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So how did he manage to get born in Aachen? ----- Michael K. Smith 05:30, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
Is the statement that Ethelulf's wife died nine years before he went to Rome in 855 a mistake? This would mean she died in 846 and Alfred's date of birth is given as 847-9. Her own entry (as Osburga) gives her death as 855, and in Alfred's entry there is a story about him winning a book of poetry from his mother. Dudley Miles 24 September 2006
This page says he died in 858, but my source ( [1]) says he died in 871, saying:
"In the year of our Lord's incarnation 871," ... "Ethelred, king of the West-Saxons, and his brother Alfred, united their forces and marched to Reading, where, on their arrival, they cut to pieces the pagans whom they found outside the gate fortifications. But the pagans, nevertheless, sallied out from the gates, and a long and fierce engangement ensued. At last, grief to say, the Christians fled, the pagans obtained victory, and the aforesaid earl Ethelwulf was among the slain."
And I'm quite sure that this isn't a typo that could have been his son Aethelred, because Aethelred is mentioned quite a few more times later on in the article. Slycypher ( talk) 21:37, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
A couple of things on this. Firstly, Oakley is not in Surrey. There are several Oakley's but the one most often associated with the battle of Acleah is in Berkshire, see link: http://www.berkshirehistory.com/villages/oakleygreen.html Secondly, in Stenton's Oxford History of Great Britain, the Anglo saxons (or similar name), he makes an argument that the site could NOT be Ockley, due to etmylogical reasons. As a resident of the area I find this disappointing but thought I should mention it. Robruss24 ( talk) 13:48, 28 January 2009 (UTC) As no-one has objected, I have slightly edited the page to reflect this. Robruss24 ( talk) 09:14, 17 March 2009 (UTC)
I have edited the first paragraph of this article which was littered with mistakes. Some of the rest of the article is also wrong in material respects and I will tackle these as and when.
Dantes Warden ( talk) 10:45, 8 March 2010 (UTC)
Æthelbald's accession is given as 856, but in her ODNB article on Æthelwulf at http://www.oxforddnb.com/view/article/8921 Janet Nelson gives it as 858 when Æthelwulf died, pointing out that the Anglo-Saxon Chronicle gave him a reign of eighteen and a half years. She also says that it is unclear whether Wessex itself was divided between Æthelwulf and Æthelbald, or Wessex from lands to the east, and the Wikipedia articles on the two kings give different views on this.
Additional points are that after Æthelwulf's return from Rome in 856, Judith was recognised as Queen, and coins were still issued solely in his name. Although he shared power from 856, I think he should still be regarded as king until his death. Dudley Miles ( talk) 18:47, 13 April 2011 (UTC)
I've drafted a background section here, and before I go through it experimenting with sfn, I wanted to check to see if we agree this is a good way to start the article. I think some political context is necessary to orient a reader unfamiliar with the era. Any comments? Mike Christie ( talk - contribs - library) 23:19, 3 March 2015 (UTC)
I spent some time with the ODNB article on Aethelwulf today to get a sense of how Nelson structured it; I think it would help to figure out how we want to break up the material here. It's more or less like this (I hope my abbreviated notes are comprehensible):
Some thoughts:
-- Mike Christie ( talk - contribs - library) 22:24, 5 March 2015 (UTC)
I have some commitments to complete reviews I have started, but I should be able to get back to this at the weekend, Dudley Miles ( talk) 23:22, 5 March 2015 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: Move. It appears we have a clear consensus that this article should be moved away from this title, and that it's the primary topic of the term Æthelwulf. There was less consensus about whether it should go straight to Æthelwulf, or to another location (with Æthelwulf as a redirect). The article will be moved to Æthelwulf, for two reasons: first, though most articles on Anglo-Saxon monarchs append "... of xxx" after the name, it was shown that a number of them don't, which weakens the consistency argument. Second, the other option with the most support, "Æthelwulf, King of Wessex" involves a construction with even less precedent than just the bare name. Considering that "Æthelwulf" would be a redirect whatever the title, the simplest option seems the best in this case. It was suggested that this might be worth taking up more broadly; that seems like a wise option. Cúchullain t/ c 18:55, 15 June 2015 (UTC)
