Lexein said, the easter eggs are quite notable when you look at the size of uTorrent.--REMEMBER C M O 02:41, 11 March 2011 (UTC)
Site's long gone with no explanation. Just completely gone. I came here trying to find info on it and there's nothing but out of date text. 166.205.139.201 ( talk) 04:00, 26 May 2011 (UTC)
uTorrent's malware can be avoided if the user does NOT launch the freshly downloaded uTorrent executable, but places it in any drive's Program Files\Utorrent folder. When placed in that folder, the software thinks of itself as being "installed" - and, therefore, doesn't try to inflict malware. I'm not adding this to official article due to the fact it's not "confirmed by relevant sources". However, privately, I can confirm (or anybody else can confirm for themselves) - Utorrent does NOT split itself into installer and software itself, an "installed" copy will act as installer if not in the designated folder. PortableApps Wrapper can fool uTorrent into thinking it is located in designated folder, and then do its typical task of swapping local folders into variables. Yura87 ( talk) 14:42, 27 June 2011 (UTC)
Yura87 ( talk) 22:06, 30 June 2011 (UTC) One of those is the unwanted Babylon software. The other one was already mentioned in this discussion. Anyway, the less risky way of installing uTorrent is to move it to any drive's Program Files.
Why does the URL for "µTorrent (or uTorrent; commonly abbreviated as "µT" or "uT")" read ../Mtorrent? Shouldn't it be ../Utorrent, since that's the most common alternative spelling? I've also never heard of it called (or seen it spelled) "Mtorrent" or "mTorrent". I just thought it looked weird is all. 24.85.78.2 ( talk) 19:29, 23 July 2011 (UTC)
The Languages section could use some cleanup. A list is better than a table. 81.232.38.154 ( talk) 21:35, 29 January 2012 (UTC)
BitTorrent, Inc. recently announced that future versions of the client would include targeted advertising. After TorrentFreak and other sites spread the news, there was a massive backlash and users (many registered specifically to complain) flooded the uTorrent forum with negative comments and either reverted to old versions or switched to other clients en masse (or at least they said they did or would do so). Naturally this resulted in hasty backtracking by the management, who have now said that users will be able to turn the in-app advertising off. They may even listen to user complaints and possibly begin selling another paid version with bloat such as apps removed (since apps haven't been a huge success).
My point is, don't any of these developments (even as a passing mention) qualify as being worthy of inclusion in the article here on Wikipedia? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 59.177.9.21 ( talk) 03:52, 22 August 2012 (UTC)
The press release [2] [3] [4] (or mention of it) should not be in this article for these two reasons:
I agreed with the removals of the item, based on copyvio and overquoting, but in the rush did not mention the above two reasons for exclusion. -- Lexein ( talk) 19:54, 18 September 2012 (UTC)
I gathered the three separate sections related to Revenue and subsectioned them, and moved the (now giant) release tables to the end of the article. This is an accessibility and readability issue, to keep the prose together. Discuss? -- Lexein ( talk) 20:31, 18 September 2012 (UTC)
PC Magazine gave the program a positive review saying that it "packs an outstanding array of features".[44] and was also listed in their Best free 157 software tools
how a PC magazine talk about Piracy App — Preceding unsigned comment added by 178.132.33.36 ( talk) 09:16, 25 October 2012 (UTC)
Apparently since 3.13 uTorrent's installer has bundled the download and installation of WPRO. It's a revenue tool, not a virus or worm. It is, however, unwanted, as evidenced by messages in support forums, and the recent addition to the article without source. No WP:RS yet, but now it's on our radar to be on the lookout. -- Lexein ( talk) 15:30, 7 April 2013 (UTC)
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Two strikes for sourcing to a non-notable person complaining on a forum (where user error is sole reason for the problems encountered), strike three for extremely POV writing. Unwanted software installation, specifically toolbars, is an increasingly common problem teed up by many software providers, not just uTorrent. Users are the problem, skipping through installation dialog boxes and not reading them. Worst, for us at WP, is that none of these problems have been discussed in independent RS. With RS news coverage, we can include these issues. -- Lexein ( talk) 12:21, 4 January 2014 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: Speedily moved back, closing. No such user ( talk) 07:23, 20 June 2014 (UTC)
UTorrent → ΜTorrent – Unexplained move, cannot undo as the old title seems to be blacklisted, old title was correct as "Μ" is upper-case "µ" ( Mu), subject's name is "µTorrent" – Яehevkor ✉ 20:27, 18 June 2014 (UTC)
WP:NPOV states that articles must acknowledge all significant, reliably sourced viewpoints. Unfortunately, this article does not, as it does not (i.e. in the Reception section) address the increasing level of bulk and advertising content in this software (including the most recent scandal including its automated installation of the potentially unwanted program EpicScale). ViperSnake151 Talk 16:48, 6 March 2015 (UTC)
Hello, I have not included a title in my ref "torrentfreakriskware" for BLP reasons. 185.21.216.166 ( talk) 21:45, 6 March 2015 (UTC)
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Out of general discontent with bloatware, Serge Paquet suggested to Ludvig Strigeus that he should make a smaller and more efficient BitTorrent client.
