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Fangs is a useful first approximation, but it's misleading in important ways.
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The citation clearly states that alt text issues are one of the main problems with blind access to Wikipedia.
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Explain the error that was introduced about three hours ago.
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Don't make the image smaller than what the user asks for, if the user asks for 300px for example.
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Let's fix any inaccuracy.
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The example was recently changed (not by me) and is currently wrong, which explains the confusion.
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Summarize what the source says.
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→What to write for the caption to be the alt text
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→What to write for the caption to be the alt text
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Yes, it's wrong.
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These two sources are directly cited, so they are references, not further reading.
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Rename to "Accuracy", for brevity.
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Mention that the hair is tousled, perhaps the most striking visual aspect of this portrait.
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Restore reliable source that is primarily about blind access to Wikipedia; this is more directly relevant than most other sources here.
16:54
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→Goal
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Mention network problems explicitly; they're common.
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No need for in-text attribution or qualification here: this point is the consensus among reliable sources.
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In example, use same size as in actual web page. This is the main portrait for Ptolemy, so details about his appearance are appropriate for the alt text in this context.
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WP:ALT#Brevity
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Ptolemy II Philadelphus
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→Goal
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Explain goal at the start of the section: alt text is intended to be a working alternative, not a perfect substitute. This helps motivate brevity.
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→Images without alt text
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This is about exceptions, and should be after more-typical cases. Fix incorrect advice about link=|alt=. Suggest "Indescribable image" for contentious case.
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Use more-succinct alt text in main example, taken from the talk page.
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Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Accessibility/Alternative text for images
Coalesce duplicate citations to McAlpine. Don't use Google Books URLs; they are not reliable (typically don't work for me), have privacy issues, and are not necessary.
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Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Accessibility/Alternative text for images
Contentious images need alt text too, even if it's just a placeholder.
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Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Accessibility/Alternative text for images
All non-decorative images should have alt text; when captions substitute, they are supplying alt text.
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Explain difference from caption. This is invariably a cause of confusion and needs explanation in the lead.
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Cite McAlpine in the body too; lead should cite only sources cited in body. Move out of "references" since it's cited.
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Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Accessibility/Alternative text for images
Repunctuate example a bit.
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Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Accessibility/Alternative text for images
Every image should have alt text, unless it is purely decorative. This is the WCAG guideline; it's not something we should blithely override. Distinguish from caption.
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19 March 2010
07:00
07:00, 19 March 2010
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Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/Accessibility/Alternative text for images
→Fangs
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Fangs is a useful first approximation, but it's misleading in important ways.
06:32
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Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/Accessibility/Alternative text for images
→Source request again
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The citation clearly states that alt text issues are one of the main problems with blind access to Wikipedia.
18 March 2010
23:45
23:45, 18 March 2010
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User talk:Eubulides
→Firefox
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Control-B, anybody?
16:58
16:58, 18 March 2010
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Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/Accessibility/Alternative text for images
→Some remaining issues
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Explain the error that was introduced about three hours ago.
16:54
16:54, 18 March 2010
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Otomi language
→Orthography
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Don't make the image smaller than what the user asks for, if the user asks for 300px for example.
16:25
16:25, 18 March 2010
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Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/Accessibility/Alternative text for images
→Source request again
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Let's fix any inaccuracy.
16:21
16:21, 18 March 2010
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Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/Accessibility/Alternative text for images
→Some remaining issues
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The example was recently changed (not by me) and is currently wrong, which explains the confusion.
16:12
16:12, 18 March 2010
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Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/Accessibility/Alternative text for images
→Source request again
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Summarize what the source says.
05:16
05:16, 18 March 2010
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User talk:Josh Parris
→Wildbot incorrectly flags Ritual#Psychology
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03:16
03:16, 18 March 2010
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Autism spectrum
→Causes
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Fix a dangling link.
03:14
03:14, 18 March 2010
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Ritual
Add an anchor so that
Ritual#Psychology
works.
03:10
03:10, 18 March 2010
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Autism spectrum
→Pathophysiology
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Fix a disambig link.
17 March 2010
22:33
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Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/Accessibility/Alternative text for images
→Succinct in seven words
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Way too short for encyclopedic images. Guideline should not enforce a very terse style.
22:21
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Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/Accessibility/Alternative text for images
→What to write for the caption to be the alt text
:
WP:ALT#Placeholders
and
WP:ALT#Defaulting to caption
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17:54
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Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/Accessibility/Alternative text for images
→What to write for the caption to be the alt text
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Yes, it's wrong.
17:51
17:51, 17 March 2010
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Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/Accessibility/Alternative text for images
→Duplicate citations
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New subsection.
17:49
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Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Accessibility/Alternative text for images
→References
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These two sources are directly cited, so they are references, not further reading.
17:42
17:42, 17 March 2010
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Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Accessibility/Alternative text for images
→Further reading
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Omit URL towards what appears to be a copyright violation.
17:41
17:41, 17 March 2010
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+571
Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Accessibility/Alternative text for images
Adjust newly-added citations to match existing style.
