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- gadfium 13:51, 12 February 2006 (UTC)
I'd be against excluding Australia and New Zealand from this portal. Whilst it's true the wealth of coverage lays with those two countries, they by no means need dominate this portal. The initial idea for a Portal:Oceania originated in discussions over hierarchical arrangement of portals. Country portals were to be made subportals of regional portals, which would themselves be subportals of Portal:Geography. Thus, in that reasoning, Portal:Oceania would exist as a link between Portal:Geography and the portals for countries in the region. These at present are Portal:Australia and Portal:New Zealand. I don't think other Oceanian nations could sustain individual portals (though I've noticed our coverage of Papua New Guinea and Fiji (and also Norfolk Island to a much lesser extent) greatly improving). If Portal:Oceania in the context I hope for doesn't do the nations aside Aus and NZ justice, I'd support Portal:Pacific Islands as subportal covering them exclusively.-- cj | talk 14:50, 18 February 2006 (UTC)
I was not speaking about all Indonesia but West Papua which population and languages are culturally and linguistically considered as Papuan. Or may be their cousins from Papua New Guinea are not considered being oceanian ? If it's the case you should remove PNG from the list too. Nevers
Hawai'i, French polynesia, Tokelau... are not independant too, so, that's not the point. West Papua could belong to a future Southeast Asia portal as well (or may it already exists???). But I persist to think that West Papua has its full place too in a portal dedicated to Oceania. Don't make a fuss with "double or triple entries" (I don't know if it's the right expression in good english... anyway) that's the case for all oceanian countries and territories . Nevers
I am quite agree with you Tmac and I understand that boundaries are "somewhat arbitrary", but what are the criteria ? First thing to do would be to define them
- Political ? If it means only independant countries, it will seriously reduce the list.
- Members of the Pacific Islands Forum ? Guam, Northern Marianas, Hawai'i are not members. French polynesia, New Caledonia and East Timor are not full members but have the status of "observers".
- Members of the South Pacific Community ? I'm afraid that in this case, you should also include France, UK and USA which would not be very realistic
-Linguistic ? As far as the comparative methods are reliable there are three main language families in the Pacific area (austronesian, aboriginal, papuan). The problem is that Indonesian, Malagasy, and Tagalog are also Austronesian languages.
So in conclusion, if I had to arbitrary choose what is Oceania or not, ( a sort of mix of all these criteria) I would include West Papua and East Timor. Why not make a vote ?
I will add that some of you will probably think, that as a french speaker (I know my english is not really good) a "portal oceania" in an english wikipedia is not my business and i should better do it in the french wikipedia. You are right and if i had more time i would probably do it. The other issue is that i have noticed that when the english wikipedia doing an article or a portal, the other wikipedias generally follow the same model. So I try to be as efficient as i can, "lobbying" :) for West Papua as oceanian territory directly in the english version Nevers
We should link from the main portal page to all those Wikipedias in languages indigenous to the area. The ones I am aware of are
I'm unsure whether we should link to French language at fr:; it is the main language in several Pacific Island nations.
There is an approved proposal for a Tetum language version of Wikipedia, currently under test at m:test-wp/tet. Once that Wikipedia is setup, we should link to it as well.
Wikipedias in Gilbertese language and Cook Islands Maori are under consideration.
I've probably missed some. Please add them to the list.- gadfium 22:38, 15 February 2006 (UTC)
Following a suggestion from User:Davidcannon above, I'm planning a daily rotation between the various states which make up Oceania (I'll pad the articles on states with other geographical articles to make up 31). I've started preparing the writeups for these; see Portal:Oceania/Daily article. The writeups are only a draft; feel free to improve them or to swap in better pictures. In particular, I need a picture for Niue. Please try to keep the writeups about the same length as each other; it makes layout of the portal page so much easier.
I plan to have a selected article of the month as well. At this point, I'm not sure if I want to bother with a selected picture.- gadfium 08:26, 18 February 2006 (UTC)
The first draft of the daily rotation list is now complete. I padded out the 28 countries and territories with Melanesia, Polynesia and Micronesia, which I put in order of population, since the last will only appear on seven months of the year. I gave these three entries larger graphics, since the maps are even less useful at 100 pixels.
