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Does anyone have a concrete source stating that Ethelbald forced his father to abdicate? The sources I have looked at seem to contradict themselves. I have removed the statement for now. -- Cameron ( t| p| c) 21:10, 1 May 2008 (UTC)
I understand what went on in 855.
In 855, King Ethelwulf made a pilgrimage to Rome. He was king of Wessex, stretching from the county of Kent in the east to Devon in the west. Before leaving he bisected the kingdom into the Kingdom of Kent and the Kingdom of Wessex(-proper). Where the split came exactly is unknown, but almost certainly the Kingdom of Kent comprised what is now Kent, Surrey, Sussex, West Sussex, part of Berkshire and Middlesex south of the Thames; and the Kingdom of Wessex comprised Hampshire, Wiltshire, Dorset, Somerset and Devon. This latter kingdom is sometimes known as Wessex-proper to differentiate it from the name of the whole kingdom. Ethelwulf made his two eldest sons, Ethelbald and Ethelbert, kings in these territories: Ethelbald became king of Wessex-proper and Ethelbert became King of Kent. Ethelwulf (with the infant Alfred the Great, brother of Ethelbert and Ethelbald) spent a year in Rome and on his return married Judith, daughter of Charles the Bald, king of the Franks, in October 856 in France.
On Ethelwulf's return, Ethelbald refused to hand back Wessex-proper to his father but Ethelbert gave up the kingship of Kent. There was some kind of military clash between Ethelwulf and Ethelbald, which apparently ground into a stalemate, leaving Ethelwulf king of Kent and Ethelbald still king of Wessex-proper. Ethelwulf died January 858 and Ethelbert resumed his kingship of Kent. Ethelbald remained king of Wessex-proper until his death in 860, at which point Ethelbert stitched the whole kingdom together as Wessex again. Notably, Ethelbald's death marked Kent's last moment as a separate kingdom.
Much of the rest of this article is either wrong or misleading. Unfortunately, as a newbie I lack the knowledge and skills to rewrite it.
Dantes Warden ( talk) 11:04, 4 March 2010 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: moved. Noting this does not set a precedent for any other pre-conquest monarchs. Jenks24 ( talk) 12:20, 2 March 2017 (UTC)
Æthelbald of Wessex →
Æthelbald, King of Wessex – This name would be clearer, would conform with other articles such as
Stephen, King of England and
John, King of England. He is shown as "Æthelbald (d. 860), king of the West Saxons" in the Oxford Dictionary of National Biography, but other sources such as A Biographical Dictionary of Dark Age Britain and The Wiley-Blackwell Encyclopedia of Anglo-Saxon England have "of Wessex", and I think this would be clearer for readers than "of the West Saxons". If this move is accepted, I would suggest a similar change for other Anglo-Saxon kings.
Dudley Miles (
talk) 20:57, 21 February 2017 (UTC)
If that's the word I'm after. I didn't mention this at FAC just now (enthusiastically supporting) as it isn't relevant to the FA process, but I'm interested to know if there was any canonical ban at the time on marrying one's widowed stepmother. I assume the pope said nothing, as you don't mention him, but I suppose that could be either because there was no current rule against the practice or that there was but the pope felt it expedient to overlook a breach of it. Tim riley talk 11:30, 27 August 2018 (UTC)
His article reasonably suggests that Æthelbald's older brother died in the early 850s, not the 860s as stated here. As this is a featured article, i won't change it silently, but i'd suggest we want to reconcile the two and ensure that whichever isn't correct is changed. Happy days, Lindsay Hello 19:21, 25 January 2020 (UTC)
There is a move discussion in progress on Talk:Ecgberht, King of Wessex which affects this page. Please participate on that page and not in this talk page section. Thank you. — RMCD bot 07:47, 4 January 2022 (UTC)
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On 4 January 2022, it was proposed that this article be moved to Æthelbald of Wessex. The result of the discussion was no consensus. |
Does anyone have a concrete source stating that Ethelbald forced his father to abdicate? The sources I have looked at seem to contradict themselves. I have removed the statement for now. -- Cameron ( t| p| c) 21:10, 1 May 2008 (UTC)
I understand what went on in 855.
In 855, King Ethelwulf made a pilgrimage to Rome. He was king of Wessex, stretching from the county of Kent in the east to Devon in the west. Before leaving he bisected the kingdom into the Kingdom of Kent and the Kingdom of Wessex(-proper). Where the split came exactly is unknown, but almost certainly the Kingdom of Kent comprised what is now Kent, Surrey, Sussex, West Sussex, part of Berkshire and Middlesex south of the Thames; and the Kingdom of Wessex comprised Hampshire, Wiltshire, Dorset, Somerset and Devon. This latter kingdom is sometimes known as Wessex-proper to differentiate it from the name of the whole kingdom. Ethelwulf made his two eldest sons, Ethelbald and Ethelbert, kings in these territories: Ethelbald became king of Wessex-proper and Ethelbert became King of Kent. Ethelwulf (with the infant Alfred the Great, brother of Ethelbert and Ethelbald) spent a year in Rome and on his return married Judith, daughter of Charles the Bald, king of the Franks, in October 856 in France.
On Ethelwulf's return, Ethelbald refused to hand back Wessex-proper to his father but Ethelbert gave up the kingship of Kent. There was some kind of military clash between Ethelwulf and Ethelbald, which apparently ground into a stalemate, leaving Ethelwulf king of Kent and Ethelbald still king of Wessex-proper. Ethelwulf died January 858 and Ethelbert resumed his kingship of Kent. Ethelbald remained king of Wessex-proper until his death in 860, at which point Ethelbert stitched the whole kingdom together as Wessex again. Notably, Ethelbald's death marked Kent's last moment as a separate kingdom.
Much of the rest of this article is either wrong or misleading. Unfortunately, as a newbie I lack the knowledge and skills to rewrite it.
Dantes Warden ( talk) 11:04, 4 March 2010 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: moved. Noting this does not set a precedent for any other pre-conquest monarchs. Jenks24 ( talk) 12:20, 2 March 2017 (UTC)
Æthelbald of Wessex →
Æthelbald, King of Wessex – This name would be clearer, would conform with other articles such as
Stephen, King of England and
John, King of England. He is shown as "Æthelbald (d. 860), king of the West Saxons" in the Oxford Dictionary of National Biography, but other sources such as A Biographical Dictionary of Dark Age Britain and The Wiley-Blackwell Encyclopedia of Anglo-Saxon England have "of Wessex", and I think this would be clearer for readers than "of the West Saxons". If this move is accepted, I would suggest a similar change for other Anglo-Saxon kings.
Dudley Miles (
talk) 20:57, 21 February 2017 (UTC)
If that's the word I'm after. I didn't mention this at FAC just now (enthusiastically supporting) as it isn't relevant to the FA process, but I'm interested to know if there was any canonical ban at the time on marrying one's widowed stepmother. I assume the pope said nothing, as you don't mention him, but I suppose that could be either because there was no current rule against the practice or that there was but the pope felt it expedient to overlook a breach of it. Tim riley talk 11:30, 27 August 2018 (UTC)
His article reasonably suggests that Æthelbald's older brother died in the early 850s, not the 860s as stated here. As this is a featured article, i won't change it silently, but i'd suggest we want to reconcile the two and ensure that whichever isn't correct is changed. Happy days, Lindsay Hello 19:21, 25 January 2020 (UTC)
There is a move discussion in progress on Talk:Ecgberht, King of Wessex which affects this page. Please participate on that page and not in this talk page section. Thank you. — RMCD bot 07:47, 4 January 2022 (UTC)