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The result of the proposal was move. Cúchullain t/ c 13:45, 13 August 2012 (UTC)
House of Árpád → Árpád dynasty — I don't see the dynasties of China, Ancient Egypt, early Germanic Europe and the Byzantine Empire having a problem with using the term "dynasty" to refer to other members of the family other than the main line of ruling kings. Dynasty like house refers to a ruling family/line. It is only wikipeida that stress the use of "House of ..." on every European ruling family. The title Árpád dynasty hasn't been changed since it was created and throughout the article the term dynasty is used more often than House. Relisted. Jenks24 ( talk) 08:29, 17 July 2012 (UTC) -- The Emperor's New Spy ( talk) 20:28, 8 July 2012 (UTC)
@ Dbachmann:, would you refer to scholars who challenge Bertényi's words about the symbolism of the double cross on Béla III's coins? Thank you. Borsoka ( talk) 17:34, 9 November 2018 (UTC)
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badget->badger? context:
~~~ ance of Aragon]], from the house of Barcelona, and he may have followed Barcelonese ([[Catalans|Catalan]]) patterns when he chose his [[coat-of-arms]] that would become the Árpáds' familiar badget
badget (an [[Escutcheon (heraldry)|escutcheon]] [[barry (heraldry)|barry]] of eight [[Gules]] and [[Argent]]).<ref>Bertényi 1983 ''Kis magyar'' p. 70.</ref> His son and successor, King [[Ladis ~~~
Anon, please read WP:NOR before adding content to this article. Borsoka ( talk) 06:46, 20 January 2022 (UTC)
Hi Borsoka,
I would like talk about this revert:
https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Árpád_dynasty&diff=1127769714&oldid=1127766929
Please check the historical work what I provided as sources, the modern sources say clearly "Turul dynasty" as the Árpád dynasty many times from more authors:
Published in 2022, Institute of Hungarian Research, Hungarian Ministry of Culture and Innovation:
https://mki.gov.hu/hu/e-konyvtar-hu/idegen-nyelvu-kiadvanyok-hu/tanulmanykotetek-hu/kings-and-saints
https://mki.gov.hu/assets/pdf/MKI_EN_006_kings_and_saints_B5_web.pdf
There are more, just examples:
Dr. Gábor Horváth-Lugossy (Director-General of the Institute of Hungarian Research): "Why do we Hungarians have to deal with the Turul dynasty, or the Árpád dynasty as they were called for two hundred years, as well as with the era of the Árpáds?"
Miklós Makoldi (archehologist):
"Árpád’s Hungarians: the Turul dynasty and its people – what was the purpose and route of the Hungarian conquest?" "
Árpád’s Hungarians, whose leaders, representing the royal bloodline of the Turul dynasty"
"the ruling House of Árpád, i.e. the Turul nation"
"demonstrating that the most ancient known ancestor of the Turul nation was first identified in the later Baktria"
Endre Neparáczki:
"the Árpád dynasty (or, as Simon Kézai called it, the Turul clan)"
"Now, of these captains, Árpád of the Turul clan, son of Álmos"
I also added source to the "clan of the holy kings"
Miklós Kásler:
"enriched and passed on by the clan of the holy kings, later known as the new Árpád dynasty"
"The phrase “Szent Királyok nemzetsége” [clan of the holy kings] became widely known in the 13th century, after King Stephen I and his son Prince Emeric"
"Although the male branch of the Árpád dynasty died out in 1301, the female branch lived on much longer, and our Anjou monarchs and Sigismund of Luxembourg were proud to claim themselves members of the “clan of holy kings” in their times"
Dezső Dümmerth (historian): Az Árpádok nyomában (Following the Árpáds) (Published 2003)
Please check the chapter:
"A Turul-nemzetség kibontakozása" "The development of the Turul clan"
https://www.regikonyvek.hu/kiadas/az-arpadok-nyomaban-2003-corvina-kiado
https://legeza.oszk.hu/sendpage.php?rec=li0467
"Az első fejezet a Turul-nemzetség kibontakozását, a magyarság kialakulását elemzi."
György Szabados (historian): https://arpad.abtk.hu/images/e-konyvtar/Szabados_Gyrgy_Attila-s_a_slyomforma_madr_s_a_fehr_elefnt.pdf "Árpádról jegyzi meg, hogy a Turul nemzetségből származik"
I know the official name is Árpád dynasty, but this dynasty was called Turul in the past, and as we can see still nowadays many academics use this term. I think my edit is supported by reliable sources.
