 Indian 841 at
Barber Vintage Motorsports Museum, Battleground, Birmingham, AL USA | |
| Manufacturer | Indian Motocycle Manufacturing Co. |
|---|---|
| Production | 1941
[1]–1943
[2] 1 056 produced [2] |
| Class | military |
| Engine | 45 cu. in. (737 cc) 90° air-cooled side-valve V-twin [3] [4] |
| Bore / stroke | 2.87 in × 3.50 in (73 mm × 89 mm) |
| Top speed | 70 mph (113 km/h) [5] |
| Power | 25 bhp [3] |
| Transmission | Four speed, foot shift; shaft drive [2] [4] |
| Suspension | Front: Girder fork with coil springs and shock absorber Rear: Plunger-type with coil springs [6] |
| Brakes | Front and rear: Drum [6] |
| Weight | 528 lbs. (240 kg) [7] ( wet) |
| Fuel capacity | 5 gal. [7] |
| Related | Indian Sport Scout (engine internals) |
The Indian 841 was a motorcycle designed by the Indian Motocycle Manufacturing Co. for desert warfare. It pioneered the drivetrain configuration later popularized by Moto Guzzi, having a longitudinally mounted air-cooled 90-degree V-twin with shaft drive to the rear wheel.
During World War II, the US Army requested experimental motorcycle designs suitable for desert fighting [1] and offered Indian $350,000 in exchange for 1,000 shaft-drive, side-valve, twin-cylinder test motorcycles. In response to this request, Indian designed and built the 841 (8 for the new engine design and 41 for the year). [7]
The Indian 841 was heavily inspired by the BMW R71 motorcycle, as was its competitor, the Harley-Davidson XA. [2] However, unlike the XA, the 841 was not a copy of the R71. Although its tubular frame, plunger rear suspension, four-speed transmission, foot-operated shifter, hand-operated clutch and shaft drive were similar to the BMW's, the 841 was different from the BMW in several aspects, most noticeably so with its 90-degree longitudinal-crankshaft V-twin engine and girder fork. [1] [2] [4] Also unlike the R71 and the XA, the 841 used a heel-and-toe shift pedal with heel-operated upshifts and toe-operated downshifts. [4] The bike also had a low compression ratio of 5.1:1, meaning that it could be run on low-octane fuel, crash bars to protect the cylinders, 18-inch wheels, two separate gas tanks for a total of 5 gallons of available fuel and newly designed girder forks for better shock absorption. [7] In order to reduce costs, the new V-twin shared several internal components with the existing Indian Sport Scout, resulting in the same bore and stroke of 2.87 in × 3.50 in (73 mm × 89 mm). [3] [6]
The Indian 841 and the Harley-Davidson XA were both tested by the Army, [1] [4] [8] but neither motorcycle was adopted for wider military use. It was determined that the Jeep was more suitable for the roles and missions for which these motorcycles had been intended. [1] [8] The 841 had also been found to have gearbox problems. [9] Surplus 841s were eventually sold from the corporate warehouse in Springfield. [2] [9]
Indian enthusiast Sammy Pierce used the tank and frame of his 841 along with the case and cylinders of an Indian Chief to make his P-61 American Rocket, featured on the cover of the May 1952 issue of Cycle magazine. [10]
Similar drivetrain configurations, using wide-angle longitudinally mounted V-twins with shaft drive, were later used on the 1953–1956 Victoria Bergmeister motorcycle, the Honda CX series, and, most notably, on medium- and large-sized Moto Guzzi motorcycles. [1] [2] [11]
- ^ a b c d e f "Motorcycle Hall of Fame Museum: 1941 Indian Military Model 841: The Wigwam's desert warfare bike". Motorcyclemuseum.org. Archived from the original on 2012-07-27. Retrieved 2011-02-26.
- ^ a b c d e f g Tharp, Dave. "The Soldier that Never Was – Indian Military Model 841". Motorcycle Online. Archived from the original on 1996-12-19. Retrieved 2007-05-10.
