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Aren't the dots for the cities too big on this map? On the Syrian and Iraqi war maps, the cities are presented to be much smaller. GreyShark ( dibra) 07:10, 23 December 2014 (UTC)
Should we add some Gaddafi loyalists presence in Bani walid region ?If they do not control specific region,we could add a rural areapresence dot-- 94.66.176.141 ( talk) 17:57, 24 December 2014 (UTC)
Not only in Bani Walid region, because the sentence to death to Saif Al Islam Gaddafi causes several uprisings in different places:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d7D3AD04aJo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=djG1vhlIGNo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IK5c_VXDtfI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h52wEkm6leU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h52wEkm6leU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MproesQ8O6U
2054jp ( talk) 16:09, 11 August 2015 (UTC)
Jackmcbarn Greyshark09 can you add the border crossings. here Lindi29 ( talk) 22:22, 24 December 2014 (UTC)
Spenk01 can you add them. here Lindi29 ( talk) 20:47, 26 December 2014 (UTC)
Are we sure that Ajdabiya is HoR controlled? Because I read this piece of news about an Ansar al-Sharia leader who "was taken to Ajdabiya in the Al-Wahat district for treatment" . Why would they take him to hostile territory? They must have some presence in the area, don't they? Best regards -- 83.36.157.35 ( talk) 16:34, 27 December 2014 (UTC)
Can we get some more sources for Ansar al-Sharia presence in Ajdabiya? If not, I'd suggest reverting it to HOR control. Prepster ( talk) 11:21, 3 April 2015 (UTC)
Could we trust this souce? https://twitter.com/ArmchairArab/status/549509731984080896
He refers to the Petroleum Facility Guard of Ibrahim Jahdran, allied with Op. Dignity -- 83.36.157.35 ( talk) 17:08, 30 December 2014 (UTC)
is it worth adding powerplants to the map? http://enipedia.tudelft.nl/wiki/Libya/Powerplants Spenk01 ( talk) 19:07, 5 January 2015 (UTC)
If we can't get a reliable, no. I'd say yes if we know who controls. Else I don't have an opinion either way. John Smith the Gamer ( talk) 17:01, 3 January 2015 (UTC)
I'm not sure how to put this on the map, but IS have presence near Sabha according to this. Maybe as "rural presence" (like small black dots on the Syrian civil war map) GreyShark ( dibra) 17:56, 12 January 2015 (UTC)
I believe that the Tuareg are going to need theor own color,because they have different loyalties,and conflicting reports of whom they pledge allegiance. Alhanuty ( talk) 01:07, 17 January 2015 (UTC)
It seems there is a ceasefire between the government and the rebels. http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/01/16/us-libya-security-idUSKBN0KP0VL20150116
I think that the towns that are currently marked as contested should instead be marked under joint control, like those on the Syria map, with a ring in the center. This will reflect the situation on the ground. Can this be done, please? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:0:b200:f7d9:6882:3e9c:f365:fef4 ( talk • contribs) 22:44, 17 January 2015 UTC
Three concentric circles is normally used for a stable situation, I assume this is what you mean? John Smith the Gamer ( talk) 12:56, 18 January 2015 (UTC)
(OP) Yes. That is what I mean. The current map gives the impression that those towns are still being fought over, but I think marking them as being under joint control more accurately reflects the situation on the ground.
(OP) http://www.libyaherald.com/2015/01/18/lna-announces-ceasefire-but-fight-against-terrorists-excluded/ Also, the agreement excludes Ansar al-Sharia and ISIS, so no concentric circles there. Update, please.
It is suggested by GNC to host the nigotations https://twitter.com/fahdrad/status/553902728460894208?s=09
Why does the map say that ISIL controls the rural region near Sabha? None of the sources mention this. All of our sources mention them being in control of Derna. Please remove them from the Sabha area, please. Anasaitis ( talk) 00:09, 3 February 2015 (UTC)
Spenk01 Why did you change the joint controll icons without consensus?,Also this is a bad icon beacause it's showing bin jawad contorlled by the Regime in the west and GNC in the east which is wrong. Lindi29 ( talk) 17:20, 17 February 2015 (UTC)
According to the source below which was used to add ISIS presence near Sidra, Sidra 'which houses the largest oil terminal' is under Libyan dawn control; Is this reason enough to change Sidra oil facility to green? http://www.worldtribune.com/2015/02/13/isil-convoys-hundreds-fighters-advance-libyan-oil-port/
Sirt under control by Islamic State. Al Wasat Hanibal911 ( talk) 17:42, 19 February 2015 (UTC)
@ Hanibal911: you changed the color to black (ISIL) in accordance with foxnews. However, when reading the source it says "More than a dozen Islamic State fighters from Iraq and Syria -- some with direct ties to the group's leader Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi" and later "An ISIS presence has been flagged in Benghazi, Derna and Sirte", which implies there are few ISIL operatives present there, but this is way far from holding the city (or part of it). In fact the source says presence of Ansar al-Sharia in Benghazi is dominant "Libya is not only a safe haven for ISIS but at least six other terror groups, including Ansar al-Sharia, which paraded police vehicles through Benghazi last month." This source from March 4 is specifically talking about ISIS-Army clashes, but i'm not sure of its reliability; Yahoo report from today is talking about Ansar al-Sharia in Benghazi in present sense; it also says that in Benghazi there is Libya Dawn fighting against Dignity coalition, so it seems three parties are present there with marginal ISIL (if at all). GreyShark ( dibra) 17:16, 7 March 2015 (UTC)
I think Ansar Al-Sharia officially joined ISIS so their dots should change to black. http://shoebat.com/2015/02/17/islamic-terrorists-attacked-benghazi-officially-join-isis-ansar-al-sharia-isis/
Aljazera reported that Nofalyah is recaptured by Libya Dawn but I can't find it in their site. Here is another source http://www.babnet.net/mobile/festivaldetail.php?id=102050 3bdulelah ( talk) 12:37, 21 March 2015 (UTC)
http://www.al-monitor.com/pulse/security/2015/03/yemen-is-alqaeda-spring-saudi-arabia-decisive-storm.html Nofaliyah under IS control Tgoll774 ( talk) 23:01, 19 April 2015 (UTC)
https://pietervanostaeyen.files.wordpress.com/2015/04/2000px-libya2.png more supporting evidence Tgoll774 ( talk) 17:55, 20 April 2015 (UTC)
A lot of cities are consdered under Tobruk government by default.
Ghadames: I could not find a source on who is controling the city?
Ghat: most likley the city is under locals control (not allied with any side) but the airport is controled by Libya dawn according to
this source
Kufra: I could not find a source on who is controling the city (Most likely local tribes)
I think Hanibal911 can help us with that 3bdulelah ( talk) 18:35, 22 March 2015 (UTC)
Whats the point of putting dam icons on the map if they dont show control of any side? -- HC PUNXKID 17:41, 26 March 2015 (UTC)
I can't find mainstream RS apart from the one cited saying that Ansar al-Sharia pledged allegiance to ISIS. It seems that only a certain Abu Abdullah al-Libi, which SITE describes as "general Shariah jurist for Ansar al-Shariah in Libya" (not even its leader), pledged allegiance. This doesn't mean that the group as a whole did. Nykterinos ( talk) 13:13, 2 April 2015 (UTC)
Tawergha is a ghost town. How can either side control it? It's marked as Green but I suggest removing it unless a source is provided for either a return of the population to the town proper (rather than refugee camps near the town) or maybe a large factional militia build-up (again inside the town rather than near it). Prepster ( talk) 22:46, 4 April 2015 (UTC)
If the town is not going to be removed (in spite of no one providing a source for the town being repopulated after it was ethnically cleansed and depopulated in 2011) then can we at least change Tawergha to blue. Unless there is a source for Libya Dawn/Tripoli government/green dot presence in this town, which there does not seem to be (which may have to do with my suspicion, confirmed by Tawergha's own Wikipedia page that it is a ghost town and therefore uninhabited. If I cannot remove the town (because my edits have been reverted) then would I or someone else at least be allowed to change it to Blue to make up for the lack of a source connecting it to Libya Dawn? Prepster ( talk) 22:47, 22 April 2015 (UTC)
Why is Nofaliya still marked as under ISIS control? I changed the colour to green, but my edits were reverted. The latest source I know of (19 March) mentioned that it is under GNC control. See [2] -- Xwejnusgozo ( talk) 15:48, 21 April 2015 (UTC)
It is because Ethiopian and Eritrean Christians were beheaded in Wilayat Fazzan. Well, in this module, there was a rural presence of the Islamic State but some guy changed it's colour from black to green. I think it's colour should be reverted to black. -- 햄빵이 ( talk) 08:55, 23 April 2015 (UTC)
Comment: - According to
this IHS Jane's 360 article (28 May 2015), IS still has presence in Sabha. Regards,--
HC
PUNXKID
22:51, 10 June 2015 (UTC)
Well I thought they could be shown just red. Are they independent from Tobruk? -- 햄방이 ( talk) 16:34, 23 April 2015 (UTC)
Comment: - Agree with editors above, if we maintain a different colour for Toureg forces, we must also add another colour for Tebou forces, as both seem to operate quasi-independently. --
HC
PUNXKID
14:29, 10 June 2015 (UTC)
Thomas van Linge is a biased 18 year old with biases all over the place. He never reveals what his sources are and is often found making extremely novice mistakes, more noticeable in his Syria and Iraq maps than in his Libya map, such as including factions that are almost irrelevant because of his personal biases (examples: JRTN with "Sunni insurgents" in Iraq, Syrian Resistance with the Syrian government, various FSA groupings with the Syrian rebels) and colouring entirely unhabited land at his own whim.
