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How's that for a subject line. Anyway, I read somewhere once that although it was thought that Oetzi had no penis, he did in fact have one, but it had suffered an understandable amount of shrinkage. Seriously. If anyone actually knows something about this, then could they change that sentence? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.204.59.207 ( talk) 19:28, 13 October 2007 (UTC)
the story about his discovery by Rastbichler-Zissernig can has been online 2001.[5]
I'm not sure what this is referring to. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Wraithcraze ( talk • contribs) 12:13, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
I have removed the following text from this section:
Consider the evidence. The man was wearing a uniform, (his bearskin hat), and he was armed to the teeth with antipersonnel weapons. His copper axe was only good for cutting trees. Pure copper is too soft to hold a sharp edge. His flint dagger is only good for protectting him from other creatures that could hurt him. His bow and arrows, while good for hunting are excellent for killing people. Witness his wound and its inevitable results.
This is entirely speculation, as far as I can tell:
, indicating he did not make his own clothing (uniform?)
Or that he repaired it in haste after a fight? Again, purest speculation. Furthermore, even if he did not make the clothing himself, that does not support further speculation.
The only ancient criminal here was him, although it might not be correct to place 20th century morality onto a stone age human.
This is unencyclopedic in tone and is not supported. There are any number of reasons why he might have been attacked that do not require him to be a "criminal."
* Septegram* Talk* Contributions* 15:06, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
They're wrong, if the bow was unfinished he wouldn't have been able to shoot two people with the same arrow. [citation needed] —Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.106.36.248 ( talk) 05:47, 16 March 2008 (UTC)
Even though Ötzi is short by today's standards, the estimate that he weighed just six stone at the time of death struck me as very low, so I worked out his BMI and it comes out at just under 14, which is below the starvation threshold. I won't edit the article because I don't have time to go looking through the sources to see if anything is said about him being extremely underweight, but there is a short 'health' section that doesn't mention this, and I think it should. Given that we have height and mass figures in the article, it's not original research to make the trivial connection that reveals Ötzi to have been exceptionally thin, and I think given the other theorising that's done about his life and death, this fact demands explanation. It seems he had an active life in the mountains, and just before his death had eaten what seem to be a couple of decent meals. How is this reconciled with his strikingly undernourished state? 79.68.202.189 ( talk) 11:49, 21 December 2007 (UTC)
I visited the Iceman exhibition at the ANMM over the weekend, and the display indicated that Otzi weighed about 50kg whilst alive, while the mummy now weighs 13kg. I'll see if I can find a source for this and possibly edit based on this Bruiseviolet ( talk) 22:19, 7 January 2008 (UTC)
Who knows if that was his actual weight? the methods used to find his weight at time of death might have been erronous; scientists screw up all the time. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.130.62.234 ( talk) 15:27, 21 February 2008 (UTC)
The details of the bickering between the discoverers over money etc. does not belong at the beginning of the article. It is totally irrelevant to the significance of the mummy, which is the primary topic of interest to most readers. That whole section needs to be stuck somewhere at the end of the article, in keeping with its importance, or lack of it. Haiduc ( talk) 02:08, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
The article refers to otzi's bow as being unfinished, but this is probably not the case. This was assumed because the bow was determined to have drawn about 166# at 28 inches. however, it is unlikely that a man from this time period would wander this far away from home without being fully equipped; aside from the bow he also had an axe, 14 arrows, a knife, medicinal mushrooms and a firestarting kit. he was equipped for a journey, so it wouldn't make sense for him to have had an unfinished bow. also, one arrow had blood from 2 different people on it, indicating that he had obviously fired the arrow as it is unlikely that he had used it as a melee weapon when he also had a knife and an axe on him. The bow had no nocks, but bows from this time period often didn't have nocks, but instead had the string tied tightly to the sharply tapered ends, sometmimes aided by a buildup of sinew under it. 166 pounds is alot, but only compared to modern bows. modern bow hunters use 50-60# bows, which is extremely weak in comparison to the majority of ancient bows, among which a bow under 80# is rarely found. humans back in this age were a little shorter than modern humans, but were much stronger due to a superior lifestyle and diet. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.130.62.234 ( talk) 15:56, 21 February 2008 (UTC)
They say it's unfinished because it lacks a grip and they don't know how he attached the string, pretty weak argument if you ask me. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.106.36.248 ( talk) 05:53, 16 March 2008 (UTC)
I was reading the straight dope, and found this article about an April fool's joke that had Otzi as the first recorded receiver of anal sex. It apparently ended up in a few newspapers. Not sure if it's worth a mention or not, so I post it here for whoever looks after this article to include or reject. -- Numsgil ( talk) 08:46, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
Isn't it a little tenuous to list Oetzi as a "victim of a crime" when no appreciable criminal code existed? Perhaps "violent death" or "victim of assault" would fit better. DublinDilettante ( talk) 17:34, 17 September 2008 (UTC)
The arrows he had were not bone tipped. 12 were unfinished the two that were finished were broken. Could some one fix this? J8079s ( talk) 00:52, 22 September 2008 (UTC)
Brenda Fowler ;"Iceman uncovering the life and times of a prehistoric man found in an alpine glacier" The University of Chicago Press,Chicago originally published 2000 The University of Chicago press edition 2001 ISBN 0-226-25823-8 pg. 105,106 (in my own words) he had:
I hope this is clear.thanks for the help J8079s ( talk) 01:51, 23 September 2008 (UTC)
His "vest" is called a coat in all sources even though it has no sleeves (it has no arm holes either) I hope we can expand this article. theres more to say about otzi. J8079s ( talk) 03:12, 25 September 2008 (UTC)
It would appear that the legal dispute has now been settled http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/7643286.stm Although a little late.