- ^ a b c Wilson, Hugo (1995). "The A-Z of Motorcycles". The Encyclopedia of the Motorcycle. London UK: Dorling-Kindersley. p. 108. ISBN 0-7513-0206-6.
- ^ a b c d e Charles McLendon, ed. (September 1942). "Motorcycles for Combat". Popular Science. 141 (3). New York, NY, USA: Popular Science Publishing: 118–121, 212, 214. ISSN 0161-7370.
- ^ Walker, Mick (2 October 2006). Motorcycle: Evolution, Design, Passion. The Johns Hopkins University Press. p. 40. ISBN 0801885302.
- ^ a b c Mitchel, Doug (1995). Motorcycle Classics. Lincolnwood, IL USA: Publications International. pp. 56–57. ISBN 0-7853-0889-X.
- ^ a b c d Tooth, Phillip (November–December 2012). "War Horse: Indian Model 841". Motorcycle Classics. 8 (2): 61–64. ISSN 1556-0880.
- ^ a b "Motorcycle Hall of Fame Museum: 1942 Harley-Davidson XA". Motorcyclemuseum.org. Archived from the original on 2012-07-27. Retrieved 2011-02-25.
- ^
a
b
c Doyle, David (Feb 28, 2011).
Standard Catalog of U.S. Military Vehicles (2nd ed.). Krause Publications. pp. 17–18.
ISBN
978-1-44022-799-8. Retrieved July 24, 2012.
Unfortunately, the gearbox was hard to shift and trouble prone.
- ^ Margie Siegal (September–October 2007). "Sammy Pierce's P-61 American Rocket". Motorcycle Classics. Retrieved 2009-08-11.
- ^ Wilson, Hugo (1995). "The A-Z of Motorcycles". The Encyclopedia of the Motorcycle. London UK: Dorling-Kindersley. p. 191. ISBN 0-7513-0206-6.
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Indian 841 at
Barber Vintage Motorsports Museum, Battleground, Birmingham, AL USA | |
| Manufacturer | Indian Motocycle Manufacturing Co. |
|---|---|
| Production | 1941
[1]–1943
[2] 1 056 produced [2] |
| Class | military |
| Engine | 45 cu. in. (737 cc) 90° air-cooled side-valve V-twin [3] [4] |
| Bore / stroke | 2.87 in × 3.50 in (73 mm × 89 mm) |
| Top speed | 70 mph (113 km/h) [5] |
| Power | 25 bhp [3] |
| Transmission | Four speed, foot shift; shaft drive [2] [4] |
| Suspension | Front: Girder fork with coil springs and shock absorber Rear: Plunger-type with coil springs [6] |
| Brakes | Front and rear: Drum [6] |
| Weight | 528 lbs. (240 kg) [7] ( wet) |
| Fuel capacity | 5 gal. [7] |
| Related | Indian Sport Scout (engine internals) |
The Indian 841 was a motorcycle designed by the Indian Motocycle Manufacturing Co. for desert warfare. It pioneered the drivetrain configuration later popularized by Moto Guzzi, having a longitudinally mounted air-cooled 90-degree V-twin with shaft drive to the rear wheel.