I request that all changes made solely because of his map be reverted unless otherwise proven with reliable sources or common sense/circumstantial evidence. It is NOT common sense to have ZERO Jihadi presence in the Fezzan region when both IS and Ansar al-Sharia have attacked military and civilian targets in the area, some of which we can clearly place. It is NOT common sense to ask for sources that prove villages between Dawn area of control X and Dawn area of control Y are held by Dawn. Nspwk ( talk) 13:05, 11 May 2015 (UTC)
I agree he doesn't base his maps upon facts but rather on sources he considers legit which are actually biased sources. Even though i've also used this map as source i think we should not be using it here from now on. Spenk01 ( talk) 21:16, 29 May 2015 (UTC)
I saw that some user added the Ghardabiya reservoirs of the Man-made river as IS-held. Dont have any problem with that, but if we include that reservoirs we must also add the other Man-made river reservoirs (Ajdabiya, Omar Mukhtar Benghazi's reservoirs) and other infrastructure (well fields or pipe production plants, for example). -- HC PUNXKID 14:36, 10 June 2015 (UTC)
There is a clear fault in the map regarding the Libyan Ansar al-Sharia - the group is still a part of the Benghazi Mujahedeen Council and the Darna Mujahedeen Council, despite the allegiance of some of its operatives to ISIL. This basically means that both Abu Salim Brigade and Ansar al-Sharia belong to the same group of al-Qaeda affiliated Jihadists, who oppose ISIL. I fix this issue on the map, making Benghazhi and Mreisa into grey color of the al-Qaeda, instead of ISIL black. GreyShark ( dibra) 06:46, 14 June 2015 (UTC)
There are a few troubling errors with the map. First, Derna has just recently been cleansed of ISIS by pro-Tripoli military council, so it should be a green dot. Second, I'm pretty sure that Tawergha (and especially its coastline) is controlled by Misratan Forces so it should also be green (only Bani Walid and its surroundings should be blue). Third, is Ajdabiya really still contested? I thought Haftar loyalists secured it. Fourth, Benghazi is contested by ALL factions in the war (Tripoli-loyalists, Haftar-loyalists, and ISIS/Ansar Sharia), not just between Haftar and ISIS as shown by current map. Finally, are Zaltan and al-Maya really controlled by Haftar loyalists? Because last I checked, the road from Tripoli to Tunisia is open and secured by Tripoli-loyalists. If I am wrong in any way, please let me know, but I hope my concerns lead to a better map. Moester101 ( talk) 00:42, 17 June 2015 (UTC)
Derna has just recently been cleansed of ISIS by pro-Tripoli military council, so it should be a green dot.
Second, I'm pretty sure that Tawergha (and especially its coastline) is controlled by Misratan Forces so it should also be green.
Third, is Ajdabiya really still contested? I thought Haftar loyalists secured it.
Fourth, Benghazi is contested by ALL factions in the war (Tripoli-loyalists, Haftar-loyalists, and ISIS/Ansar Sharia), not just between Haftar and ISIS as shown by current map.
Finally, are Zaltan and al-Maya really controlled by Haftar loyalists? Because last I checked, the road from Tripoli to Tunisia is open and secured by Tripoli-loyalists.
Forgive my lack of technical understanding...but how do I see the history of actual map edits (i.e. additions of towns and changes of color)? GeoEvan ( talk) 01:37, 18 August 2015 (UTC)
It is clear that Benghazi is a complicated issue to be depicted on the map, however current "Haftar vs. ISIS" is certainly only a partial picture. In addition to the presence of Haftar's forces (red) and ISIS (black), the city still has "parts" controlled by the Benghazi Shura Council of Revolutionaries [5] (grey). Shura Council itself is fractured - the major component is Ansar al-Sharia, who have disputes with other members of the council; nevertheless, Shura members are all non-aligned with ISIL at this point. GreyShark ( dibra) 10:19, 29 September 2015 (UTC)
Who's the genius that just deleted almost the entire map?! Do you have any idea how much work you just destroyed?! The entire accompanying page to this one has been deleted! Anasaitis ( talk) 23:29, 30 September 2015 (UTC)
Thankfully, I was able to restore the map. It appears that whoever did this wasn't a user. Could someone please recommend that their IP address be banned? Anasaitis ( talk) 23:34, 30 September 2015 (UTC)
derna is contested between IS and abu salim brigade which the map shows but their is a red dot under it which needs removing
IS has seized Bin Jawad and unsuccessfully attacked Sidra port west of Ras Lunuf - could replace Sidra icon with a contested symbol because they're not done with the attack, just temporarily repelled
Bin Jawad dot should be black in any event, source code indicates that it should be displaying as black but isn't for some reason (?)
Edit - ^ these have been updated, maybe my browser was displaying an old version of the page before... it looks right now, thanks to whoever fixed it
PutItOnAMap ( talk) 18:04, 6 January 2016 (UTC) [6] This source reports that IS now controls Bin Jawad. PutItOnAMap ( talk) 18:04, 6 January 2016 (UTC)
I would usually agree, but most sources either say "IS claimed to have taken Bin Jawad" or "IS has taken Bin Jawad", with the latter being more prevalent IMO. It is also notable that there is no denial of the claim by the media or any of the other main rival factions in Libya. I agree that we should not scaremonger by exaggerating IS control, but its presence should not be understated either. It launched an attack from what were probably positions in Bin Jawad on Sidra on Monday, and then again on Tuesday. It is contesting a place to the right of Bin Jawad, from which forces were most likely brought in to fight. Moreover, airstrikes were conducted in Bin Jawad and its vicinity, indicating IS control. [7] I think this is the most recent reliable source mentioning Bin Jawad, and it clearly states that IS controls the town. In the absence of denial and with an IS claim, much of the media and the military situation indicating it, I think we should leave Bin Jawad as IS controlled for now. PutItOnAMap ( talk) 18:17, 7 January 2016 (UTC)
I agree with you that the PFG have denied it and I'm sorry for not noticing that earlier. As for [11] it does really not make it clear if they mean the outskirts to the east of Bin Jawad (i.e. their coastal control has been pushed back to its edge) or the west (i.e. they have been driven out of the town). Either way, libyaherald which is a pro-Haftar (and thus pro-PFG) source, confirmed that IS controls Bin Jawad, and its confirmation came a day after the PFG's denial of IS control in Bin Jawad. Moreover, a day after the PFG made its claim about Bin Jawad, IS attacked their positions in Sidra, which could probably only have been done if they controlled - or at least controlled enough to get their forces through - Bin Jawad. Airstrikes have been conducted on Bin Jawad since the PFG's claim was made by the Haftar government, which would only have been done if IS had positions in Bin Jawad. PutItOnAMap ( talk) 19:06, 7 January 2016 (UTC)
For the avoidance of doubt: [12] I think this confirms it. PutItOnAMap ( talk) 12:46, 8 January 2016 (UTC)
Head of the Ajdabiya Shura Council has pledged allegiance to Abu Bakr, making his group a brand-new ISIS affiliate
I'm looking for a better source but given the scarcity of reporting in Libya it's unlikely - if this source is deemed ok or the story is corroborated elsewhere, I'm recommending that the current marking for Ajdabiya be changed to reflect this news
As usually, on module maps usually use like for example, "lat = 'xxxxx'". But, this map is not. I have been recently doing that, however i give up because it is large and long in order to add these all. Someone maybe help me to add these marks because to in order to make this like other module maps. If not i will do these myself. -- SMB99thx XD ( contribs) 11:37, 27 January 2016 (UTC)
Hello, I just saw on this map, that the town of Maradah south of El Agheila is contested between the Tripoli-based government and Daesh. But all I could find about this topic is that there was an attack on a turkish company building a road near Maradah in January and shortly later a direct attack on the city. ( http://www.reuters.com/article/us-libya-security-idUSKCN0US27G20160114) ( http://www.almasdarnews.com/article/isis-attacks-the-maradah-oil-fields-in-northern-libya/)
So, what's the situation there now? I doubt that Daesh is still there. And is the town really in the hands of the Tripoli-based government?-- Ermanarich ( talk) 21:24, 22 March 2016 (UTC)
Shouldn't GNA presence be marked with some other color? Both, Tripoli based and Tobruk based governments do not cooperate with GNA so it shouldn't be marked with green or red.