Who exactly is this Serge Paquet, why is the name important and what's the source of this info? This info seems a bit lost and adding nothing of value. I would remove it, if there's no reason to keep it there. -- 2A02:2028:51F:2301:80BD:7074:889C:3621 ( talk) 22:05, 3 September 2016 (UTC)
According to one of the sources in the article [7], it was not merely the rights to the program µTorrent which were bought, but altogether the company behind it, uTorrent AB. This is a bit confusing, but in order to correct this, there should be info about when (and how?) uTorrent AB was founded. The Wikipedia page of Daniel Ek says that he briefly was the CEO of the company. This info is missing here, too. -- 2A02:2028:81A:1C01:80BD:7074:889C:3621 ( talk) 03:25, 4 September 2016 (UTC)
As main picture. -- TVippy 01:45, 25 October 2017 (UTC)
I just discovered that μTorrent now comes with its own cryptocurrency "BTT".
They call the new feature "Bittorrent Speed". (Official FAQ.) You earn BTT tokens when you upload, and you pay tokens when you download. That is, if you have tokens your client pays for "faster" download from other μTorrent clients. You can also buy BTT tokens on cryptocurrency exchanges (using other cryptocurrencies or real money). And you are supposed to also be able to sell BTT tokens, although from what I read in the BitTorrent forums selling doesn't really work yet.
The cryptocurrency feature is on by default in the current versions (μTorrent 3.5.5) but can be disabled in the settings (at least according to the FAQ). At the time I write this the cryptocurrency stuff has not yet been added to the mainline BitTorrent client.
This new feature causes several new problems:
1: In some countries using cryptocurrencies is illegal, which now makes μTorrent illegal in those countries.
2: In many countries (like my country Sweden) you have to list cryptocurrency earnings in your tax returns and report your balance if you get welfare money, unemployment benefits or sick leave money. So if you fail to report your Bittorrent seeding earnings you might be doing tax crime or welfare fraud.
I don't have good references for most of this, so I did not add it to the article.
-- David Göthberg ( talk) 22:46, 23 October 2021 (UTC)
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I suggest we move the paragraph on the conduit engine to its own section. As a secondary suggestion, we remove it entirely until sourced.
As it appears now, it implicates uTorrent has "gone bad" like many bittorrent clients before it. As I understand it, this is simply not the case. For one thing, you CAN opt-out of the toolbar installation which means none of the "surreptious" spying stuff gets installed.
Remember the controversy regarding the Shareaza page. There some wiki guardian managed to postpone vital information regarding its takeover by the media industry (making it a dangerous piece of malware) for far too long.