Perhaps someone can update the main page.
Cadstar_User ( talk) 08:09, 30 September 2008 (UTC)
I need help with my source. Its an article from the May 2003 issue of Scientific American,called The Iceman Reconsidered. Written by James H. Dickson,Klaus Oeggl,and Linda L Handley. I don't have the rest of the publishing info. (doi ect.). I got it by googling beau lines and otzi. I want to add under "health"that he hand three beau lines on his finger nail,indicating that he had been sick three times in the six months before he died. The last and most serious about two months before he died.The illness lasted about two week that time. I also want to use this source for its theory that the body may have floated (during a thaw) to its find location. Does anyone have the info we need on this source? Thanks J8079s ( talk) 18:35, 2 October 2008 (UTC)
This is confusing. Unless it's just the angle of the picture, the picture in the section about his clothes and equipment show his right arm across his chest while all the others show his left arm. -- CommanderWiki35 ( talk) 02:14, 10 November 2008 (UTC)
Our intermediate school has sixth graders ans their teachers working on an Otzi project. The project has been hung up in the hallway for everyone to see. It easily caught my intrest and soon Otzi will be the headline news of our school! I can't wait to learn more about Otzi! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.179.48.53 ( talk) 01:28, 13 November 2008 (UTC)
Feldthurns is possible as Vienna, Milan, Venice or Berna. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.54.144.101 ( talk • contribs) 14:46, 29 January 2009 (UTC)
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How's that for a subject line. Anyway, I read somewhere once that although it was thought that Oetzi had no penis, he did in fact have one, but it had suffered an understandable amount of shrinkage. Seriously. If anyone actually knows something about this, then could they change that sentence? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.204.59.207 ( talk) 19:28, 13 October 2007 (UTC)
the story about his discovery by Rastbichler-Zissernig can has been online 2001.[5]
I'm not sure what this is referring to. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Wraithcraze ( talk • contribs) 12:13, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
I have removed the following text from this section:
Consider the evidence. The man was wearing a uniform, (his bearskin hat), and he was armed to the teeth with antipersonnel weapons. His copper axe was only good for cutting trees. Pure copper is too soft to hold a sharp edge. His flint dagger is only good for protectting him from other creatures that could hurt him. His bow and arrows, while good for hunting are excellent for killing people. Witness his wound and its inevitable results.
This is entirely speculation, as far as I can tell:
, indicating he did not make his own clothing (uniform?)
Or that he repaired it in haste after a fight? Again, purest speculation. Furthermore, even if he did not make the clothing himself, that does not support further speculation.
The only ancient criminal here was him, although it might not be correct to place 20th century morality onto a stone age human.
This is unencyclopedic in tone and is not supported. There are any number of reasons why he might have been attacked that do not require him to be a "criminal."