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I agree. The GNA ought to be marked in the map.
-- Patronus95 ( talk) 10:30, 4 April 2016 (UTC)
@ PutItOnAMap, SvEcHpInXID, Lacertilia the Magnificent: So what is the situation in Libya now? The Government of National Accord (GNA) is actually not yet represented on this map, even if there is a couple of militias and cities which declared their support for it (and if I remember it right, the GNC also declared its support). Are these two colours (red and green) still actual or how does it look exactly? However, the important point is that we need to include the recent changes in the map.-- Ermanarich ( talk) 21:23, 18 April 2016 (UTC)
As the GNC has collapsed, it might be a good idea to pledge all its forces to the GNA. However, we suffer from poor information. There are many militias, some of which have not declared their support for the GNA openly. None of them are fighting against the GNA, and many of them share control of several settlements with pro-GNA militias. But the security situation in Libya is, and will be for quite some time, incredibly uncertain.
I propose we change GNC-backed forces to GNA ones, and when instances of non-cooperation/rebellion occur, we mark them in as old GNC-aligned forces, or possibly local forces. PutItOnAMap ( talk) 09:14, 19 April 2016 (UTC)
I agree with changing the GNC-backed forces to GNA ones and marking instances of local non-cooperation. With the entry of the Presidential Council into Tripoli, the dissolution of the GNC, and the creation of the State Council, the NSG (the former Tripoli government) is essentially irrelevant. Some of the militias that supported the NSG government still have problems with the Presidential Council (Badi, LROR), but these forces do not form a cohesive anti-GNA bloc.
I very much support the idea of representing the GNA on the map. Some of the territory marked as under the control of the Tobruk-based government is now supportive of the GNA. This is the case with Jathran's zone of influence, as well as some southern cities. Lacertilia the Magnificent ( talk) 22:29, 20 April 2016 (UTC)
Fine. I changed the description after our discussion. In the next time we should look which of the militias in the area which is now still red supports the GNA. Tuareg and Tabu militias for example declared their support: http://www.libya-businessnews.com/2015/10/27/tuaregs-announce-support-for-serraj-govt/ http://libyaprospect.com/index.php/2016/04/04/tabu-and-tuareg-announce-their-support-for-gna/ It's just the question which areas are controlled by Tebu militias.-- Ermanarich ( talk) 22:20, 23 April 2016 (UTC)
The fundamental problem here is that some towns are controlled by multiple militias, some of which are not pro-GNA and some of which are, so joint control will have to be used, although it may not be very representative as anti-GNA militias are likely to be in the minority in some towns, and pro-GNA militias will probably be in the minority in others, leading to one icon not being very representative of the actual situation on the ground.
Our solution is not ideal, but it will have to do for now until we can think of a better one. PutItOnAMap ( talk) 09:46, 4 May 2016 (UTC)
Would it be a good idea to mark the PFG in their own colour but note that they are GNA-aligned in the map legend? (And should the same apply to Tuareg and Tebu militias)? This would be to better represent the political situation on the ground. PutItOnAMap ( talk) 08:31, 5 May 2016 (UTC)
PFG=Petroleum Facilities Guard? I think that it sounds good, but do we have colours left to use? Especially if you want to add Tebu militias too, that could become very difficult.-- Ermanarich ( talk) 11:38, 5 May 2016 (UTC)
I totally support PutItOnAMap's Solution, the PFG may acknowledge the Unity Gov. , but it certainly does not acknowledge the GNC, in fact, the two made heavy clashes near sirte before the latter was taken by ISIS.
another reason to have a PFG Colour is it's de-facto alliance with the Tobruk-led LNA (Libyan National Army), the LNA currently has significant forces heading towards sirte from Ras Lanuf (PFG Controlled)
I also suggest having a separate color for the GNC if possible, they are certainly not allies nor do they acknowledge each other. Shaltut ( talk) 18:39, 5 May 2016 (UTC)
Do we still need the category of Misrata District local tribal milita forces? Depending on whether that has become obsolete, we could assign the color for that category to the PFG. Lacertilia the Magnificent ( talk) 16:59, 5 May 2016 (UTC)
We will have to create new icons. There is no orange airport icon, so I've had to use dark green in Bani Walid for now. Also, there is no joint control brown/purple with yellow, so we cannot represent Tebu militias separately yet. PutItOnAMap ( talk) 19:28, 5 May 2016 (UTC)
File:Map-ctl2-red+marroon.svg, File:Fighter-jet-orange-icon.svg-- Ermanarich ( talk) 20:02, 5 May 2016 (UTC)
Thank you, I'll change it accordingly. I think the Tebu should have their own colour if the Tuareg do, because they play a key role in this conflict. PutItOnAMap ( talk) 20:46, 5 May 2016 (UTC)
Hm, I'm still not very happy with how it looks now. Wouldn't it be better to simply take one colour for forces that are not in favour of a special government? maybe we should simply take blue for the PFG and other neutral, non-alligned forces...-- Ermanarich ( talk) 17:28, 15 May 2016 (UTC)
I have added a detailed map for the conflict in Benghazi, similar to the ones in Aleppo, Daraa, Deir Ezzor, etc. To my fellow editors: please make suggestions/recommendations/improvements/feedback in general with regards to it. Thanks for your time. PutItOnAMap ( talk) 23:03, 23 April 2016 (UTC)
Super, thanks for creating it! Shall we maybe make a .svg-file instead? Oh, and are you sure that Daesh holds the territory and not the Shura council of Benghazi? Because the last one should be white according to the map's legend.-- Ermanarich ( talk) 15:03, 24 April 2016 (UTC)
It's a pleasure.
I could change it to .svg file, I suppose. As for the map itself, Sabri and Suq al-Hout are IS held. The other jihadi area is a mix between IS and shura, and I tried to show that by shading lines, but the shura lines appear to have been shaded in a much thinner colour than the IS ones - therefore, I'll need to edit them to be wider so it's clear that they're also holding that area, too.
I'm also going to make a similar map for Derna as soon as I can. The LNA hold Al Fataeh and District 400, and the Shura hold the rest, right? PutItOnAMap ( talk) 17:59, 24 April 2016 (UTC)
Ok, thanks for the information. I already started to create a .svg map before you answered, that was a bit dumb. Now I only need to work on the territory held by the Tobruk-based government. I hope that our works don't overlap already.
As for the situation in Derna, the creation of a map really sounds good. This may not be the right place here, but maybe a creation of a map of Ta'iz in Yemen would be good, if we have enough informations.-- Ermanarich ( talk) 19:05, 24 April 2016 (UTC)
Finished the map and uploaded it with the name Benghazi Conflict Detailed Map.svg, but there are some problems with the visibility.-- Ermanarich ( talk) 21:13, 24 April 2016 (UTC)
Thank you, it's much better, although it does not show the Shura forces in their own colour - IS and Shura seem to share the same colour in this new map. Also, if I'm not mistaken, the Shura and IS forces are still present in parts of Gwarsha. Also, I think they're not in control of Alfakat either, although I can't quite remember which source I read that in. I can try to find it, though.
Ta'izz is an issue, I really want to do it but I expect it will just be reverted out due to disagreements. People tend to disagree massively on which sources are reliable or not in the Yemeni module, so they would dispute whatever source anyone used to create such a map. I'll make the Derna map soon.
How did you get the part of the map with detailed roads for Gwarsha, Garyounis, etc? I couldn't find that map of Benghazi on english wikimedia, only a detailed map for the inner city. PutItOnAMap ( talk) 21:28, 24 April 2016 (UTC)
I downloaded the map from www.openstreetmap.org. There you have to click on "share" (it looks like the symbol for "share" in the Wikimedia media viewer). There you have to choose your format, either PNG or SVG. Furthermore you can make an excerpt, and then you can download it.
Sadly I'm not as familiar with the situation in Benghazi as you are, I made the map after your map. But it's not very difficult to add new colours to represent the Shura militias on the map.