I need better pictures for Norfolk Island - the picture is of a Norfolk pine, but not one on the island, Tuvalu and Wallis and Futuna.- gadfium 23:59, 18 February 2006 (UTC)
This is a clever idea that they rotate automatically. Is this used on other portals? -- Astrokey44| talk 11:53, 7 March 2006 (UTC)
Here's a list of articles we could use for our monthly selected article. I'm not insisting that a selected article have a picture; if we have to we'll use the country's flag. A selected article candidate must be of reasonable length. I've tried to make a balance between different areas, topics and types of articles.
Please add more to the list, comment on the selection, and suggest alternate ordering.- gadfium 23:59, 18 February 2006 (UTC)
The queue can be seen at Portal:Oceania/Selected article.
The portal is up and running. Comments welcomed. Pitching in and helping welcomed even more.
At present, the "Associated Wikimedia" section isn't really working. Only Wikinews and Commons have an Oceania section, and Wikinews redirects that to the Oceania portal. Should we customise the section to only include relevant Wikimedia, or should we drop it entirely as we already link to Wikinews in the Current events section?
Anyone who can help with the "Other languages" section is welcome; I'd like the link to each language to consist of a few words in that language saying "Wikipedia in XXXese".
I'll get a Oceania in 2006 page set up in the next few days to serve as a permanent record of the Current Events section. I expect the Current Events will have more than a couple of items on it at one time, which will pose problems for the left-right column balance. We could change the widths of the columns to improve this situation, or add an extra box to the left-hand column (maybe a DYK), or move the "Other languages" box to the left-hand column (and put it back to a single column). I'd like some feedback on this.
Using the "Edit" button on the Selected article will at present give you the redirect page. This is an artifact of putting up the portal towards the end of the month, and the March selection being shown when the month is actually February. It should be right at the beginning of next month.- gadfium 05:14, 21 February 2006 (UTC)
How are we to decide what gets added to ITN? all it be all the news from Current Events in Austraila and New Zealand? or...... Brian | (Talk) 23:38, 21 February 2006 (UTC)
Any one reading this got any insight into what's happening in East Timor at present. I'm not sure what to make of [3] and [4].- gadfium 08:20, 27 February 2006 (UTC)
The portal has been live for a bit over a month. Our selected article has rolled over to the second topic. How are we doing so far? Is the news pane doing an adequate job? I haven't had a lot of other people contributing to the portal in the last month, so I'm posting to a vacuum so far. I've had limited time since the beginning of March to devote to this portal, but I might have more time in the second half of April. What should I concentrate on?- gadfium 06:35, 2 April 2006 (UTC)
Someone wants to delete Australasia as a heading from the territories table at Oceania. I'm mentioning it here to get some more eyeballs on the question. Discuss at Talk:Oceania if you're interested. · rodii · 20:07, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
I think we should leave East Timor in Southeast Asia where it does belong geographically anyway. But is it necessary to include it in the Oceania section? If so, then we should include Indonesia, Malaysia and the Philippines who are also linguistically and culturally related to the countries in Oceania. We should ask the East Timorese themselves if they wish to be included or not. Because many East Timorese I know resent being called a " Pacific" or "South Pacific" country because of the negative connotations associated with them, such as the violence and turmoil of the "failed states" of Solomon Islands and Vanuatu.
I think that East Timor should be in Oceania because these subportals are not How the countries are Geographically (They are to a degree) associated but also cultually and Politically. -- Gerrado 19:40, 1 September 2006 (UTC)
Oceania includes all of the Pacific Island excluding the overseas territories. If someone could, maybe include them on the portals? I have part of the list: Fiji
Nauri
Guam
Kiribati
Vanuatu
Solomon Islands
I've decided to start including a greater number of news items from Australia and New Zealand in this portals In the News section. This will help keep the news fresh.- gadfium 05:44, 10 March 2007 (UTC)
If you're committed to strong representation of Pacific/Oceanian cultures and languages in the Wikipedia Project, make sure to vote in support of a Rotuman Wikipedia here, that this great resource of Wikipedia may be used as a common rallying point, to disseminate information and to learn about our language and heritage. Noa'ia ma tae 'on ti'u! -- Mattbray 09:44, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
Unfortunately, Pacific Magazine has ceased publication. It was a valuable source of news stories (mostly republished) for Oceania. I use Radio New Zealand international and Radio Australia Pacific News, but would like pointers to other news services which publish regular bulletins online covering Oceania, rather than just a single nation in the region. Most news aggregators dealing with "oceania" are dominated by stories about Australia and New Zealand.- gadfium 05:36, 4 January 2009 (UTC)
I'm getting tired of maintaining this section. If anyone wants to take over, they're welcome. See the above section for a couple of links for sources to find stories. The main problem is that there are relatively few editors working on articles about Oceania, and even major news events such as changes of leadership for a country often do not result in updates to our articles or in articles written about the new leader.
