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Why is "Public universities and higher education institutes" presented as the proper translation of "Établissement public à caractère scientifique, culturel et professionnel"?
Why the box to the right entitled "French Science"? Where do EPCSPs fit in this box?
Under the heading "Different types of EPCSP" there are two subheadings: "Universities" and "Autonoumous higher education institutes". So what is the status of the other headings: "Écoles Normales Supérieures", "French institutes abroad", and "Grands établissements"? Are these EPCSPs as well?
Why "The 80 universities and institutes of technology"? There are 81 public universities and three institutes of technology.
How do we justify the statement "EPCSP have full scientific autonomy to organise their research area, their curricula and degrees, up to and including doctoral degrees."? Universities typcially are severely handicapped in their ability to organize their scientific research, and depend upon outside institutions such as the CNRS. Universities also often do not have their own doctoral schools, but participate in doctoral schools that are run jointly with other institutions such as grandes écoles. This does not qualify as autonomy.
How can we justify saying that these institutions all "have the broadest legal, administrative and financial autonomy in the French education system"? Many universities don't even own their own buildings! There are many institutions of higher education and research in France that have much greater autonomy than the public universities.
I also support the questions from User:MyPOV. I support the view that the definition and stated properties of an EPCSP are dubious and need amendments in the text.
Note that I have corrected immediately the 80 into 81 and have added EPCSP in the box "French Science".
This reorganization by
Cabotin already makes things much clearer. A number of the questions I raised above persist, and perhaps someone can address them. I would add the following:
Isn't the notion of EPSCP broader than just scientific or educational? That is, scientifique is just one of the three categories in the title. So how are we justified in saying that all of these institutions as somehow related to "French Science" (as indicated by the box on the right)? According to the
Grands établissements article, for instance, the
Comédie-Française is a grand établissement. We would be equally justified in placing a "French Arts" box on this page.
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Why is "Public universities and higher education institutes" presented as the proper translation of "Établissement public à caractère scientifique, culturel et professionnel"?
Why the box to the right entitled "French Science"? Where do EPCSPs fit in this box?
Under the heading "Different types of EPCSP" there are two subheadings: "Universities" and "Autonoumous higher education institutes". So what is the status of the other headings: "Écoles Normales Supérieures", "French institutes abroad", and "Grands établissements"? Are these EPCSPs as well?
Why "The 80 universities and institutes of technology"? There are 81 public universities and three institutes of technology.
How do we justify the statement "EPCSP have full scientific autonomy to organise their research area, their curricula and degrees, up to and including doctoral degrees."? Universities typcially are severely handicapped in their ability to organize their scientific research, and depend upon outside institutions such as the CNRS. Universities also often do not have their own doctoral schools, but participate in doctoral schools that are run jointly with other institutions such as grandes écoles. This does not qualify as autonomy.
How can we justify saying that these institutions all "have the broadest legal, administrative and financial autonomy in the French education system"? Many universities don't even own their own buildings! There are many institutions of higher education and research in France that have much greater autonomy than the public universities.
I also support the questions from User:MyPOV. I support the view that the definition and stated properties of an EPCSP are dubious and need amendments in the text.
Note that I have corrected immediately the 80 into 81 and have added EPCSP in the box "French Science".
This reorganization by
Cabotin already makes things much clearer. A number of the questions I raised above persist, and perhaps someone can address them. I would add the following:
Isn't the notion of EPSCP broader than just scientific or educational? That is, scientifique is just one of the three categories in the title. So how are we justified in saying that all of these institutions as somehow related to "French Science" (as indicated by the box on the right)? According to the
Grands établissements article, for instance, the
Comédie-Française is a grand établissement. We would be equally justified in placing a "French Arts" box on this page.