And well, for the Yemen map it's true. Very unnecessary edit-war there, even though a Ta'izz map would be severally a good thing, since the city is heavily contested.-- Ermanarich ( talk) 22:28, 24 April 2016 (UTC)
Thank you for teling me about openstreetmap. I'll change the Benghazi map with that shortly. I was incorrect about Afakat by the way and will just change the map to show the Shura. PutItOnAMap ( talk) 09:31, 26 April 2016 (UTC)
I am adding in the Derna map now. Feedback for that, too, would be more than welcome. PutItOnAMap ( talk) 20:23, 26 April 2016 (UTC) 20:23, 26 April 2016 (UTC) 20:20, 26 April 2016 (UTC)
Yes, I do need to edit the red to make it stronger (without making the grey so dark it could be confused for IS, which was the main reason why I made the Shura colour light grey). I will also draw a black line between the LNA and MSC frontlines. Thank you! PutItOnAMap ( talk) 17:44, 27 April 2016 (UTC)
I have now updated the Derna map. It's a bit messier than before, but the colours are much clearer. Is it better now? PutItOnAMap ( talk) 09:02, 28 April 2016 (UTC)
Well, I don't want to be the grumbler all the time. The differences are now definitely clearer than before, but I'd actually prefer uniformed maps with one continuous design like it's the case with the maps used in the Syrian Civil War map. However, the maps are really helpful. Thank you so far!-- Ermanarich ( talk) 17:03, 30 April 2016 (UTC)
Wonderful Map, I live in Benghazi and can confirm this is accurate, i will inform you of any update from here. Shaltut ( talk) 18:42, 5 May 2016 (UTC)
Hello mappers,
I discorvered a great source on Daesh activities, majorily for the situation in Iraq but also for the changes in Syria and Libya: http://www.daeshdaily.com/2016/05/ Ermanarich ( talk) 15:20, 7 May 2016 (UTC)
Fezzan Libya Media Group is denying ISIS captured Zella, Jufra, and other towns in southern Libya. here I'll continue to monitor the situation. Its my understanding that Zella was one of the staging areas for Sirte, depending on how many troops were deployed there I find it hard to believe ISIS took over that location. Although its possible the LNA pulled out. Conflictnews ( talk) 17:49, 7 May 2016 (UTC)
LNA secures Zella (Zalah) hereand claim they captured Jufra and Jufra Airbase according to article here Fezzan Libya Media Group also suggests LNA control al Jufra here Conflictnews ( talk) 14:04, 8 May 2016 (UTC)
Can someone check if the situation of Ajdabiya is right ??? Last I checked it has been and still is under the Libyan Army Control since February of this year!!! you can check it on [16] & [17] MohamedAhtash ( talk) (19:16), 31st May 2016 (UTC)
On Monday the Petroleum Facilities Guard (PFG) had taken control of the town east of Sirte (Ben Jawad) and on the 31st of May it had been confirmed that they had also taken control of Nawfiliyah about 130 Km east of Sirte, getting ever closer to Sirte. [18] MohamedAhtash ( talk) (19:23) May 31st 2016 (UTC)
I suggest marking areas under the control of the Petroleum Facilities Guard with green dots as they declared support for the Government of National Accord. http://libyaprospect.com/index.php/2016/03/31/petroleum-guards-ready-to-work-under-gna-authority/ 3bdulelah ( talk) 21:08, 15 June 2016 (UTC)
I strongly agree! If they support the GNA, they should be shown in green. The map should be as easy to read as possible. Bigles, LightandDark2000, SvEcHpInXID, what do you think?
Oh, and if we do it, neutral and tribal forces could get the blue colour again, it's a better contrast to the yellow of the Tuareg.-- Ermanarich ( talk) 18:45, 2 June 2016 (UTC)
I agree because the Petroleum Facilities Guard definite itself as a force of the GNA.-- Bigles ( talk) 19:03, 2 June 2016 (UTC)
I Agree!SvEcHpInXID ( talk) 19:46, 2 June 2016 (UTC)
Most libyan sources says that the pro-GNA forces has completely captured Harawa. [19] - [20] - [21] -- LibyaDragoon ( talk) 17:10, 9 June 2016 (UTC)
Again the map needs to be updated, as Ajdaiya is not under the control of the GNA rather its under the LNA since the start of the year. [22] [23] & [24] MohamedAhtash ( talk) (13:52), 19th June 2016 (UTC)
Southern Ajdabiya was captured by Bengazi Defence Battalions (Shura Council) 3bdulelah ( talk) 06:33, 22 June 2016 (UTC)
There should be sources when claiming that Ajdabiya is under the LNA's opponents' contorl, I'm from Libya and know that Ajdabiya is under control of the LNA and is mentioned on a number of loacl news sources and Arab News channels. The Benghazi Defence Battalion (Shura Council) that your talking about controlled areas south of Ajdabiya not even the entire town, and have been subsequently pushed out of south of the town. [ [25]] [ [26]] [ [27]] [ [28]] MohamedAhtash ( talk) (15:41), 25th June 2016 (UTC)
We need to have colored anchor symbols for both Koms and Derna Naval Stations. We need a green one for Koms and a grey one for Derna. We already have a red one created for the base in Tripoli. Since we already have ISIS color-coded black, some people might mistake the black anchor symbol for ISIS controlled naval bases, so color coding is necessary to avoid confusion. I'd do it myself, but it won't work on my device for some reason, and I'm not particularly familiar with the process of creating such symbols anyway. Anasaitis ( talk) 22:31, 25 June 2016 (UTC)
Somewhere in Template:Libyan Civil War detailed map, there is a link to Magid - which is a DAB page containing no placenames. Narky Blert ( talk) 15:34, 7 February 2017 (UTC)
I think Ghadames Military Council declared allegiance to LNA https://twitter.com/tomfeneux/status/837035134603956224
Also I thought Taminhint Air Base was under the control of the LNA after Misrata's 3rd Force withdrew? Militaryconflict ( talk) 15:15, 2 March 2017 (UTC)
Somewhere in Template:Libyan Civil War detailed map there is a link to Ora, which is a DAB page. Links to DAB pages are generally unhelpful, and in this instance I can see no relevant entry at all. Could someone who knows their way around this template and topic help resolve this problem? Narky Blert ( talk) 21:35, 5 March 2017 (UTC)
since when Gharyan is under LNA control. Alhanuty ( talk) 17:05, 2 April 2017 (UTC)
Okay, this map is pretty wrong so I am going to do few changes and description box wouldnt allow me to present all sources
a, Ghariyan is pro-GNC city where GNC MoI and other institutions operate per [30]
b, Ghadames local militia command declared loyalty to Khalifa Haftar LNA per [31]
c, Tawergha has no local forces as locals even 6 years later have not been able to come back. Its under Misrata militias control per [32]
d, I dont understand this "Tuareg forces" moniker. There are local forces basically everywhere, some who are actually loyal and some who are loyal on paper to one side or another. While Ali Kana, who now control Sharara field, claims to be outside of jurisdiction of all, Ghat munincipality recogined GNA.
e, I think we should switch Sabha to local forces. Sabha is currently controlled by multitode of militias, generally devided based on tribe, neighbourhood and so on. Many militias used to be "formally" under 3rd force but in reality under no one but itself. Most of them now switched loyalty to Bin Nayel LNA 12th brigade, such as 116th brigade headed by Abou Jaoud which did this [33] when it took over camp of so-called "Libyan National Guard" that is loyal to Ghwell. For that I will switch it to half-LNA / half-local pin but feel free to change it if you have better sources, or discuss it here
f, I will remove GNA presence in Sabha district because all sources were clear that 3rd moved to Jufrah region from Tamanhinht airbase during evacuation.
e, I am switching al-Zahrah and Sacha oil fields to Haftar pin because of WP:COMMONSENSE as there are no sources that would say they are under Ibrahim Jathran.
f, and this is big one that I think many will disagree with. I am switching Misrata from pro-GNA to pro-GNC because of recent Misrata military council declaration of loyalty to GNC and Ghwell per [34] I understand that civic munincipality still de iure falls under GNC, however this map deals with actual, military power-breakers on the ground which in this case is certainly Misrati military council and not munincipality which takes cares of parks and water and whatnot.
Feel free to discuss EllsworthSK ( talk) 20:10, 27 May 2017 (UTC)
I also think Misrata should be GNC, Salah Baadi is Misrata's most powerful militia Leader, and he is the one who invaded Tripoli and burned it's Airport a few years back, he was recently defeated in Tripoli and has since withdrawn. AngryCyrenaican ( talk) 17:40, 9 July 2017 (UTC)
I don't think GNC controls any areas any longer, all the western Libyan municipalities already recognize GNA, and even if there some militias who reject Sarraj the majority don't.
I agree about the Tuareg forces though, I think it's time they removed from the map and changed to pro-GNA (Ghat) and LNA (Ghdames).
As for Kikla and Yefran they should be either controlled by local forces or GNA as I'm pretty sure they aren't controlled by LNA, there is no source that says this and most Amazigh towns reject Heftar. LIBYAĐRA☪OON: 10:45, 15 October 2017 (UTC)
This map wasn't updated for sometime so i made several changes to reflect latest changes on the ground, some of those changes (like removing tuareg forces and replacing them with GNA) was already discussed in this talk page. If there any objections or questions about those changes please say them here. thanks
My changes basically are:
-- LIBYAĐRA☪OON: 08:01, 10 February 2018 (UTC)
I have written this in a haste, so tell me if there something wrong. Thanks :) -- LIBYAĐRA☪OON: 03:53, 19 February 2018 (UTC)
I made both Tawergha and Bani Walid GNA controlled, refrences:
-- LIBYAĐRA☪OON: 08:15, 6 June 2018 (UTC)
I think the history of the file is corrupted. The latest one on the list is from August 23 2016. The old versions that work display the same thing as the newest version. A lot of other revisions don't work properly.