If no one is interested in finding news stories and at least occasionally updating the news section, we could import news stories from Wikinews. This will have the downside that Wikinews' Oceania portal is largely dominated by Australian stories. Australia has the largest population by far of any country in Oceania, but it also has its own healthy portal on Wikipedia, and I have concentrated on news stories from places other than Australia and New Zealand here.
Another alternative is to remove the news section entirely. If I get no feedback here, this is what I will do.
I intend to continue maintaining the "Selected article" section.- gadfium 18:11, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
There is a navbox template for indigenous Oceanian culture, Template:Culture of Oceania, which currently does not add articles to which it is added to the Category:Oceanian culture. If that is desired, or automatically linking to any other category, would be an easy change. Open for suggestions! For reference, these pages now transclude the template. Newportm ( talk) 18:22, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
Hello, could someone working on this article Biodiversity of New Caledonia. It is very important in Paleobotany and evolution. 85.251.99.49 ( talk) 07:53, 25 March 2012 (UTC)
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- gadfium 13:51, 12 February 2006 (UTC)
I'd be against excluding Australia and New Zealand from this portal. Whilst it's true the wealth of coverage lays with those two countries, they by no means need dominate this portal. The initial idea for a Portal:Oceania originated in discussions over hierarchical arrangement of portals. Country portals were to be made subportals of regional portals, which would themselves be subportals of Portal:Geography. Thus, in that reasoning, Portal:Oceania would exist as a link between Portal:Geography and the portals for countries in the region. These at present are Portal:Australia and Portal:New Zealand. I don't think other Oceanian nations could sustain individual portals (though I've noticed our coverage of Papua New Guinea and Fiji (and also Norfolk Island to a much lesser extent) greatly improving). If Portal:Oceania in the context I hope for doesn't do the nations aside Aus and NZ justice, I'd support Portal:Pacific Islands as subportal covering them exclusively.-- cj | talk 14:50, 18 February 2006 (UTC)
I was not speaking about all Indonesia but West Papua which population and languages are culturally and linguistically considered as Papuan. Or may be their cousins from Papua New Guinea are not considered being oceanian ? If it's the case you should remove PNG from the list too. Nevers
Hawai'i, French polynesia, Tokelau... are not independant too, so, that's not the point. West Papua could belong to a future Southeast Asia portal as well (or may it already exists???). But I persist to think that West Papua has its full place too in a portal dedicated to Oceania. Don't make a fuss with "double or triple entries" (I don't know if it's the right expression in good english... anyway) that's the case for all oceanian countries and territories . Nevers
I am quite agree with you Tmac and I understand that boundaries are "somewhat arbitrary", but what are the criteria ? First thing to do would be to define them
- Political ? If it means only independant countries, it will seriously reduce the list.
- Members of the Pacific Islands Forum ? Guam, Northern Marianas, Hawai'i are not members. French polynesia, New Caledonia and East Timor are not full members but have the status of "observers".
- Members of the South Pacific Community ? I'm afraid that in this case, you should also include France, UK and USA which would not be very realistic
-Linguistic ? As far as the comparative methods are reliable there are three main language families in the Pacific area (austronesian, aboriginal, papuan). The problem is that Indonesian, Malagasy, and Tagalog are also Austronesian languages.
So in conclusion, if I had to arbitrary choose what is Oceania or not, ( a sort of mix of all these criteria) I would include West Papua and East Timor. Why not make a vote ?