* Septegram* Talk* Contributions* 15:06, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
They're wrong, if the bow was unfinished he wouldn't have been able to shoot two people with the same arrow. [citation needed] —Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.106.36.248 ( talk) 05:47, 16 March 2008 (UTC)
Even though Ötzi is short by today's standards, the estimate that he weighed just six stone at the time of death struck me as very low, so I worked out his BMI and it comes out at just under 14, which is below the starvation threshold. I won't edit the article because I don't have time to go looking through the sources to see if anything is said about him being extremely underweight, but there is a short 'health' section that doesn't mention this, and I think it should. Given that we have height and mass figures in the article, it's not original research to make the trivial connection that reveals Ötzi to have been exceptionally thin, and I think given the other theorising that's done about his life and death, this fact demands explanation. It seems he had an active life in the mountains, and just before his death had eaten what seem to be a couple of decent meals. How is this reconciled with his strikingly undernourished state? 79.68.202.189 ( talk) 11:49, 21 December 2007 (UTC)
I visited the Iceman exhibition at the ANMM over the weekend, and the display indicated that Otzi weighed about 50kg whilst alive, while the mummy now weighs 13kg. I'll see if I can find a source for this and possibly edit based on this Bruiseviolet ( talk) 22:19, 7 January 2008 (UTC)
Who knows if that was his actual weight? the methods used to find his weight at time of death might have been erronous; scientists screw up all the time. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.130.62.234 ( talk) 15:27, 21 February 2008 (UTC)
The details of the bickering between the discoverers over money etc. does not belong at the beginning of the article. It is totally irrelevant to the significance of the mummy, which is the primary topic of interest to most readers. That whole section needs to be stuck somewhere at the end of the article, in keeping with its importance, or lack of it. Haiduc ( talk) 02:08, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
The article refers to otzi's bow as being unfinished, but this is probably not the case. This was assumed because the bow was determined to have drawn about 166# at 28 inches. however, it is unlikely that a man from this time period would wander this far away from home without being fully equipped; aside from the bow he also had an axe, 14 arrows, a knife, medicinal mushrooms and a firestarting kit. he was equipped for a journey, so it wouldn't make sense for him to have had an unfinished bow. also, one arrow had blood from 2 different people on it, indicating that he had obviously fired the arrow as it is unlikely that he had used it as a melee weapon when he also had a knife and an axe on him. The bow had no nocks, but bows from this time period often didn't have nocks, but instead had the string tied tightly to the sharply tapered ends, sometmimes aided by a buildup of sinew under it. 166 pounds is alot, but only compared to modern bows. modern bow hunters use 50-60# bows, which is extremely weak in comparison to the majority of ancient bows, among which a bow under 80# is rarely found. humans back in this age were a little shorter than modern humans, but were much stronger due to a superior lifestyle and diet. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.130.62.234 ( talk) 15:56, 21 February 2008 (UTC)
They say it's unfinished because it lacks a grip and they don't know how he attached the string, pretty weak argument if you ask me. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.106.36.248 ( talk) 05:53, 16 March 2008 (UTC)
I was reading the straight dope, and found this article about an April fool's joke that had Otzi as the first recorded receiver of anal sex. It apparently ended up in a few newspapers. Not sure if it's worth a mention or not, so I post it here for whoever looks after this article to include or reject. -- Numsgil ( talk) 08:46, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
Isn't it a little tenuous to list Oetzi as a "victim of a crime" when no appreciable criminal code existed? Perhaps "violent death" or "victim of assault" would fit better. DublinDilettante ( talk) 17:34, 17 September 2008 (UTC)
The arrows he had were not bone tipped. 12 were unfinished the two that were finished were broken. Could some one fix this? J8079s ( talk) 00:52, 22 September 2008 (UTC)
Brenda Fowler ;"Iceman uncovering the life and times of a prehistoric man found in an alpine glacier" The University of Chicago Press,Chicago originally published 2000 The University of Chicago press edition 2001 ISBN 0-226-25823-8 pg. 105,106 (in my own words) he had:
I hope this is clear.thanks for the help J8079s ( talk) 01:51, 23 September 2008 (UTC)
His "vest" is called a coat in all sources even though it has no sleeves (it has no arm holes either) I hope we can expand this article. theres more to say about otzi. J8079s ( talk) 03:12, 25 September 2008 (UTC)
It would appear that the legal dispute has now been settled http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/7643286.stm Although a little late.
Perhaps someone can update the main page.
Cadstar_User ( talk) 08:09, 30 September 2008 (UTC)
I need help with my source. Its an article from the May 2003 issue of Scientific American,called The Iceman Reconsidered. Written by James H. Dickson,Klaus Oeggl,and Linda L Handley. I don't have the rest of the publishing info. (doi ect.). I got it by googling beau lines and otzi. I want to add under "health"that he hand three beau lines on his finger nail,indicating that he had been sick three times in the six months before he died. The last and most serious about two months before he died.The illness lasted about two week that time. I also want to use this source for its theory that the body may have floated (during a thaw) to its find location. Does anyone have the info we need on this source? Thanks J8079s ( talk) 18:35, 2 October 2008 (UTC)
This is confusing. Unless it's just the angle of the picture, the picture in the section about his clothes and equipment show his right arm across his chest while all the others show his left arm. -- CommanderWiki35 ( talk) 02:14, 10 November 2008 (UTC)
Our intermediate school has sixth graders ans their teachers working on an Otzi project. The project has been hung up in the hallway for everyone to see. It easily caught my intrest and soon Otzi will be the headline news of our school! I can't wait to learn more about Otzi! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.179.48.53 ( talk) 01:28, 13 November 2008 (UTC)
Feldthurns is possible as Vienna, Milan, Venice or Berna. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.54.144.101 ( talk • contribs) 14:46, 29 January 2009 (UTC)