– King Æthelwulf of Wessex is by far the most prominent person called Æthelwulf, so I suggest that this should be the name of his article, with other Æthelwulfs listed in Æthelwulf (disambiguation). --Relisted. George Ho ( talk) 23:04, 23 May 2015 (UTC) Dudley Miles ( talk) 17:32, 16 May 2015 (UTC)
Pyrusca, the article achieved FA status after careful consideration by a number of highly proficient writers and experienced editors of WP, from which I shall exclude myself. As it appears there are several instances where you believe commas are needed, I'm reasonably sure that such a pattern would have been noticed at some point in the FA process, had the other editors agreed. I appreciate that constant improvement is an aim for WP, but close consideration of the writing is rather the point of the FA process. Be that as it may, I have brought this issue to the attention of Dudley Miles, who nominated the article as a FA candidate. He shall be away for a while from Tuesday, but I hope he shall add his view on this issue sooner or later. Until such time I intend to leave it alone. I should be grateful if you would do likewise, until a fuller discussion can be had. Nortonius ( talk) 22:04, 9 October 2016 (UTC)
The picture used is a very sloppy copy of the original. The British Museum allows usage of their image quite easily as I understand it. There are other images which have been redrawn - but to any reasonable view, they are all quite poorly drawn when compared to the original.
What is the recommended procedure in such cases; what is the best procedure? Somebody with more experience must decide!! NoJoking -- Nojoking ( talk) 18:37, 28 November 2017 (UTC)
Is the image opposite one of Æthelwulf? Greenshed ( talk) 00:10, 31 December 2017 (UTC)
The main source of present day notability for aethelwulf is his depiction in the Vikings TV show. This should be acknowledged. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Heliotom ( talk • contribs) 02:16, 27 March 2018 (UTC)
It's the most notable depiction of him in popular culture. Good of you to speak as the voice of "other editors" though. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Heliotom ( talk • contribs) 09:40, 27 March 2018 (UTC)
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So how did he manage to get born in Aachen? ----- Michael K. Smith 05:30, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
Is the statement that Ethelulf's wife died nine years before he went to Rome in 855 a mistake? This would mean she died in 846 and Alfred's date of birth is given as 847-9. Her own entry (as Osburga) gives her death as 855, and in Alfred's entry there is a story about him winning a book of poetry from his mother. Dudley Miles 24 September 2006
This page says he died in 858, but my source ( [1]) says he died in 871, saying:
"In the year of our Lord's incarnation 871," ... "Ethelred, king of the West-Saxons, and his brother Alfred, united their forces and marched to Reading, where, on their arrival, they cut to pieces the pagans whom they found outside the gate fortifications. But the pagans, nevertheless, sallied out from the gates, and a long and fierce engangement ensued. At last, grief to say, the Christians fled, the pagans obtained victory, and the aforesaid earl Ethelwulf was among the slain."
And I'm quite sure that this isn't a typo that could have been his son Aethelred, because Aethelred is mentioned quite a few more times later on in the article. Slycypher ( talk) 21:37, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
A couple of things on this. Firstly, Oakley is not in Surrey. There are several Oakley's but the one most often associated with the battle of Acleah is in Berkshire, see link: http://www.berkshirehistory.com/villages/oakleygreen.html Secondly, in Stenton's Oxford History of Great Britain, the Anglo saxons (or similar name), he makes an argument that the site could NOT be Ockley, due to etmylogical reasons. As a resident of the area I find this disappointing but thought I should mention it. Robruss24 ( talk) 13:48, 28 January 2009 (UTC) As no-one has objected, I have slightly edited the page to reflect this. Robruss24 ( talk) 09:14, 17 March 2009 (UTC)
I have edited the first paragraph of this article which was littered with mistakes. Some of the rest of the article is also wrong in material respects and I will tackle these as and when.
Dantes Warden ( talk) 10:45, 8 March 2010 (UTC)
Æthelbald's accession is given as 856, but in her ODNB article on Æthelwulf at http://www.oxforddnb.com/view/article/8921 Janet Nelson gives it as 858 when Æthelwulf died, pointing out that the Anglo-Saxon Chronicle gave him a reign of eighteen and a half years. She also says that it is unclear whether Wessex itself was divided between Æthelwulf and Æthelbald, or Wessex from lands to the east, and the Wikipedia articles on the two kings give different views on this.
