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Change: Add the ability to customise colours for each border around the box.

Description: This is seen (by use of editing a copy of this template) on this page Portal:Canada/Wikiprojects/box-header/2 and uses a different coloured border for under the title. Also see Portal:Daddy Yankee/box-header/2 for another box-header that cannot be created from this template for the same reasons. I tried to accomplish this using this template, but from my testing, it is not at the moment possible. Dreamy Jazz ( talk) 15:04, 4 June 2018 (UTC) reply

@ Dreamy Jazz: This should already be possible by using |titleborder= for the title border colour, and |border= for other borders' colour, or all borders if |titleborder= isn't specified. (Though the documentation here could do with some improvement, I had to look at the source code to find that out) Evad37 [ talk 01:14, 5 June 2018 (UTC) reply

Here are some examples of the effects that can be achieved with these parameters - Evad37 [ talk 01:32, 5 June 2018 (UTC) reply

{{Box-header
| title=Foo
| noedit=yes
| titleborder=#ff0000
| border=#0000ff
}}
Bar
{{Box-footer}}

{{Box-header
| title=Foo
| noedit=yes
| titleborder=#ff0000
| border=#0000ff; border-top: 1px solid #ff0000
}}
Bar
{{Box-footer}}

{{Box-header
| title=Foo
| noedit=yes
| titleborder=#0000ff
| border=#0000ff; border-top: 1px solid #ff0000
}}
Bar
{{Box-footer}}

Thanks for the explanation. Dreamy Jazz ( talk) 07:23, 5 June 2018 (UTC) reply

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The line:

padding-top: {{{padding-top|.3em;}}}

needs to be changed to:

padding-top: {{{padding-top|.3em}}};

this ensures the semi-colon is always included. At the moment it not being included will cause errors when a custom padding-top is provided.

See example:

{{Box-header
| padding-top=1em
}}
{{Box-footer}}

produces in the source:

... padding-top: 1em-moz-border-radius: 0; ...

Thanks, Dreamy Jazz ( talk) 21:15, 5 June 2018 (UTC) reply

 Done Cabayi ( talk) 07:04, 6 June 2018 (UTC) reply

In this version of the Earth sciences portal, a couple of things aren't working. The edit link at the top of the box reads [{{fullurl:{{{2}}}|action=edit}} edit], and in the first news item there is the string {{convert|adj=on|2|-|5|m}}. RockMagnetist( talk) 15:18, 6 June 2018 (UTC) reply

@ RockMagnetist: One of the problems is fixed (the In the News section did not have an edit link). The other problem is best asked at the talk page for {{ Transclude selected current events}}, as this is the template that included the news onto the portal. Thanks Dreamy Jazz ^{talk | contribs} 20:44, 6 June 2018 (UTC) reply

The broken edit link is something to do with these edits by Evad37 ( talk · contribs). -- Redrose64 🌹 ( talk) 21:12, 6 June 2018 (UTC) reply

Nah, nothing to do with those edits, which were only to the numbered subpages of Template:Box-header (which in turn call Template:Box-header with specific style values). Portal:Earth sciences uses Portal:Earth sciences/box-header, which calls Box-header directly, not a numbered subpage. The problem came from this edit which added a {{/box header}} (which expands to {{Portal:Earth sciences/box-header}}) without a second parameter – so the {{{2}}} in Portal:Earth sciences/box-header became the literal text {{{2}}} which was then passed into Template:Box-header's |editpage= parameter. These 2 edits [1] [2] fixed it by allowing |noedit=yes to be passed on to Template:Box-header for portal components not using subpages - Evad37 [ talk 00:12, 7 June 2018 (UTC) reply

@ RockMagnetist: Fixed the {{Transclude selected current events}} template, or rather its module, which now properly expands any templates found in the items it transcludes - Evad37 [ talk 02:40, 7 June 2018 (UTC) reply

@ Evad37: Thanks for fixing the problems! RockMagnetist( talk) 04:19, 7 June 2018 (UTC) reply