There are several mistakes in the map,i urge fellow editors to fix the mistakes. Alhanuty ( talk) 18:18, 29 November 2020 (UTC)
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Aren't the dots for the cities too big on this map? On the Syrian and Iraqi war maps, the cities are presented to be much smaller. GreyShark ( dibra) 07:10, 23 December 2014 (UTC)
Should we add some Gaddafi loyalists presence in Bani walid region ?If they do not control specific region,we could add a rural areapresence dot-- 94.66.176.141 ( talk) 17:57, 24 December 2014 (UTC)
Not only in Bani Walid region, because the sentence to death to Saif Al Islam Gaddafi causes several uprisings in different places:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d7D3AD04aJo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=djG1vhlIGNo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IK5c_VXDtfI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h52wEkm6leU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h52wEkm6leU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MproesQ8O6U
2054jp ( talk) 16:09, 11 August 2015 (UTC)
Jackmcbarn Greyshark09 can you add the border crossings. here Lindi29 ( talk) 22:22, 24 December 2014 (UTC)
Spenk01 can you add them. here Lindi29 ( talk) 20:47, 26 December 2014 (UTC)
Are we sure that Ajdabiya is HoR controlled? Because I read this piece of news about an Ansar al-Sharia leader who "was taken to Ajdabiya in the Al-Wahat district for treatment" . Why would they take him to hostile territory? They must have some presence in the area, don't they? Best regards -- 83.36.157.35 ( talk) 16:34, 27 December 2014 (UTC)
Can we get some more sources for Ansar al-Sharia presence in Ajdabiya? If not, I'd suggest reverting it to HOR control. Prepster ( talk) 11:21, 3 April 2015 (UTC)
Could we trust this souce? https://twitter.com/ArmchairArab/status/549509731984080896
He refers to the Petroleum Facility Guard of Ibrahim Jahdran, allied with Op. Dignity -- 83.36.157.35 ( talk) 17:08, 30 December 2014 (UTC)
is it worth adding powerplants to the map? http://enipedia.tudelft.nl/wiki/Libya/Powerplants Spenk01 ( talk) 19:07, 5 January 2015 (UTC)
If we can't get a reliable, no. I'd say yes if we know who controls. Else I don't have an opinion either way. John Smith the Gamer ( talk) 17:01, 3 January 2015 (UTC)
I'm not sure how to put this on the map, but IS have presence near Sabha according to this. Maybe as "rural presence" (like small black dots on the Syrian civil war map) GreyShark ( dibra) 17:56, 12 January 2015 (UTC)
I believe that the Tuareg are going to need theor own color,because they have different loyalties,and conflicting reports of whom they pledge allegiance. Alhanuty ( talk) 01:07, 17 January 2015 (UTC)
It seems there is a ceasefire between the government and the rebels. http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/01/16/us-libya-security-idUSKBN0KP0VL20150116
I think that the towns that are currently marked as contested should instead be marked under joint control, like those on the Syria map, with a ring in the center. This will reflect the situation on the ground. Can this be done, please? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:0:b200:f7d9:6882:3e9c:f365:fef4 ( talk • contribs) 22:44, 17 January 2015 UTC
Three concentric circles is normally used for a stable situation, I assume this is what you mean? John Smith the Gamer ( talk) 12:56, 18 January 2015 (UTC)
(OP) Yes. That is what I mean. The current map gives the impression that those towns are still being fought over, but I think marking them as being under joint control more accurately reflects the situation on the ground.
(OP) http://www.libyaherald.com/2015/01/18/lna-announces-ceasefire-but-fight-against-terrorists-excluded/ Also, the agreement excludes Ansar al-Sharia and ISIS, so no concentric circles there. Update, please.
It is suggested by GNC to host the nigotations https://twitter.com/fahdrad/status/553902728460894208?s=09
Why does the map say that ISIL controls the rural region near Sabha? None of the sources mention this. All of our sources mention them being in control of Derna. Please remove them from the Sabha area, please. Anasaitis ( talk) 00:09, 3 February 2015 (UTC)
Spenk01 Why did you change the joint controll icons without consensus?,Also this is a bad icon beacause it's showing bin jawad contorlled by the Regime in the west and GNC in the east which is wrong. Lindi29 ( talk) 17:20, 17 February 2015 (UTC)
According to the source below which was used to add ISIS presence near Sidra, Sidra 'which houses the largest oil terminal' is under Libyan dawn control; Is this reason enough to change Sidra oil facility to green? http://www.worldtribune.com/2015/02/13/isil-convoys-hundreds-fighters-advance-libyan-oil-port/
Sirt under control by Islamic State. Al Wasat Hanibal911 ( talk) 17:42, 19 February 2015 (UTC)
@ Hanibal911: you changed the color to black (ISIL) in accordance with foxnews. However, when reading the source it says "More than a dozen Islamic State fighters from Iraq and Syria -- some with direct ties to the group's leader Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi" and later "An ISIS presence has been flagged in Benghazi, Derna and Sirte", which implies there are few ISIL operatives present there, but this is way far from holding the city (or part of it). In fact the source says presence of Ansar al-Sharia in Benghazi is dominant "Libya is not only a safe haven for ISIS but at least six other terror groups, including Ansar al-Sharia, which paraded police vehicles through Benghazi last month." This source from March 4 is specifically talking about ISIS-Army clashes, but i'm not sure of its reliability; Yahoo report from today is talking about Ansar al-Sharia in Benghazi in present sense; it also says that in Benghazi there is Libya Dawn fighting against Dignity coalition, so it seems three parties are present there with marginal ISIL (if at all). GreyShark ( dibra) 17:16, 7 March 2015 (UTC)
I think Ansar Al-Sharia officially joined ISIS so their dots should change to black. http://shoebat.com/2015/02/17/islamic-terrorists-attacked-benghazi-officially-join-isis-ansar-al-sharia-isis/
Aljazera reported that Nofalyah is recaptured by Libya Dawn but I can't find it in their site. Here is another source http://www.babnet.net/mobile/festivaldetail.php?id=102050 3bdulelah ( talk) 12:37, 21 March 2015 (UTC)
http://www.al-monitor.com/pulse/security/2015/03/yemen-is-alqaeda-spring-saudi-arabia-decisive-storm.html Nofaliyah under IS control Tgoll774 ( talk) 23:01, 19 April 2015 (UTC)
https://pietervanostaeyen.files.wordpress.com/2015/04/2000px-libya2.png more supporting evidence Tgoll774 ( talk) 17:55, 20 April 2015 (UTC)
A lot of cities are consdered under Tobruk government by default.
Ghadames: I could not find a source on who is controling the city?
Ghat: most likley the city is under locals control (not allied with any side) but the airport is controled by Libya dawn according to
this source
Kufra: I could not find a source on who is controling the city (Most likely local tribes)
I think Hanibal911 can help us with that 3bdulelah ( talk) 18:35, 22 March 2015 (UTC)
Whats the point of putting dam icons on the map if they dont show control of any side? -- HC PUNXKID 17:41, 26 March 2015 (UTC)
I can't find mainstream RS apart from the one cited saying that Ansar al-Sharia pledged allegiance to ISIS. It seems that only a certain Abu Abdullah al-Libi, which SITE describes as "general Shariah jurist for Ansar al-Shariah in Libya" (not even its leader), pledged allegiance. This doesn't mean that the group as a whole did. Nykterinos ( talk) 13:13, 2 April 2015 (UTC)
Tawergha is a ghost town. How can either side control it? It's marked as Green but I suggest removing it unless a source is provided for either a return of the population to the town proper (rather than refugee camps near the town) or maybe a large factional militia build-up (again inside the town rather than near it). Prepster ( talk) 22:46, 4 April 2015 (UTC)
If the town is not going to be removed (in spite of no one providing a source for the town being repopulated after it was ethnically cleansed and depopulated in 2011) then can we at least change Tawergha to blue. Unless there is a source for Libya Dawn/Tripoli government/green dot presence in this town, which there does not seem to be (which may have to do with my suspicion, confirmed by Tawergha's own Wikipedia page that it is a ghost town and therefore uninhabited. If I cannot remove the town (because my edits have been reverted) then would I or someone else at least be allowed to change it to Blue to make up for the lack of a source connecting it to Libya Dawn? Prepster ( talk) 22:47, 22 April 2015 (UTC)
Why is Nofaliya still marked as under ISIS control? I changed the colour to green, but my edits were reverted. The latest source I know of (19 March) mentioned that it is under GNC control. See [2] -- Xwejnusgozo ( talk) 15:48, 21 April 2015 (UTC)
It is because Ethiopian and Eritrean Christians were beheaded in Wilayat Fazzan. Well, in this module, there was a rural presence of the Islamic State but some guy changed it's colour from black to green. I think it's colour should be reverted to black. -- 햄빵이 ( talk) 08:55, 23 April 2015 (UTC)
Comment: - According to
this IHS Jane's 360 article (28 May 2015), IS still has presence in Sabha. Regards,--
HC
PUNXKID
22:51, 10 June 2015 (UTC)
Well I thought they could be shown just red. Are they independent from Tobruk? -- 햄방이 ( talk) 16:34, 23 April 2015 (UTC)
Comment: - Agree with editors above, if we maintain a different colour for Toureg forces, we must also add another colour for Tebou forces, as both seem to operate quasi-independently. --
HC
PUNXKID
14:29, 10 June 2015 (UTC)
Thomas van Linge is a biased 18 year old with biases all over the place. He never reveals what his sources are and is often found making extremely novice mistakes, more noticeable in his Syria and Iraq maps than in his Libya map, such as including factions that are almost irrelevant because of his personal biases (examples: JRTN with "Sunni insurgents" in Iraq, Syrian Resistance with the Syrian government, various FSA groupings with the Syrian rebels) and colouring entirely unhabited land at his own whim.