Additional points are that after Æthelwulf's return from Rome in 856, Judith was recognised as Queen, and coins were still issued solely in his name. Although he shared power from 856, I think he should still be regarded as king until his death. Dudley Miles ( talk) 18:47, 13 April 2011 (UTC)
I've drafted a background section here, and before I go through it experimenting with sfn, I wanted to check to see if we agree this is a good way to start the article. I think some political context is necessary to orient a reader unfamiliar with the era. Any comments? Mike Christie ( talk - contribs - library) 23:19, 3 March 2015 (UTC)
I spent some time with the ODNB article on Aethelwulf today to get a sense of how Nelson structured it; I think it would help to figure out how we want to break up the material here. It's more or less like this (I hope my abbreviated notes are comprehensible):
Some thoughts:
-- Mike Christie ( talk - contribs - library) 22:24, 5 March 2015 (UTC)
I have some commitments to complete reviews I have started, but I should be able to get back to this at the weekend, Dudley Miles ( talk) 23:22, 5 March 2015 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: Move. It appears we have a clear consensus that this article should be moved away from this title, and that it's the primary topic of the term Æthelwulf. There was less consensus about whether it should go straight to Æthelwulf, or to another location (with Æthelwulf as a redirect). The article will be moved to Æthelwulf, for two reasons: first, though most articles on Anglo-Saxon monarchs append "... of xxx" after the name, it was shown that a number of them don't, which weakens the consistency argument. Second, the other option with the most support, "Æthelwulf, King of Wessex" involves a construction with even less precedent than just the bare name. Considering that "Æthelwulf" would be a redirect whatever the title, the simplest option seems the best in this case. It was suggested that this might be worth taking up more broadly; that seems like a wise option. Cúchullain t/ c 18:55, 15 June 2015 (UTC)
– King Æthelwulf of Wessex is by far the most prominent person called Æthelwulf, so I suggest that this should be the name of his article, with other Æthelwulfs listed in Æthelwulf (disambiguation). --Relisted. George Ho ( talk) 23:04, 23 May 2015 (UTC) Dudley Miles ( talk) 17:32, 16 May 2015 (UTC)
Pyrusca, the article achieved FA status after careful consideration by a number of highly proficient writers and experienced editors of WP, from which I shall exclude myself. As it appears there are several instances where you believe commas are needed, I'm reasonably sure that such a pattern would have been noticed at some point in the FA process, had the other editors agreed. I appreciate that constant improvement is an aim for WP, but close consideration of the writing is rather the point of the FA process. Be that as it may, I have brought this issue to the attention of Dudley Miles, who nominated the article as a FA candidate. He shall be away for a while from Tuesday, but I hope he shall add his view on this issue sooner or later. Until such time I intend to leave it alone. I should be grateful if you would do likewise, until a fuller discussion can be had. Nortonius ( talk) 22:04, 9 October 2016 (UTC)
The picture used is a very sloppy copy of the original. The British Museum allows usage of their image quite easily as I understand it. There are other images which have been redrawn - but to any reasonable view, they are all quite poorly drawn when compared to the original.
What is the recommended procedure in such cases; what is the best procedure? Somebody with more experience must decide!! NoJoking -- Nojoking ( talk) 18:37, 28 November 2017 (UTC)
Is the image opposite one of Æthelwulf? Greenshed ( talk) 00:10, 31 December 2017 (UTC)
The main source of present day notability for aethelwulf is his depiction in the Vikings TV show. This should be acknowledged. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Heliotom ( talk • contribs) 02:16, 27 March 2018 (UTC)
It's the most notable depiction of him in popular culture. Good of you to speak as the voice of "other editors" though. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Heliotom ( talk • contribs) 09:40, 27 March 2018 (UTC)
There is a move discussion in progress on Talk:Ecgberht, King of Wessex which affects this page. Please participate on that page and not in this talk page section. Thank you. — RMCD bot 07:47, 4 January 2022 (UTC)