I sincerely hope we won't get the reverse over here: that Wikipedia gives off misleading implications uTorrent isn't "clean" when in fact it remains so. CapnZapp ( talk) 09:23, 8 January 2011 (UTC)
I just removed it. According to the source you cite, "Despite several complaints the issues seem to be relatively isolated. We’ve tried to reproduce the “bug” on several systems but at our end everything went fine." A rare problem doesn't seem note-worthy. — Malik Shabazz Talk/ Stalk 05:30, 11 August 2011 (UTC)
Some past discussion on TorrentFreak can be found here. The jist from a quick read is that it can be used with care. Opinion pieces, for example, shouldn't be used. At least in my view. Dunno if that gives any perspective on this discussion. Яehevkor ✉ 09:40, 12 August 2011 (UTC)
Renamed Trivia to Easter Eggs. -- Lexein 23:12, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
Again, someone seems to have deleted the easter eggs section. I know this is WP:TRIVIA, but, as Lexein said, the easter eggs are quite notable when you look at the size of uTorrent.--REMEMBER C M O 02:41, 11 March 2011 (UTC)
Site's long gone with no explanation. Just completely gone. I came here trying to find info on it and there's nothing but out of date text. 166.205.139.201 ( talk) 04:00, 26 May 2011 (UTC)
uTorrent's malware can be avoided if the user does NOT launch the freshly downloaded uTorrent executable, but places it in any drive's Program Files\Utorrent folder. When placed in that folder, the software thinks of itself as being "installed" - and, therefore, doesn't try to inflict malware. I'm not adding this to official article due to the fact it's not "confirmed by relevant sources". However, privately, I can confirm (or anybody else can confirm for themselves) - Utorrent does NOT split itself into installer and software itself, an "installed" copy will act as installer if not in the designated folder. PortableApps Wrapper can fool uTorrent into thinking it is located in designated folder, and then do its typical task of swapping local folders into variables. Yura87 ( talk) 14:42, 27 June 2011 (UTC)
Yura87 ( talk) 22:06, 30 June 2011 (UTC) One of those is the unwanted Babylon software. The other one was already mentioned in this discussion. Anyway, the less risky way of installing uTorrent is to move it to any drive's Program Files.
Why does the URL for "µTorrent (or uTorrent; commonly abbreviated as "µT" or "uT")" read ../Mtorrent? Shouldn't it be ../Utorrent, since that's the most common alternative spelling? I've also never heard of it called (or seen it spelled) "Mtorrent" or "mTorrent". I just thought it looked weird is all. 24.85.78.2 ( talk) 19:29, 23 July 2011 (UTC)
The Languages section could use some cleanup. A list is better than a table. 81.232.38.154 ( talk) 21:35, 29 January 2012 (UTC)
BitTorrent, Inc. recently announced that future versions of the client would include targeted advertising. After TorrentFreak and other sites spread the news, there was a massive backlash and users (many registered specifically to complain) flooded the uTorrent forum with negative comments and either reverted to old versions or switched to other clients en masse (or at least they said they did or would do so). Naturally this resulted in hasty backtracking by the management, who have now said that users will be able to turn the in-app advertising off. They may even listen to user complaints and possibly begin selling another paid version with bloat such as apps removed (since apps haven't been a huge success).