I will add that some of you will probably think, that as a french speaker (I know my english is not really good) a "portal oceania" in an english wikipedia is not my business and i should better do it in the french wikipedia. You are right and if i had more time i would probably do it. The other issue is that i have noticed that when the english wikipedia doing an article or a portal, the other wikipedias generally follow the same model. So I try to be as efficient as i can, "lobbying" :) for West Papua as oceanian territory directly in the english version Nevers
We should link from the main portal page to all those Wikipedias in languages indigenous to the area. The ones I am aware of are
I'm unsure whether we should link to French language at fr:; it is the main language in several Pacific Island nations.
There is an approved proposal for a Tetum language version of Wikipedia, currently under test at m:test-wp/tet. Once that Wikipedia is setup, we should link to it as well.
Wikipedias in Gilbertese language and Cook Islands Maori are under consideration.
I've probably missed some. Please add them to the list.- gadfium 22:38, 15 February 2006 (UTC)
Following a suggestion from User:Davidcannon above, I'm planning a daily rotation between the various states which make up Oceania (I'll pad the articles on states with other geographical articles to make up 31). I've started preparing the writeups for these; see Portal:Oceania/Daily article. The writeups are only a draft; feel free to improve them or to swap in better pictures. In particular, I need a picture for Niue. Please try to keep the writeups about the same length as each other; it makes layout of the portal page so much easier.
I plan to have a selected article of the month as well. At this point, I'm not sure if I want to bother with a selected picture.- gadfium 08:26, 18 February 2006 (UTC)
The first draft of the daily rotation list is now complete. I padded out the 28 countries and territories with Melanesia, Polynesia and Micronesia, which I put in order of population, since the last will only appear on seven months of the year. I gave these three entries larger graphics, since the maps are even less useful at 100 pixels.
I need better pictures for Norfolk Island - the picture is of a Norfolk pine, but not one on the island, Tuvalu and Wallis and Futuna.- gadfium 23:59, 18 February 2006 (UTC)
This is a clever idea that they rotate automatically. Is this used on other portals? -- Astrokey44| talk 11:53, 7 March 2006 (UTC)
Here's a list of articles we could use for our monthly selected article. I'm not insisting that a selected article have a picture; if we have to we'll use the country's flag. A selected article candidate must be of reasonable length. I've tried to make a balance between different areas, topics and types of articles.
Please add more to the list, comment on the selection, and suggest alternate ordering.- gadfium 23:59, 18 February 2006 (UTC)
The queue can be seen at Portal:Oceania/Selected article.
The portal is up and running. Comments welcomed. Pitching in and helping welcomed even more.
At present, the "Associated Wikimedia" section isn't really working. Only Wikinews and Commons have an Oceania section, and Wikinews redirects that to the Oceania portal. Should we customise the section to only include relevant Wikimedia, or should we drop it entirely as we already link to Wikinews in the Current events section?
Anyone who can help with the "Other languages" section is welcome; I'd like the link to each language to consist of a few words in that language saying "Wikipedia in XXXese".
I'll get a Oceania in 2006 page set up in the next few days to serve as a permanent record of the Current Events section. I expect the Current Events will have more than a couple of items on it at one time, which will pose problems for the left-right column balance. We could change the widths of the columns to improve this situation, or add an extra box to the left-hand column (maybe a DYK), or move the "Other languages" box to the left-hand column (and put it back to a single column). I'd like some feedback on this.
Using the "Edit" button on the Selected article will at present give you the redirect page. This is an artifact of putting up the portal towards the end of the month, and the March selection being shown when the month is actually February. It should be right at the beginning of next month.- gadfium 05:14, 21 February 2006 (UTC)
How are we to decide what gets added to ITN? all it be all the news from Current Events in Austraila and New Zealand? or...... Brian | (Talk) 23:38, 21 February 2006 (UTC)
Any one reading this got any insight into what's happening in East Timor at present. I'm not sure what to make of [3] and [4].- gadfium 08:20, 27 February 2006 (UTC)
The portal has been live for a bit over a month. Our selected article has rolled over to the second topic. How are we doing so far? Is the news pane doing an adequate job? I haven't had a lot of other people contributing to the portal in the last month, so I'm posting to a vacuum so far. I've had limited time since the beginning of March to devote to this portal, but I might have more time in the second half of April. What should I concentrate on?- gadfium 06:35, 2 April 2006 (UTC)
Someone wants to delete Australasia as a heading from the territories table at Oceania. I'm mentioning it here to get some more eyeballs on the question. Discuss at Talk:Oceania if you're interested. · rodii · 20:07, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
I think we should leave East Timor in Southeast Asia where it does belong geographically anyway. But is it necessary to include it in the Oceania section? If so, then we should include Indonesia, Malaysia and the Philippines who are also linguistically and culturally related to the countries in Oceania. We should ask the East Timorese themselves if they wish to be included or not. Because many East Timorese I know resent being called a " Pacific" or "South Pacific" country because of the negative connotations associated with them, such as the violence and turmoil of the "failed states" of Solomon Islands and Vanuatu.