Should this template be switched to use Module:Box-header (i.e. the code currently at Template:Box-header/lua)? It would take the same parameters and produce the same output, but would have the advantage of checking colour combinations for accessibility, per MOS:COLOUR, and reporting uses of inaccessible colours in Category:Box-header with insufficient title contrast and Category:Box-header with insufficient body contrast. It would also mean that this template and {{ Box-header colour}} would be using the same code, reducing redundancy and allowing any future improvements to be made to both templates. - Evad37 [ talk 07:19, 13 August 2018 (UTC) reply

 Done - Evad37 [ talk 04:34, 17 August 2018 (UTC) reply

I suggest that the magic words NOTOC and NOEDITSECTION are removed from output of this module to allow usage of the template on the pages, where table of contents and edit links are needed. For example: subpages of portals, like Portal:United Kingdom/Featured picture, and talk pages of portals. The overwhelming majority of usages of {{ Box-header}} are in portals, and to that end the magic words were added to template {{ Portal styles}}, which is transcluded to all portal pages via {{ Portal maintenance status}}. Ping wbm1058, who objected to this change. —⁠ andrybak ( talk) 12:57, 27 February 2021 (UTC) reply

See Template:Box-header § Behaviour options and the guidance just above the TOC at the top of this page. – wbm1058 ( talk) 14:28, 27 February 2021 (UTC) reply

Wbm1058, I suggest that these parameters are not needed at all and this functionality should be removed from the template. Presence of {{ Box-header}}, which produces a part of a page layout, should not affect the layout of the page as a whole. —⁠ andrybak ( talk) 15:47, 27 February 2021 (UTC) reply

Digging into the edit history, I found this discussion:

I don't know whether these concerns from 2006 are still valid, and if they are, whether there is a better work-around. Please make your proposed changes in Module:Box-header/sandbox so that they may be reviewed (which you didn't do in December, when these changes surprised me). I think it's likely other editors will be surprised too as this is longstanding behavior in a widely-used template, which you are proposing to change. – wbm1058 ( talk) 16:37, 27 February 2021 (UTC) reply

{{ Box-header}} is a decorative template for wrapping some content. It is usually used on portals to wrap a section of the page, like selected article, selected picture, etc. My argument is: because it is a part of the page, it should not affect the page-wide formatting. All portals already transclude the template {{ Portal styles}}, which adds __NOTOC____NOEDITSECTION__ to them.

Template {{ Box-header}} is also used on talk pages of portals in discussions of portal layouts. Affecting the layout of these pages is undesirable. But even without these usages on pages, that are not main portal pages, I claim that production of NOTOC and NOEDITSECTION is illogical for {{ Box-header}}.

The proposed change in the sandbox: Special:Diff/997693614/1046377628. The template is also fairly widely used for formatting of WikiProject pages – if the suggested change is applied, I'll check the formatting of WikiProject pages to make sure that WikiProjects that use {{ Box-header}} have the appropriate formatting of table of contents. —⁠ andrybak ( talk) 10:59, 25 September 2021 (UTC) reply

I'm not really a portal user; I noticed this change at Wikipedia:WikiProject Merge. Testing your sandbox version on that project page I saw a TOC where it was suppressed previously, and the "section 1" in the TOC has no heading – what is "section 1" and why is it there? OK I added NOTOC to that page, which is apparently redundant now but is needed if your sandbox goes live. Section editing isn't disabled on that page. wbm1058 ( talk) 15:25, 25 September 2021 (UTC) reply

@ Wbm1058: the "section 1" in the TOC has no heading – what is "section 1" and why is it there? – this is because on page Wikipedia:WikiProject Merge, the first usage of {{ Box-header}} has |title=[[File:PMG logo.svg|85px|WikiProject Merge]], and images are stripped away when generating a table of contents. —⁠ andrybak ( talk) 14:19, 27 September 2021 (UTC) reply