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I aint a supporter of Lahoud and i aint even lebanese and i know for a fact that this page is completely biased. As much as i dislike foreign influences i still think we should kepp this unbiased. Comon people...fix this shit up!
i think this page is biased. can any proof of syrian pressure be given? la gaie 18:08, 20 Oct 2004 (UTC)
“Whereas many Lebanese officers abandoned their personal lives during the war of liberation in the service of their country, Lahoud abandoned his professional responsibilities and spent his time philandering, playing poker, and swimming.” Even if true (I have no idea whether it is or not), this needs to be reworded. -- Sesel 02:55, 12 Feb 2005 (UTC)
Lahoud served under General Michel Aoun during the final years of the Lebanese Civil War (1975-90). Most military officers under Aoun's command were fiercely loyal to their leader during the bloody fighting that continued intermittently for the next six months. Lahoud, however, earned a reputation for cowardice and dereliction of duty that alienated his fellow officers. According to one officer who knew him well, any time a shell would land in the vicinity of his office, Lahoud would scramble into a bomb shelter in the basement. During much of the heaviest fighting, Lahoud left the complex entirely and stayed in the basement of the Al-Manar Hotel in Jounieh. "He became the security barometer for many shop owners in Jounieh," the officer told a Lebanese newspaper. "Every time Lahoud used to come to Al-Manar Hotel, the shop owners and other Jounieh residents would realize that things were not normal and that fighting would start soon. Shops would close down and people used to evacuate the streets."
In September, after an Arab League-brokered cease-fire took effect, Aoun fired him and Lahoud crossed over into Syrian-occupied west Beirut several weeks later.
Meanwhile, the Syrians were looking for a Maronite military officer to assume the position of army commander for the pro-Syrian regime in west Beirut, which was endorsed by the 1989 Taif Agreement. Scores of Maronite army officers were offered the job, but they all turned the job down. Finally, Lahoud was offered the position. According to one source, Lahoud had connections to an influential Syria army officer, Ali Hammoud, who recommended him for the job.
As no one has responded, I've removed the first para above, which was the worst, and have left the other two, but I'll remove them tomorrow if no reference is forthcoming, so if anyone cares about this material, speak now. SlimVirgin 03:50, Feb 16, 2005 (UTC)
i just returned to this page, to find the above material deleted--while it certainly shows some bias, it also rings true with everything that i heard about Lahoud while visiting Lebanon last fall--as to the first post (dated much earlier), i think the Syrian influence is definitely attributable, if only for the fact that they changed the Lebanese constitution to allow Lahoud to remain in his position--a move that was roundly decried by Hariri, Jumblatt and many others...perhaps this needs to be noted in the piece, but in a more neutral tone ...i am currently reading 'Pity the Nation,' by Robert Fisk, and will look for more references to Lahoud DWittNYC
Much of the material removed was taken verbatim from the Middle East Intelligence Bulletin [1] and its "dossier" on Lahoud [2]. -- Sesel 13:54, 18 Feb 2005 (UTC)
I wonder if the following could be re-written, alternatively deleted: 'Hariri considered Lahoud to be a lightweight and a Syrian pawn who was undermining Lebanese institutions by backing the encroachment of secret police agencies that mirrored the ones running Syria: the role of the intelligence was no longer to keep up security, but to plant agents, generalize wiretapping, distribute newspaper articles, threaten judges, bind ministers and besiege members of Parliament.Lahoud and about 18 pro-Syrian ministers voted against any project Hariri proposed, from small items like buying land for new schools to economic reforms. At a 2002 meeting of international donors in Paris, the French president Chirac and Hariri managed to secure more than $4 billion in aid to Lebanon, which was heavily in debt, in exchange for economic reforms. Lahoud effectively blocked all the reforms.' What Rafik Hariri thought about Lahoud (to the extent this can be attributed to reputable sources) might not be that relevant. The remainder of the paragraph is highly controversial. To suggest that Lahoud and other 'pro-Syrian' ministers voted against 'any project Hariri proposed' seems like a statement if anything. I believe the allegation that 'Lahoud blocked all the reforms' need to be proved. Meanwhile, Hariri was one of the driving forces behind the Taif agreement, seems absurd to talk of the 'pro-Syrian' regime in West Beirut in this context as there was a broad consensus Syria would provide security. I will change this now. Tiller1 16:49, 20 Mar 2005 (UTC)
