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If you feel the sudden urge to advertise Armenian heroism at least do it in a sub section of the article, not in the bloody intro. And keep it NPOV and less dramatic if you can so it doesn't induce vomit.-- Doktor Gonzo 16:36, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
See, this "happy?" comment is not nice and I don't think Wikipedia ever prevents you from creating sub sections. Anyway, looks a little more tidy now. And no I don't know crap about Şebinkarahisar.-- Doktor Gonzo 16:54, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
I took the time to write the History section of the article [1]. I mentioned the Armenian thing too and gave inter-link but it is not enough apperantly. An Armenian Genocide sub-section is being created again [2].
This is what I wrote to Fedayee:
"It is a part of the history of the city so I mentioned it and gave a direct inter-link to the article. Are you demanding an Armenian Genocide sub-section in every Eastern Turkish city article?"
I will not get into any edit wars. I invite everyone to be reasonable.-- Doktor Gonzo 14:54, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
this here
"The city was the location of the Shabin-Karahisar Resistance where Hunchakian party allied Armenians held their grounds for up to a month against the Ottoman forces during the Armenian Genocide.[2][3][4] After a month of fighting, the Ottoman army defeated the resistance and massacred the remaining survivors.[5][6]"
First off, AG is not a time period, so you can not say "during AG". why dont we just say everything that happened between 1915-1917 happened during AG and get it over with. YAY! This is not the same this as ghetto riots, or fighting for freedom. These people admittetly (even here are were members of a party and an militia that wanted to establish an Armenian nation from Ottoman lands. There was just cause to fight them and kill them on the part of the Ottomans. In no way does that constitue a massacre or genocide.
I changed it to this.
"The city was the location of the Shabin-Karahisar Resistance where Hunchakian party allied Armenians held rebelled against the Ottoman Empire in hopesof establishing an Armenian naltion from Ottoman lands [2][3][4]. After a month of fighting, the Ottoman army defeated the resistance and killed the rebels[5][6]"
If you evidence to show there some AG plot connection, please show it before you make a revert. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Oguz1 ( talk • contribs) 16:19, 3 April 2007 (UTC).
I think Ara Güler is from Şebinkarahisar. Zirowerdy 23:00, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
{{ Editprotected}} here is a fairly large expansion to the whole article including; coordinates in the infobox; new sections on etymology, geography and places of interest; slight additions to the ancient history and a sub-heading for the controversial paragraph on the Armenians (but no change to that paragraph); more links to sites containing photographs and more famous people. Istanbuljohnm 07:15, 2 May 2007 (UTC)
OK done, thanks Istanbuljohnm 21:55, 2 May 2007 (UTC)
The website cited for the Ottoman conquest of Şebinkarahisar in 1478 is wrong [3]. The origin of the error is perhaps Hasan Tahsin Okutan, Şebinkarahisar ve civarı (Şebinkarahisar, 1948). Bryer and Winfield's Byzantine Monuments and Topography of the Pontos repeats the error (vol. 1, p. 148), citing Okutan. It seems that Şebinkarahisar fell to the Ottomans in 1473 following Fatih Mehmet's defeat of Uzun Hasan at the battles of Tercan/Derxene and Otluk Beli (as yet without a Wikipedia articles and those tedious infoboxes). Mordtmann's article in the Encyclopaedia of Islam and Franz Babinger's Mehmed the Conquerer and His Time support 1473 as the year the Ottomans took over. Aramgar ( talk) 06:41, 14 December 2008 (UTC)
I have removed the following sentence. Although its meaning is not clear to me there seems to be some interesting information embedded in the non-standard English. Please fix it, cite it, an put it back, if you can. Aramgar ( talk) 20:22, 19 May 2009 (UTC)
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If you feel the sudden urge to advertise Armenian heroism at least do it in a sub section of the article, not in the bloody intro. And keep it NPOV and less dramatic if you can so it doesn't induce vomit.-- Doktor Gonzo 16:36, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
See, this "happy?" comment is not nice and I don't think Wikipedia ever prevents you from creating sub sections. Anyway, looks a little more tidy now. And no I don't know crap about Şebinkarahisar.-- Doktor Gonzo 16:54, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
I took the time to write the History section of the article [1]. I mentioned the Armenian thing too and gave inter-link but it is not enough apperantly. An Armenian Genocide sub-section is being created again [2].
This is what I wrote to Fedayee:
"It is a part of the history of the city so I mentioned it and gave a direct inter-link to the article. Are you demanding an Armenian Genocide sub-section in every Eastern Turkish city article?"
I will not get into any edit wars. I invite everyone to be reasonable.-- Doktor Gonzo 14:54, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
this here
"The city was the location of the Shabin-Karahisar Resistance where Hunchakian party allied Armenians held their grounds for up to a month against the Ottoman forces during the Armenian Genocide.[2][3][4] After a month of fighting, the Ottoman army defeated the resistance and massacred the remaining survivors.[5][6]"
First off, AG is not a time period, so you can not say "during AG". why dont we just say everything that happened between 1915-1917 happened during AG and get it over with. YAY! This is not the same this as ghetto riots, or fighting for freedom. These people admittetly (even here are were members of a party and an militia that wanted to establish an Armenian nation from Ottoman lands. There was just cause to fight them and kill them on the part of the Ottomans. In no way does that constitue a massacre or genocide.
I changed it to this.
"The city was the location of the Shabin-Karahisar Resistance where Hunchakian party allied Armenians held rebelled against the Ottoman Empire in hopesof establishing an Armenian naltion from Ottoman lands [2][3][4]. After a month of fighting, the Ottoman army defeated the resistance and killed the rebels[5][6]"
If you evidence to show there some AG plot connection, please show it before you make a revert. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Oguz1 ( talk • contribs) 16:19, 3 April 2007 (UTC).
I think Ara Güler is from Şebinkarahisar. Zirowerdy 23:00, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
{{ Editprotected}} here is a fairly large expansion to the whole article including; coordinates in the infobox; new sections on etymology, geography and places of interest; slight additions to the ancient history and a sub-heading for the controversial paragraph on the Armenians (but no change to that paragraph); more links to sites containing photographs and more famous people. Istanbuljohnm 07:15, 2 May 2007 (UTC)
OK done, thanks Istanbuljohnm 21:55, 2 May 2007 (UTC)
The website cited for the Ottoman conquest of Şebinkarahisar in 1478 is wrong [3]. The origin of the error is perhaps Hasan Tahsin Okutan, Şebinkarahisar ve civarı (Şebinkarahisar, 1948). Bryer and Winfield's Byzantine Monuments and Topography of the Pontos repeats the error (vol. 1, p. 148), citing Okutan. It seems that Şebinkarahisar fell to the Ottomans in 1473 following Fatih Mehmet's defeat of Uzun Hasan at the battles of Tercan/Derxene and Otluk Beli (as yet without a Wikipedia articles and those tedious infoboxes). Mordtmann's article in the Encyclopaedia of Islam and Franz Babinger's Mehmed the Conquerer and His Time support 1473 as the year the Ottomans took over. Aramgar ( talk) 06:41, 14 December 2008 (UTC)
I have removed the following sentence. Although its meaning is not clear to me there seems to be some interesting information embedded in the non-standard English. Please fix it, cite it, an put it back, if you can. Aramgar ( talk) 20:22, 19 May 2009 (UTC)
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