OrionNimrod (
talk) 15:56, 16 December 2022 (UTC)
Привет, на 51 процент , я потомок Арпадской династии, Башкир,
Kohanim 17/6 процента, Hous Manfredi 31 процент. Значит Потомки остались 109.187.100.19 ( talk) 05:02, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
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The result of the proposal was move. Cúchullain t/ c 13:45, 13 August 2012 (UTC)
House of Árpád → Árpád dynasty — I don't see the dynasties of China, Ancient Egypt, early Germanic Europe and the Byzantine Empire having a problem with using the term "dynasty" to refer to other members of the family other than the main line of ruling kings. Dynasty like house refers to a ruling family/line. It is only wikipeida that stress the use of "House of ..." on every European ruling family. The title Árpád dynasty hasn't been changed since it was created and throughout the article the term dynasty is used more often than House. Relisted. Jenks24 ( talk) 08:29, 17 July 2012 (UTC) -- The Emperor's New Spy ( talk) 20:28, 8 July 2012 (UTC)
@ Dbachmann:, would you refer to scholars who challenge Bertényi's words about the symbolism of the double cross on Béla III's coins? Thank you. Borsoka ( talk) 17:34, 9 November 2018 (UTC)
from
Wikipedia:Correct typos in one click
badget->badger? context:
~~~ ance of Aragon]], from the house of Barcelona, and he may have followed Barcelonese ([[Catalans|Catalan]]) patterns when he chose his [[coat-of-arms]] that would become the Árpáds' familiar badget
badget (an [[Escutcheon (heraldry)|escutcheon]] [[barry (heraldry)|barry]] of eight [[Gules]] and [[Argent]]).<ref>Bertényi 1983 ''Kis magyar'' p. 70.</ref> His son and successor, King [[Ladis ~~~
Anon, please read WP:NOR before adding content to this article. Borsoka ( talk) 06:46, 20 January 2022 (UTC)
Hi Borsoka,
I would like talk about this revert:
https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Árpád_dynasty&diff=1127769714&oldid=1127766929
Please check the historical work what I provided as sources, the modern sources say clearly "Turul dynasty" as the Árpád dynasty many times from more authors:
Published in 2022, Institute of Hungarian Research, Hungarian Ministry of Culture and Innovation:
https://mki.gov.hu/hu/e-konyvtar-hu/idegen-nyelvu-kiadvanyok-hu/tanulmanykotetek-hu/kings-and-saints
https://mki.gov.hu/assets/pdf/MKI_EN_006_kings_and_saints_B5_web.pdf
There are more, just examples:
Dr. Gábor Horváth-Lugossy (Director-General of the Institute of Hungarian Research): "Why do we Hungarians have to deal with the Turul dynasty, or the Árpád dynasty as they were called for two hundred years, as well as with the era of the Árpáds?"
Miklós Makoldi (archehologist):
"Árpád’s Hungarians: the Turul dynasty and its people – what was the purpose and route of the Hungarian conquest?" "
Árpád’s Hungarians, whose leaders, representing the royal bloodline of the Turul dynasty"
"the ruling House of Árpád, i.e. the Turul nation"
"demonstrating that the most ancient known ancestor of the Turul nation was first identified in the later Baktria"
Endre Neparáczki:
"the Árpád dynasty (or, as Simon Kézai called it, the Turul clan)"
"Now, of these captains, Árpád of the Turul clan, son of Álmos"
I also added source to the "clan of the holy kings"
Miklós Kásler:
"enriched and passed on by the clan of the holy kings, later known as the new Árpád dynasty"
"The phrase “Szent Királyok nemzetsége” [clan of the holy kings] became widely known in the 13th century, after King Stephen I and his son Prince Emeric"
"Although the male branch of the Árpád dynasty died out in 1301, the female branch lived on much longer, and our Anjou monarchs and Sigismund of Luxembourg were proud to claim themselves members of the “clan of holy kings” in their times"
Dezső Dümmerth (historian): Az Árpádok nyomában (Following the Árpáds) (Published 2003)
Please check the chapter:
"A Turul-nemzetség kibontakozása" "The development of the Turul clan"
https://www.regikonyvek.hu/kiadas/az-arpadok-nyomaban-2003-corvina-kiado
https://legeza.oszk.hu/sendpage.php?rec=li0467
"Az első fejezet a Turul-nemzetség kibontakozását, a magyarság kialakulását elemzi."
György Szabados (historian): https://arpad.abtk.hu/images/e-konyvtar/Szabados_Gyrgy_Attila-s_a_slyomforma_madr_s_a_fehr_elefnt.pdf "Árpádról jegyzi meg, hogy a Turul nemzetségből származik"
I know the official name is Árpád dynasty, but this dynasty was called Turul in the past, and as we can see still nowadays many academics use this term. I think my edit is supported by reliable sources.
OrionNimrod (
talk) 15:56, 16 December 2022 (UTC)
Привет, на 51 процент , я потомок Арпадской династии, Башкир,
Kohanim 17/6 процента, Hous Manfredi 31 процент. Значит Потомки остались 109.187.100.19 ( talk) 05:02, 29 May 2024 (UTC)