This page is quite biassed in its tone, and also completely unsourced. The allegations of Lahoud's behaviour with regard to Hariri and the Syrians are not presented in a neutral way and the repetition of malicious gossip is not very neutral either. Palmiro | Talk 15:21, 22 April 2006 (UTC)
I found a lot of plagiarism of material from the NYT, [3] which I've removed. If anyone wants to restore it, it has to be written up properly and attributed, or else quoted, but bear in mind that if you do that, you'll need to look for balancing material, because the article is so short that the NYT material and POV will overwhelm it. SlimVirgin (talk) 16:57, 22 April 2006 (UTC)
Hello, all. It really doesn't make sense to restore material that is unsourced. The rule (often broken) in WikiP is to rely upon sources. I'm assuming everybody knows that, but I could be wrong in this particular case. I am again removing the unsourced sentences — well, because they lack sources! (really, I don't care a whit about Émile Lahoud one way or the other). This is the section I am referring to —
A Maronite military officer was needed to assume the position of army commander for the West Beirut-based Lebanese government endorsed by the 1989 Taif Agreement citation needed. Lahoud was offered the position. According to one source, Lahoud had connections to an influential Syrian army officer, Ali Hammoud, who recommended him for the job. citation needed
Sincerely, GeorgeLouis 13:32, 20 October 2006 (UTC)
This is just a cheapshot. Wikipedia is clearly being overrun by appologists for US government policy.
Should the article be filled with honors? I think it should be deleted, instead his relations with Syrian government and the role of this in political assassinations in Lebanon should be given. Because there is hardly reference to it. Egeymi ( talk) 15:27, 11 June 2012 (UTC)
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I aint a supporter of Lahoud and i aint even lebanese and i know for a fact that this page is completely biased. As much as i dislike foreign influences i still think we should kepp this unbiased. Comon people...fix this shit up!
i think this page is biased. can any proof of syrian pressure be given? la gaie 18:08, 20 Oct 2004 (UTC)
“Whereas many Lebanese officers abandoned their personal lives during the war of liberation in the service of their country, Lahoud abandoned his professional responsibilities and spent his time philandering, playing poker, and swimming.” Even if true (I have no idea whether it is or not), this needs to be reworded. -- Sesel 02:55, 12 Feb 2005 (UTC)
Lahoud served under General Michel Aoun during the final years of the Lebanese Civil War (1975-90). Most military officers under Aoun's command were fiercely loyal to their leader during the bloody fighting that continued intermittently for the next six months. Lahoud, however, earned a reputation for cowardice and dereliction of duty that alienated his fellow officers. According to one officer who knew him well, any time a shell would land in the vicinity of his office, Lahoud would scramble into a bomb shelter in the basement. During much of the heaviest fighting, Lahoud left the complex entirely and stayed in the basement of the Al-Manar Hotel in Jounieh. "He became the security barometer for many shop owners in Jounieh," the officer told a Lebanese newspaper. "Every time Lahoud used to come to Al-Manar Hotel, the shop owners and other Jounieh residents would realize that things were not normal and that fighting would start soon. Shops would close down and people used to evacuate the streets."
In September, after an Arab League-brokered cease-fire took effect, Aoun fired him and Lahoud crossed over into Syrian-occupied west Beirut several weeks later.
Meanwhile, the Syrians were looking for a Maronite military officer to assume the position of army commander for the pro-Syrian regime in west Beirut, which was endorsed by the 1989 Taif Agreement. Scores of Maronite army officers were offered the job, but they all turned the job down. Finally, Lahoud was offered the position. According to one source, Lahoud had connections to an influential Syria army officer, Ali Hammoud, who recommended him for the job.