During World War II, the US Army requested experimental motorcycle designs suitable for desert fighting [1] and offered Indian $350,000 in exchange for 1,000 shaft-drive, side-valve, twin-cylinder test motorcycles. In response to this request, Indian designed and built the 841 (8 for the new engine design and 41 for the year). [7]
The Indian 841 was heavily inspired by the BMW R71 motorcycle, as was its competitor, the Harley-Davidson XA. [2] However, unlike the XA, the 841 was not a copy of the R71. Although its tubular frame, plunger rear suspension, four-speed transmission, foot-operated shifter, hand-operated clutch and shaft drive were similar to the BMW's, the 841 was different from the BMW in several aspects, most noticeably so with its 90-degree longitudinal-crankshaft V-twin engine and girder fork. [1] [2] [4] Also unlike the R71 and the XA, the 841 used a heel-and-toe shift pedal with heel-operated upshifts and toe-operated downshifts. [4] The bike also had a low compression ratio of 5.1:1, meaning that it could be run on low-octane fuel, crash bars to protect the cylinders, 18-inch wheels, two separate gas tanks for a total of 5 gallons of available fuel and newly designed girder forks for better shock absorption. [7] In order to reduce costs, the new V-twin shared several internal components with the existing Indian Sport Scout, resulting in the same bore and stroke of 2.87 in × 3.50 in (73 mm × 89 mm). [3] [6]
The Indian 841 and the Harley-Davidson XA were both tested by the Army, [1] [4] [8] but neither motorcycle was adopted for wider military use. It was determined that the Jeep was more suitable for the roles and missions for which these motorcycles had been intended. [1] [8] The 841 had also been found to have gearbox problems. [9] Surplus 841s were eventually sold from the corporate warehouse in Springfield. [2] [9]
Indian enthusiast Sammy Pierce used the tank and frame of his 841 along with the case and cylinders of an Indian Chief to make his P-61 American Rocket, featured on the cover of the May 1952 issue of Cycle magazine. [10]
Similar drivetrain configurations, using wide-angle longitudinally mounted V-twins with shaft drive, were later used on the 1953–1956 Victoria Bergmeister motorcycle, the Honda CX series, and, most notably, on medium- and large-sized Moto Guzzi motorcycles. [1] [2] [11]
- ^ a b c d e f "Motorcycle Hall of Fame Museum: 1941 Indian Military Model 841: The Wigwam's desert warfare bike". Motorcyclemuseum.org. Archived from the original on 2012-07-27. Retrieved 2011-02-26.
- ^ a b c d e f g Tharp, Dave. "The Soldier that Never Was – Indian Military Model 841". Motorcycle Online. Archived from the original on 1996-12-19. Retrieved 2007-05-10.
- ^ a b c Wilson, Hugo (1995). "The A-Z of Motorcycles". The Encyclopedia of the Motorcycle. London UK: Dorling-Kindersley. p. 108. ISBN 0-7513-0206-6.
- ^ a b c d e Charles McLendon, ed. (September 1942). "Motorcycles for Combat". Popular Science. 141 (3). New York, NY, USA: Popular Science Publishing: 118–121, 212, 214. ISSN 0161-7370.
- ^ Walker, Mick (2 October 2006). Motorcycle: Evolution, Design, Passion. The Johns Hopkins University Press. p. 40. ISBN 0801885302.
- ^ a b c Mitchel, Doug (1995). Motorcycle Classics. Lincolnwood, IL USA: Publications International. pp. 56–57. ISBN 0-7853-0889-X.
- ^ a b c d Tooth, Phillip (November–December 2012). "War Horse: Indian Model 841". Motorcycle Classics. 8 (2): 61–64. ISSN 1556-0880.
- ^ a b "Motorcycle Hall of Fame Museum: 1942 Harley-Davidson XA". Motorcyclemuseum.org. Archived from the original on 2012-07-27. Retrieved 2011-02-25.
- ^
a
b
c Doyle, David (Feb 28, 2011).
Standard Catalog of U.S. Military Vehicles (2nd ed.). Krause Publications. pp. 17–18.
ISBN
978-1-44022-799-8. Retrieved July 24, 2012.
Unfortunately, the gearbox was hard to shift and trouble prone.
- ^ Margie Siegal (September–October 2007). "Sammy Pierce's P-61 American Rocket". Motorcycle Classics. Retrieved 2009-08-11.
- ^ Wilson, Hugo (1995). "The A-Z of Motorcycles". The Encyclopedia of the Motorcycle. London UK: Dorling-Kindersley. p. 191. ISBN 0-7513-0206-6.