17:23
17:23, 17 March 2010
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Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Accessibility/Alternative text for images
Add missing "text".
17:22
17:22, 17 March 2010
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+24
Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Accessibility/Alternative text for images
→Repetition
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Also mention repetition of nearby text, as well as of caption.
17:20
17:20, 17 March 2010
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Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Accessibility/Alternative text for images
→Brevity
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Restore the point about not a detailed physical description (recently came up) and not an ID (often comes up). Give a loose upper bound (as some guidance is needed here).
17:13
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Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Accessibility/Alternative text for images
→Be precise, but keep it simple
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Rename to "Accuracy", for brevity.
17:12
17:12, 17 March 2010
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Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Accessibility/Alternative text for images
→Complying with the content policies
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Rename to "Content policies", for brevity.
17:10
17:10, 17 March 2010
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Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Accessibility/Alternative text for images
→Complying with the content policies
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Add an anchor, since
WP:ALT#Verifiability
is common.
17:08
17:08, 17 March 2010
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Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Accessibility/Alternative text for images
→Examples
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Give rule of thumb about describing in order of noticing.
17:03
17:03, 17 March 2010
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Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Accessibility/Alternative text for images
→Complying with the content policies
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Mention that the hair is tousled, perhaps the most striking visual aspect of this portrait.
16:59
16:59, 17 March 2010
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Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Accessibility/Alternative text for images
→Goal
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Conjoin two short and related sentences.
16:58
16:58, 17 March 2010
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Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Accessibility/Alternative text for images
→Goal
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Reword for brevity.
16:57
16:57, 17 March 2010
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Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Accessibility/Alternative text for images
→Goal
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Restore reliable source that is primarily about blind access to Wikipedia; this is more directly relevant than most other sources here.
16:54
16:54, 17 March 2010
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+10
Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Accessibility/Alternative text for images
→Goal
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Mention network problems explicitly; they're common.
16:51
16:51, 17 March 2010
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−22
Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Accessibility/Alternative text for images
→Goal
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Omit "But bear in mind that"; not necessary.
16:50
16:50, 17 March 2010
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Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Accessibility/Alternative text for images
→Goal
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No need for in-text attribution or qualification here: this point is the consensus among reliable sources.
16:49
16:49, 17 March 2010
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+54
Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Accessibility/Alternative text for images
→Goal
:
In example, use same size as in actual web page. This is the main portrait for Ptolemy, so details about his appearance are appropriate for the alt text in this context.
16:47
16:47, 17 March 2010
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Ptolemy II Philadelphus
Shrink alt text a tad, in the interests of
WP:ALT#Brevity
.
16:44
16:44, 17 March 2010
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Ptolemy II Philadelphus
Make the coin a bit smaller.
16:42
16:42, 17 March 2010
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+306
Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Accessibility/Alternative text for images
→Goal
:
Explain goal at the start of the section: alt text is intended to be a working alternative, not a perfect substitute. This helps motivate brevity.
16:38
16:38, 17 March 2010
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→Images without alt text
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This is about exceptions, and should be after more-typical cases. Fix incorrect advice about link=|alt=. Suggest "Indescribable image" for contentious case.
16:23
16:23, 17 March 2010
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−225
Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Accessibility/Alternative text for images
Use more-succinct alt text in main example, taken from the talk page.
15:59
15:59, 17 March 2010
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−185
Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Accessibility/Alternative text for images
Coalesce duplicate citations to McAlpine. Don't use Google Books URLs; they are not reliable (typically don't work for me), have privacy issues, and are not necessary.
15:54
15:54, 17 March 2010
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−76
Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Accessibility/Alternative text for images
Contentious images need alt text too, even if it's just a placeholder.
15:53
15:53, 17 March 2010
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+10
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Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Accessibility/Alternative text for images
Add "parameter".
15:52
15:52, 17 March 2010
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Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Accessibility/Alternative text for images
All non-decorative images should have alt text; when captions substitute, they are supplying alt text.
15:50
15:50, 17 March 2010
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+220
Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Accessibility/Alternative text for images
Explain difference from caption. This is invariably a cause of confusion and needs explanation in the lead.
15:45
15:45, 17 March 2010
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Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Accessibility/Alternative text for images
Cite McAlpine in the body too; lead should cite only sources cited in body. Move out of "references" since it's cited.
15:34
15:34, 17 March 2010
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+26
Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Accessibility/Alternative text for images
Repunctuate example a bit.
15:31
15:31, 17 March 2010
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+32
Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Accessibility/Alternative text for images
Every image should have alt text, unless it is purely decorative. This is the WCAG guideline; it's not something we should blithely override. Distinguish from caption.
07:42
07:42, 17 March 2010
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Daylight saving time
Undid revision 350359421 by
Eubulides
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talk
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07:40
07:40, 17 March 2010
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Time in Australia
→Daylight-saving time
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Omit the hyphen in the section title; the term is rarely hyphenated.
07:38
07:38, 17 March 2010
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−43
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Daylight saving time
→How it works
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Remove wikilink that no longer works; discovered by WildBot.
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