I request that all changes made solely because of his map be reverted unless otherwise proven with reliable sources or common sense/circumstantial evidence. It is NOT common sense to have ZERO Jihadi presence in the Fezzan region when both IS and Ansar al-Sharia have attacked military and civilian targets in the area, some of which we can clearly place. It is NOT common sense to ask for sources that prove villages between Dawn area of control X and Dawn area of control Y are held by Dawn. Nspwk ( talk) 13:05, 11 May 2015 (UTC)
I agree he doesn't base his maps upon facts but rather on sources he considers legit which are actually biased sources. Even though i've also used this map as source i think we should not be using it here from now on. Spenk01 ( talk) 21:16, 29 May 2015 (UTC)
I saw that some user added the Ghardabiya reservoirs of the Man-made river as IS-held. Dont have any problem with that, but if we include that reservoirs we must also add the other Man-made river reservoirs (Ajdabiya, Omar Mukhtar Benghazi's reservoirs) and other infrastructure (well fields or pipe production plants, for example). -- HC PUNXKID 14:36, 10 June 2015 (UTC)
There is a clear fault in the map regarding the Libyan Ansar al-Sharia - the group is still a part of the Benghazi Mujahedeen Council and the Darna Mujahedeen Council, despite the allegiance of some of its operatives to ISIL. This basically means that both Abu Salim Brigade and Ansar al-Sharia belong to the same group of al-Qaeda affiliated Jihadists, who oppose ISIL. I fix this issue on the map, making Benghazhi and Mreisa into grey color of the al-Qaeda, instead of ISIL black. GreyShark ( dibra) 06:46, 14 June 2015 (UTC)
There are a few troubling errors with the map. First, Derna has just recently been cleansed of ISIS by pro-Tripoli military council, so it should be a green dot. Second, I'm pretty sure that Tawergha (and especially its coastline) is controlled by Misratan Forces so it should also be green (only Bani Walid and its surroundings should be blue). Third, is Ajdabiya really still contested? I thought Haftar loyalists secured it. Fourth, Benghazi is contested by ALL factions in the war (Tripoli-loyalists, Haftar-loyalists, and ISIS/Ansar Sharia), not just between Haftar and ISIS as shown by current map. Finally, are Zaltan and al-Maya really controlled by Haftar loyalists? Because last I checked, the road from Tripoli to Tunisia is open and secured by Tripoli-loyalists. If I am wrong in any way, please let me know, but I hope my concerns lead to a better map. Moester101 ( talk) 00:42, 17 June 2015 (UTC)
Derna has just recently been cleansed of ISIS by pro-Tripoli military council, so it should be a green dot.
Second, I'm pretty sure that Tawergha (and especially its coastline) is controlled by Misratan Forces so it should also be green.
Third, is Ajdabiya really still contested? I thought Haftar loyalists secured it.
Fourth, Benghazi is contested by ALL factions in the war (Tripoli-loyalists, Haftar-loyalists, and ISIS/Ansar Sharia), not just between Haftar and ISIS as shown by current map.
Finally, are Zaltan and al-Maya really controlled by Haftar loyalists? Because last I checked, the road from Tripoli to Tunisia is open and secured by Tripoli-loyalists.
Forgive my lack of technical understanding...but how do I see the history of actual map edits (i.e. additions of towns and changes of color)? GeoEvan ( talk) 01:37, 18 August 2015 (UTC)
It is clear that Benghazi is a complicated issue to be depicted on the map, however current "Haftar vs. ISIS" is certainly only a partial picture. In addition to the presence of Haftar's forces (red) and ISIS (black), the city still has "parts" controlled by the Benghazi Shura Council of Revolutionaries [5] (grey). Shura Council itself is fractured - the major component is Ansar al-Sharia, who have disputes with other members of the council; nevertheless, Shura members are all non-aligned with ISIL at this point. GreyShark ( dibra) 10:19, 29 September 2015 (UTC)
Who's the genius that just deleted almost the entire map?! Do you have any idea how much work you just destroyed?! The entire accompanying page to this one has been deleted! Anasaitis ( talk) 23:29, 30 September 2015 (UTC)
Thankfully, I was able to restore the map. It appears that whoever did this wasn't a user. Could someone please recommend that their IP address be banned? Anasaitis ( talk) 23:34, 30 September 2015 (UTC)
derna is contested between IS and abu salim brigade which the map shows but their is a red dot under it which needs removing
IS has seized Bin Jawad and unsuccessfully attacked Sidra port west of Ras Lunuf - could replace Sidra icon with a contested symbol because they're not done with the attack, just temporarily repelled
Bin Jawad dot should be black in any event, source code indicates that it should be displaying as black but isn't for some reason (?)
Edit - ^ these have been updated, maybe my browser was displaying an old version of the page before... it looks right now, thanks to whoever fixed it
PutItOnAMap ( talk) 18:04, 6 January 2016 (UTC) [6] This source reports that IS now controls Bin Jawad. PutItOnAMap ( talk) 18:04, 6 January 2016 (UTC)
I would usually agree, but most sources either say "IS claimed to have taken Bin Jawad" or "IS has taken Bin Jawad", with the latter being more prevalent IMO. It is also notable that there is no denial of the claim by the media or any of the other main rival factions in Libya. I agree that we should not scaremonger by exaggerating IS control, but its presence should not be understated either. It launched an attack from what were probably positions in Bin Jawad on Sidra on Monday, and then again on Tuesday. It is contesting a place to the right of Bin Jawad, from which forces were most likely brought in to fight. Moreover, airstrikes were conducted in Bin Jawad and its vicinity, indicating IS control. [7] I think this is the most recent reliable source mentioning Bin Jawad, and it clearly states that IS controls the town. In the absence of denial and with an IS claim, much of the media and the military situation indicating it, I think we should leave Bin Jawad as IS controlled for now. PutItOnAMap ( talk) 18:17, 7 January 2016 (UTC)
I agree with you that the PFG have denied it and I'm sorry for not noticing that earlier. As for [11] it does really not make it clear if they mean the outskirts to the east of Bin Jawad (i.e. their coastal control has been pushed back to its edge) or the west (i.e. they have been driven out of the town). Either way, libyaherald which is a pro-Haftar (and thus pro-PFG) source, confirmed that IS controls Bin Jawad, and its confirmation came a day after the PFG's denial of IS control in Bin Jawad. Moreover, a day after the PFG made its claim about Bin Jawad, IS attacked their positions in Sidra, which could probably only have been done if they controlled - or at least controlled enough to get their forces through - Bin Jawad. Airstrikes have been conducted on Bin Jawad since the PFG's claim was made by the Haftar government, which would only have been done if IS had positions in Bin Jawad. PutItOnAMap ( talk) 19:06, 7 January 2016 (UTC)
For the avoidance of doubt: [12] I think this confirms it. PutItOnAMap ( talk) 12:46, 8 January 2016 (UTC)
Head of the Ajdabiya Shura Council has pledged allegiance to Abu Bakr, making his group a brand-new ISIS affiliate
I'm looking for a better source but given the scarcity of reporting in Libya it's unlikely - if this source is deemed ok or the story is corroborated elsewhere, I'm recommending that the current marking for Ajdabiya be changed to reflect this news
As usually, on module maps usually use like for example, "lat = 'xxxxx'". But, this map is not. I have been recently doing that, however i give up because it is large and long in order to add these all. Someone maybe help me to add these marks because to in order to make this like other module maps. If not i will do these myself. -- SMB99thx XD ( contribs) 11:37, 27 January 2016 (UTC)
Hello, I just saw on this map, that the town of Maradah south of El Agheila is contested between the Tripoli-based government and Daesh. But all I could find about this topic is that there was an attack on a turkish company building a road near Maradah in January and shortly later a direct attack on the city. ( http://www.reuters.com/article/us-libya-security-idUSKCN0US27G20160114) ( http://www.almasdarnews.com/article/isis-attacks-the-maradah-oil-fields-in-northern-libya/)
So, what's the situation there now? I doubt that Daesh is still there. And is the town really in the hands of the Tripoli-based government?-- Ermanarich ( talk) 21:24, 22 March 2016 (UTC)
Shouldn't GNA presence be marked with some other color? Both, Tripoli based and Tobruk based governments do not cooperate with GNA so it shouldn't be marked with green or red.