As no one has responded, I've removed the first para above, which was the worst, and have left the other two, but I'll remove them tomorrow if no reference is forthcoming, so if anyone cares about this material, speak now. SlimVirgin 03:50, Feb 16, 2005 (UTC)
i just returned to this page, to find the above material deleted--while it certainly shows some bias, it also rings true with everything that i heard about Lahoud while visiting Lebanon last fall--as to the first post (dated much earlier), i think the Syrian influence is definitely attributable, if only for the fact that they changed the Lebanese constitution to allow Lahoud to remain in his position--a move that was roundly decried by Hariri, Jumblatt and many others...perhaps this needs to be noted in the piece, but in a more neutral tone ...i am currently reading 'Pity the Nation,' by Robert Fisk, and will look for more references to Lahoud DWittNYC
Much of the material removed was taken verbatim from the Middle East Intelligence Bulletin [1] and its "dossier" on Lahoud [2]. -- Sesel 13:54, 18 Feb 2005 (UTC)
I wonder if the following could be re-written, alternatively deleted: 'Hariri considered Lahoud to be a lightweight and a Syrian pawn who was undermining Lebanese institutions by backing the encroachment of secret police agencies that mirrored the ones running Syria: the role of the intelligence was no longer to keep up security, but to plant agents, generalize wiretapping, distribute newspaper articles, threaten judges, bind ministers and besiege members of Parliament.Lahoud and about 18 pro-Syrian ministers voted against any project Hariri proposed, from small items like buying land for new schools to economic reforms. At a 2002 meeting of international donors in Paris, the French president Chirac and Hariri managed to secure more than $4 billion in aid to Lebanon, which was heavily in debt, in exchange for economic reforms. Lahoud effectively blocked all the reforms.' What Rafik Hariri thought about Lahoud (to the extent this can be attributed to reputable sources) might not be that relevant. The remainder of the paragraph is highly controversial. To suggest that Lahoud and other 'pro-Syrian' ministers voted against 'any project Hariri proposed' seems like a statement if anything. I believe the allegation that 'Lahoud blocked all the reforms' need to be proved. Meanwhile, Hariri was one of the driving forces behind the Taif agreement, seems absurd to talk of the 'pro-Syrian' regime in West Beirut in this context as there was a broad consensus Syria would provide security. I will change this now. Tiller1 16:49, 20 Mar 2005 (UTC)
This page is quite biassed in its tone, and also completely unsourced. The allegations of Lahoud's behaviour with regard to Hariri and the Syrians are not presented in a neutral way and the repetition of malicious gossip is not very neutral either. Palmiro | Talk 15:21, 22 April 2006 (UTC)
I found a lot of plagiarism of material from the NYT, [3] which I've removed. If anyone wants to restore it, it has to be written up properly and attributed, or else quoted, but bear in mind that if you do that, you'll need to look for balancing material, because the article is so short that the NYT material and POV will overwhelm it. SlimVirgin (talk) 16:57, 22 April 2006 (UTC)
Hello, all. It really doesn't make sense to restore material that is unsourced. The rule (often broken) in WikiP is to rely upon sources. I'm assuming everybody knows that, but I could be wrong in this particular case. I am again removing the unsourced sentences — well, because they lack sources! (really, I don't care a whit about Émile Lahoud one way or the other). This is the section I am referring to —
A Maronite military officer was needed to assume the position of army commander for the West Beirut-based Lebanese government endorsed by the 1989 Taif Agreement citation needed. Lahoud was offered the position. According to one source, Lahoud had connections to an influential Syrian army officer, Ali Hammoud, who recommended him for the job. citation needed
Sincerely, GeorgeLouis 13:32, 20 October 2006 (UTC)
This is just a cheapshot. Wikipedia is clearly being overrun by appologists for US government policy.
Should the article be filled with honors? I think it should be deleted, instead his relations with Syrian government and the role of this in political assassinations in Lebanon should be given. Because there is hardly reference to it. Egeymi ( talk) 15:27, 11 June 2012 (UTC)
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