I think that East Timor should be in Oceania because these subportals are not How the countries are Geographically (They are to a degree) associated but also cultually and Politically. -- Gerrado 19:40, 1 September 2006 (UTC)
Oceania includes all of the Pacific Island excluding the overseas territories. If someone could, maybe include them on the portals? I have part of the list: Fiji
Nauri
Guam
Kiribati
Vanuatu
Solomon Islands
I've decided to start including a greater number of news items from Australia and New Zealand in this portals In the News section. This will help keep the news fresh.- gadfium 05:44, 10 March 2007 (UTC)
If you're committed to strong representation of Pacific/Oceanian cultures and languages in the Wikipedia Project, make sure to vote in support of a Rotuman Wikipedia here, that this great resource of Wikipedia may be used as a common rallying point, to disseminate information and to learn about our language and heritage. Noa'ia ma tae 'on ti'u! -- Mattbray 09:44, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
Unfortunately, Pacific Magazine has ceased publication. It was a valuable source of news stories (mostly republished) for Oceania. I use Radio New Zealand international and Radio Australia Pacific News, but would like pointers to other news services which publish regular bulletins online covering Oceania, rather than just a single nation in the region. Most news aggregators dealing with "oceania" are dominated by stories about Australia and New Zealand.- gadfium 05:36, 4 January 2009 (UTC)
I'm getting tired of maintaining this section. If anyone wants to take over, they're welcome. See the above section for a couple of links for sources to find stories. The main problem is that there are relatively few editors working on articles about Oceania, and even major news events such as changes of leadership for a country often do not result in updates to our articles or in articles written about the new leader.
If no one is interested in finding news stories and at least occasionally updating the news section, we could import news stories from Wikinews. This will have the downside that Wikinews' Oceania portal is largely dominated by Australian stories. Australia has the largest population by far of any country in Oceania, but it also has its own healthy portal on Wikipedia, and I have concentrated on news stories from places other than Australia and New Zealand here.
Another alternative is to remove the news section entirely. If I get no feedback here, this is what I will do.
I intend to continue maintaining the "Selected article" section.- gadfium 18:11, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
There is a navbox template for indigenous Oceanian culture, Template:Culture of Oceania, which currently does not add articles to which it is added to the Category:Oceanian culture. If that is desired, or automatically linking to any other category, would be an easy change. Open for suggestions! For reference, these pages now transclude the template. Newportm ( talk) 18:22, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
Hello, could someone working on this article Biodiversity of New Caledonia. It is very important in Paleobotany and evolution. 85.251.99.49 ( talk) 07:53, 25 March 2012 (UTC)
WikiProject Portals is back!
The project was rebooted and completely overhauled on April 17th, 2018. Its goals are to revitalize the entire portal system, make building and maintaining portals easier, support the ongoing improvement of portals and the editors dedicated to this, and design the portals of the future.
As of May 2nd, 2018, membership is at 60 editors, and growing. You are welcome to join us.
There are design initiatives for revitalizing the portals system as a whole, and for improving each component of portals. So far, 2 new dynamic components have been developed: Template:Transclude lead excerpt and Template:Transclude random excerpt.
Tools are provided for building and maintaining portals, including automated portals that update themselves in various ways.
And, if you are bored and would like something to occupy your mind, we have a wonderful task list.
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The following updates have been performed to the Oceania portal. North America 1000 01:27, 30 April 2020 (UTC)