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I agree. The GNA ought to be marked in the map.
-- Patronus95 ( talk) 10:30, 4 April 2016 (UTC)
@ PutItOnAMap, SvEcHpInXID, Lacertilia the Magnificent: So what is the situation in Libya now? The Government of National Accord (GNA) is actually not yet represented on this map, even if there is a couple of militias and cities which declared their support for it (and if I remember it right, the GNC also declared its support). Are these two colours (red and green) still actual or how does it look exactly? However, the important point is that we need to include the recent changes in the map.-- Ermanarich ( talk) 21:23, 18 April 2016 (UTC)
As the GNC has collapsed, it might be a good idea to pledge all its forces to the GNA. However, we suffer from poor information. There are many militias, some of which have not declared their support for the GNA openly. None of them are fighting against the GNA, and many of them share control of several settlements with pro-GNA militias. But the security situation in Libya is, and will be for quite some time, incredibly uncertain.
I propose we change GNC-backed forces to GNA ones, and when instances of non-cooperation/rebellion occur, we mark them in as old GNC-aligned forces, or possibly local forces. PutItOnAMap ( talk) 09:14, 19 April 2016 (UTC)
I agree with changing the GNC-backed forces to GNA ones and marking instances of local non-cooperation. With the entry of the Presidential Council into Tripoli, the dissolution of the GNC, and the creation of the State Council, the NSG (the former Tripoli government) is essentially irrelevant. Some of the militias that supported the NSG government still have problems with the Presidential Council (Badi, LROR), but these forces do not form a cohesive anti-GNA bloc.
I very much support the idea of representing the GNA on the map. Some of the territory marked as under the control of the Tobruk-based government is now supportive of the GNA. This is the case with Jathran's zone of influence, as well as some southern cities. Lacertilia the Magnificent ( talk) 22:29, 20 April 2016 (UTC)
Fine. I changed the description after our discussion. In the next time we should look which of the militias in the area which is now still red supports the GNA. Tuareg and Tabu militias for example declared their support: http://www.libya-businessnews.com/2015/10/27/tuaregs-announce-support-for-serraj-govt/ http://libyaprospect.com/index.php/2016/04/04/tabu-and-tuareg-announce-their-support-for-gna/ It's just the question which areas are controlled by Tebu militias.-- Ermanarich ( talk) 22:20, 23 April 2016 (UTC)
The fundamental problem here is that some towns are controlled by multiple militias, some of which are not pro-GNA and some of which are, so joint control will have to be used, although it may not be very representative as anti-GNA militias are likely to be in the minority in some towns, and pro-GNA militias will probably be in the minority in others, leading to one icon not being very representative of the actual situation on the ground.
Our solution is not ideal, but it will have to do for now until we can think of a better one. PutItOnAMap ( talk) 09:46, 4 May 2016 (UTC)
Would it be a good idea to mark the PFG in their own colour but note that they are GNA-aligned in the map legend? (And should the same apply to Tuareg and Tebu militias)? This would be to better represent the political situation on the ground. PutItOnAMap ( talk) 08:31, 5 May 2016 (UTC)
PFG=Petroleum Facilities Guard? I think that it sounds good, but do we have colours left to use? Especially if you want to add Tebu militias too, that could become very difficult.-- Ermanarich ( talk) 11:38, 5 May 2016 (UTC)
I totally support PutItOnAMap's Solution, the PFG may acknowledge the Unity Gov. , but it certainly does not acknowledge the GNC, in fact, the two made heavy clashes near sirte before the latter was taken by ISIS.
another reason to have a PFG Colour is it's de-facto alliance with the Tobruk-led LNA (Libyan National Army), the LNA currently has significant forces heading towards sirte from Ras Lanuf (PFG Controlled)
I also suggest having a separate color for the GNC if possible, they are certainly not allies nor do they acknowledge each other. Shaltut ( talk) 18:39, 5 May 2016 (UTC)
Do we still need the category of Misrata District local tribal milita forces? Depending on whether that has become obsolete, we could assign the color for that category to the PFG. Lacertilia the Magnificent ( talk) 16:59, 5 May 2016 (UTC)
We will have to create new icons. There is no orange airport icon, so I've had to use dark green in Bani Walid for now. Also, there is no joint control brown/purple with yellow, so we cannot represent Tebu militias separately yet. PutItOnAMap ( talk) 19:28, 5 May 2016 (UTC)
File:Map-ctl2-red+marroon.svg, File:Fighter-jet-orange-icon.svg-- Ermanarich ( talk) 20:02, 5 May 2016 (UTC)
Thank you, I'll change it accordingly. I think the Tebu should have their own colour if the Tuareg do, because they play a key role in this conflict. PutItOnAMap ( talk) 20:46, 5 May 2016 (UTC)
Hm, I'm still not very happy with how it looks now. Wouldn't it be better to simply take one colour for forces that are not in favour of a special government? maybe we should simply take blue for the PFG and other neutral, non-alligned forces...-- Ermanarich ( talk) 17:28, 15 May 2016 (UTC)
I have added a detailed map for the conflict in Benghazi, similar to the ones in Aleppo, Daraa, Deir Ezzor, etc. To my fellow editors: please make suggestions/recommendations/improvements/feedback in general with regards to it. Thanks for your time. PutItOnAMap ( talk) 23:03, 23 April 2016 (UTC)
Super, thanks for creating it! Shall we maybe make a .svg-file instead? Oh, and are you sure that Daesh holds the territory and not the Shura council of Benghazi? Because the last one should be white according to the map's legend.-- Ermanarich ( talk) 15:03, 24 April 2016 (UTC)
It's a pleasure.
I could change it to .svg file, I suppose. As for the map itself, Sabri and Suq al-Hout are IS held. The other jihadi area is a mix between IS and shura, and I tried to show that by shading lines, but the shura lines appear to have been shaded in a much thinner colour than the IS ones - therefore, I'll need to edit them to be wider so it's clear that they're also holding that area, too.
I'm also going to make a similar map for Derna as soon as I can. The LNA hold Al Fataeh and District 400, and the Shura hold the rest, right? PutItOnAMap ( talk) 17:59, 24 April 2016 (UTC)
Ok, thanks for the information. I already started to create a .svg map before you answered, that was a bit dumb. Now I only need to work on the territory held by the Tobruk-based government. I hope that our works don't overlap already.
As for the situation in Derna, the creation of a map really sounds good. This may not be the right place here, but maybe a creation of a map of Ta'iz in Yemen would be good, if we have enough informations.-- Ermanarich ( talk) 19:05, 24 April 2016 (UTC)
Finished the map and uploaded it with the name Benghazi Conflict Detailed Map.svg, but there are some problems with the visibility.-- Ermanarich ( talk) 21:13, 24 April 2016 (UTC)
Thank you, it's much better, although it does not show the Shura forces in their own colour - IS and Shura seem to share the same colour in this new map. Also, if I'm not mistaken, the Shura and IS forces are still present in parts of Gwarsha. Also, I think they're not in control of Alfakat either, although I can't quite remember which source I read that in. I can try to find it, though.
Ta'izz is an issue, I really want to do it but I expect it will just be reverted out due to disagreements. People tend to disagree massively on which sources are reliable or not in the Yemeni module, so they would dispute whatever source anyone used to create such a map. I'll make the Derna map soon.
How did you get the part of the map with detailed roads for Gwarsha, Garyounis, etc? I couldn't find that map of Benghazi on english wikimedia, only a detailed map for the inner city. PutItOnAMap ( talk) 21:28, 24 April 2016 (UTC)
I downloaded the map from www.openstreetmap.org. There you have to click on "share" (it looks like the symbol for "share" in the Wikimedia media viewer). There you have to choose your format, either PNG or SVG. Furthermore you can make an excerpt, and then you can download it.
Sadly I'm not as familiar with the situation in Benghazi as you are, I made the map after your map. But it's not very difficult to add new colours to represent the Shura militias on the map.