My point is, don't any of these developments (even as a passing mention) qualify as being worthy of inclusion in the article here on Wikipedia? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 59.177.9.21 ( talk) 03:52, 22 August 2012 (UTC)
The press release [2] [3] [4] (or mention of it) should not be in this article for these two reasons:
I agreed with the removals of the item, based on copyvio and overquoting, but in the rush did not mention the above two reasons for exclusion. -- Lexein ( talk) 19:54, 18 September 2012 (UTC)
I gathered the three separate sections related to Revenue and subsectioned them, and moved the (now giant) release tables to the end of the article. This is an accessibility and readability issue, to keep the prose together. Discuss? -- Lexein ( talk) 20:31, 18 September 2012 (UTC)
PC Magazine gave the program a positive review saying that it "packs an outstanding array of features".[44] and was also listed in their Best free 157 software tools
how a PC magazine talk about Piracy App — Preceding unsigned comment added by 178.132.33.36 ( talk) 09:16, 25 October 2012 (UTC)
Apparently since 3.13 uTorrent's installer has bundled the download and installation of WPRO. It's a revenue tool, not a virus or worm. It is, however, unwanted, as evidenced by messages in support forums, and the recent addition to the article without source. No WP:RS yet, but now it's on our radar to be on the lookout. -- Lexein ( talk) 15:30, 7 April 2013 (UTC)
The following was added [5] and reverted:
{{
cite web}}
: Check date values in: |accessdate=
(
help)
{{
cite web}}
: Check date values in: |accessdate=
(
help)
Two strikes for sourcing to a non-notable person complaining on a forum (where user error is sole reason for the problems encountered), strike three for extremely POV writing. Unwanted software installation, specifically toolbars, is an increasingly common problem teed up by many software providers, not just uTorrent. Users are the problem, skipping through installation dialog boxes and not reading them. Worst, for us at WP, is that none of these problems have been discussed in independent RS. With RS news coverage, we can include these issues. -- Lexein ( talk) 12:21, 4 January 2014 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: Speedily moved back, closing. No such user ( talk) 07:23, 20 June 2014 (UTC)
UTorrent → ΜTorrent – Unexplained move, cannot undo as the old title seems to be blacklisted, old title was correct as "Μ" is upper-case "µ" ( Mu), subject's name is "µTorrent" – Яehevkor ✉ 20:27, 18 June 2014 (UTC)
WP:NPOV states that articles must acknowledge all significant, reliably sourced viewpoints. Unfortunately, this article does not, as it does not (i.e. in the Reception section) address the increasing level of bulk and advertising content in this software (including the most recent scandal including its automated installation of the potentially unwanted program EpicScale). ViperSnake151 Talk 16:48, 6 March 2015 (UTC)
Hello, I have not included a title in my ref "torrentfreakriskware" for BLP reasons. 185.21.216.166 ( talk) 21:45, 6 March 2015 (UTC)
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Out of general discontent with bloatware, Serge Paquet suggested to Ludvig Strigeus that he should make a smaller and more efficient BitTorrent client.
Who exactly is this Serge Paquet, why is the name important and what's the source of this info? This info seems a bit lost and adding nothing of value. I would remove it, if there's no reason to keep it there. -- 2A02:2028:51F:2301:80BD:7074:889C:3621 ( talk) 22:05, 3 September 2016 (UTC)
According to one of the sources in the article [7], it was not merely the rights to the program µTorrent which were bought, but altogether the company behind it, uTorrent AB. This is a bit confusing, but in order to correct this, there should be info about when (and how?) uTorrent AB was founded. The Wikipedia page of Daniel Ek says that he briefly was the CEO of the company. This info is missing here, too. -- 2A02:2028:81A:1C01:80BD:7074:889C:3621 ( talk) 03:25, 4 September 2016 (UTC)
As main picture. -- TVippy 01:45, 25 October 2017 (UTC)
I just discovered that μTorrent now comes with its own cryptocurrency "BTT".
They call the new feature "Bittorrent Speed". (Official FAQ.) You earn BTT tokens when you upload, and you pay tokens when you download. That is, if you have tokens your client pays for "faster" download from other μTorrent clients. You can also buy BTT tokens on cryptocurrency exchanges (using other cryptocurrencies or real money). And you are supposed to also be able to sell BTT tokens, although from what I read in the BitTorrent forums selling doesn't really work yet.
The cryptocurrency feature is on by default in the current versions (μTorrent 3.5.5) but can be disabled in the settings (at least according to the FAQ). At the time I write this the cryptocurrency stuff has not yet been added to the mainline BitTorrent client.
This new feature causes several new problems:
1: In some countries using cryptocurrencies is illegal, which now makes μTorrent illegal in those countries.
2: In many countries (like my country Sweden) you have to list cryptocurrency earnings in your tax returns and report your balance if you get welfare money, unemployment benefits or sick leave money. So if you fail to report your Bittorrent seeding earnings you might be doing tax crime or welfare fraud.
I don't have good references for most of this, so I did not add it to the article.
-- David Göthberg ( talk) 22:46, 23 October 2021 (UTC)