And well, for the Yemen map it's true. Very unnecessary edit-war there, even though a Ta'izz map would be severally a good thing, since the city is heavily contested.-- Ermanarich ( talk) 22:28, 24 April 2016 (UTC)
Thank you for teling me about openstreetmap. I'll change the Benghazi map with that shortly. I was incorrect about Afakat by the way and will just change the map to show the Shura. PutItOnAMap ( talk) 09:31, 26 April 2016 (UTC)
I am adding in the Derna map now. Feedback for that, too, would be more than welcome. PutItOnAMap ( talk) 20:23, 26 April 2016 (UTC) 20:23, 26 April 2016 (UTC) 20:20, 26 April 2016 (UTC)
Yes, I do need to edit the red to make it stronger (without making the grey so dark it could be confused for IS, which was the main reason why I made the Shura colour light grey). I will also draw a black line between the LNA and MSC frontlines. Thank you! PutItOnAMap ( talk) 17:44, 27 April 2016 (UTC)
I have now updated the Derna map. It's a bit messier than before, but the colours are much clearer. Is it better now? PutItOnAMap ( talk) 09:02, 28 April 2016 (UTC)
Well, I don't want to be the grumbler all the time. The differences are now definitely clearer than before, but I'd actually prefer uniformed maps with one continuous design like it's the case with the maps used in the Syrian Civil War map. However, the maps are really helpful. Thank you so far!-- Ermanarich ( talk) 17:03, 30 April 2016 (UTC)
Wonderful Map, I live in Benghazi and can confirm this is accurate, i will inform you of any update from here. Shaltut ( talk) 18:42, 5 May 2016 (UTC)
Hello mappers,
I discorvered a great source on Daesh activities, majorily for the situation in Iraq but also for the changes in Syria and Libya: http://www.daeshdaily.com/2016/05/ Ermanarich ( talk) 15:20, 7 May 2016 (UTC)
Fezzan Libya Media Group is denying ISIS captured Zella, Jufra, and other towns in southern Libya. here I'll continue to monitor the situation. Its my understanding that Zella was one of the staging areas for Sirte, depending on how many troops were deployed there I find it hard to believe ISIS took over that location. Although its possible the LNA pulled out. Conflictnews ( talk) 17:49, 7 May 2016 (UTC)
LNA secures Zella (Zalah) hereand claim they captured Jufra and Jufra Airbase according to article here Fezzan Libya Media Group also suggests LNA control al Jufra here Conflictnews ( talk) 14:04, 8 May 2016 (UTC)
Can someone check if the situation of Ajdabiya is right ??? Last I checked it has been and still is under the Libyan Army Control since February of this year!!! you can check it on [16] & [17] MohamedAhtash ( talk) (19:16), 31st May 2016 (UTC)
On Monday the Petroleum Facilities Guard (PFG) had taken control of the town east of Sirte (Ben Jawad) and on the 31st of May it had been confirmed that they had also taken control of Nawfiliyah about 130 Km east of Sirte, getting ever closer to Sirte. [18] MohamedAhtash ( talk) (19:23) May 31st 2016 (UTC)
I suggest marking areas under the control of the Petroleum Facilities Guard with green dots as they declared support for the Government of National Accord. http://libyaprospect.com/index.php/2016/03/31/petroleum-guards-ready-to-work-under-gna-authority/ 3bdulelah ( talk) 21:08, 15 June 2016 (UTC)
I strongly agree! If they support the GNA, they should be shown in green. The map should be as easy to read as possible. Bigles, LightandDark2000, SvEcHpInXID, what do you think?
Oh, and if we do it, neutral and tribal forces could get the blue colour again, it's a better contrast to the yellow of the Tuareg.-- Ermanarich ( talk) 18:45, 2 June 2016 (UTC)
I agree because the Petroleum Facilities Guard definite itself as a force of the GNA.-- Bigles ( talk) 19:03, 2 June 2016 (UTC)
I Agree!SvEcHpInXID ( talk) 19:46, 2 June 2016 (UTC)
Most libyan sources says that the pro-GNA forces has completely captured Harawa. [19] - [20] - [21] -- LibyaDragoon ( talk) 17:10, 9 June 2016 (UTC)
Again the map needs to be updated, as Ajdaiya is not under the control of the GNA rather its under the LNA since the start of the year. [22] [23] & [24] MohamedAhtash ( talk) (13:52), 19th June 2016 (UTC)
Southern Ajdabiya was captured by Bengazi Defence Battalions (Shura Council) 3bdulelah ( talk) 06:33, 22 June 2016 (UTC)
There should be sources when claiming that Ajdabiya is under the LNA's opponents' contorl, I'm from Libya and know that Ajdabiya is under control of the LNA and is mentioned on a number of loacl news sources and Arab News channels. The Benghazi Defence Battalion (Shura Council) that your talking about controlled areas south of Ajdabiya not even the entire town, and have been subsequently pushed out of south of the town. [ [25]] [ [26]] [ [27]] [ [28]] MohamedAhtash ( talk) (15:41), 25th June 2016 (UTC)
We need to have colored anchor symbols for both Koms and Derna Naval Stations. We need a green one for Koms and a grey one for Derna. We already have a red one created for the base in Tripoli. Since we already have ISIS color-coded black, some people might mistake the black anchor symbol for ISIS controlled naval bases, so color coding is necessary to avoid confusion. I'd do it myself, but it won't work on my device for some reason, and I'm not particularly familiar with the process of creating such symbols anyway. Anasaitis ( talk) 22:31, 25 June 2016 (UTC)
Somewhere in Template:Libyan Civil War detailed map, there is a link to Magid - which is a DAB page containing no placenames. Narky Blert ( talk) 15:34, 7 February 2017 (UTC)
I think Ghadames Military Council declared allegiance to LNA https://twitter.com/tomfeneux/status/837035134603956224
Also I thought Taminhint Air Base was under the control of the LNA after Misrata's 3rd Force withdrew? Militaryconflict ( talk) 15:15, 2 March 2017 (UTC)
Somewhere in Template:Libyan Civil War detailed map there is a link to Ora, which is a DAB page. Links to DAB pages are generally unhelpful, and in this instance I can see no relevant entry at all. Could someone who knows their way around this template and topic help resolve this problem? Narky Blert ( talk) 21:35, 5 March 2017 (UTC)
since when Gharyan is under LNA control. Alhanuty ( talk) 17:05, 2 April 2017 (UTC)
Okay, this map is pretty wrong so I am going to do few changes and description box wouldnt allow me to present all sources
a, Ghariyan is pro-GNC city where GNC MoI and other institutions operate per [30]
b, Ghadames local militia command declared loyalty to Khalifa Haftar LNA per [31]
c, Tawergha has no local forces as locals even 6 years later have not been able to come back. Its under Misrata militias control per [32]
d, I dont understand this "Tuareg forces" moniker. There are local forces basically everywhere, some who are actually loyal and some who are loyal on paper to one side or another. While Ali Kana, who now control Sharara field, claims to be outside of jurisdiction of all, Ghat munincipality recogined GNA.
e, I think we should switch Sabha to local forces. Sabha is currently controlled by multitode of militias, generally devided based on tribe, neighbourhood and so on. Many militias used to be "formally" under 3rd force but in reality under no one but itself. Most of them now switched loyalty to Bin Nayel LNA 12th brigade, such as 116th brigade headed by Abou Jaoud which did this [33] when it took over camp of so-called "Libyan National Guard" that is loyal to Ghwell. For that I will switch it to half-LNA / half-local pin but feel free to change it if you have better sources, or discuss it here
f, I will remove GNA presence in Sabha district because all sources were clear that 3rd moved to Jufrah region from Tamanhinht airbase during evacuation.
e, I am switching al-Zahrah and Sacha oil fields to Haftar pin because of WP:COMMONSENSE as there are no sources that would say they are under Ibrahim Jathran.
f, and this is big one that I think many will disagree with. I am switching Misrata from pro-GNA to pro-GNC because of recent Misrata military council declaration of loyalty to GNC and Ghwell per [34] I understand that civic munincipality still de iure falls under GNC, however this map deals with actual, military power-breakers on the ground which in this case is certainly Misrati military council and not munincipality which takes cares of parks and water and whatnot.
Feel free to discuss EllsworthSK ( talk) 20:10, 27 May 2017 (UTC)
I also think Misrata should be GNC, Salah Baadi is Misrata's most powerful militia Leader, and he is the one who invaded Tripoli and burned it's Airport a few years back, he was recently defeated in Tripoli and has since withdrawn. AngryCyrenaican ( talk) 17:40, 9 July 2017 (UTC)
I don't think GNC controls any areas any longer, all the western Libyan municipalities already recognize GNA, and even if there some militias who reject Sarraj the majority don't.
I agree about the Tuareg forces though, I think it's time they removed from the map and changed to pro-GNA (Ghat) and LNA (Ghdames).
As for Kikla and Yefran they should be either controlled by local forces or GNA as I'm pretty sure they aren't controlled by LNA, there is no source that says this and most Amazigh towns reject Heftar. LIBYAĐRA☪OON: 10:45, 15 October 2017 (UTC)
This map wasn't updated for sometime so i made several changes to reflect latest changes on the ground, some of those changes (like removing tuareg forces and replacing them with GNA) was already discussed in this talk page. If there any objections or questions about those changes please say them here. thanks
My changes basically are:
-- LIBYAĐRA☪OON: 08:01, 10 February 2018 (UTC)
I have written this in a haste, so tell me if there something wrong. Thanks :) -- LIBYAĐRA☪OON: 03:53, 19 February 2018 (UTC)
I made both Tawergha and Bani Walid GNA controlled, refrences:
-- LIBYAĐRA☪OON: 08:15, 6 June 2018 (UTC)
I think the history of the file is corrupted. The latest one on the list is from August 23 2016. The old versions that work display the same thing as the newest version. A lot of other revisions don't work properly.
There are several mistakes in the map,i urge fellow editors to fix the mistakes. Alhanuty ( talk) 18:18, 29 November 2020 (UTC)