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Mit jelent az a szó, hogy "dzéta"?
What does the word "dzéta" mean?
Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.134.178.225 ( talk • contribs) 09:04, 14 May 2009 (UTC)
There is not only a difference between the length but also in the way pronounced short 'ö' and long 'ő', long 'ő' is closed. —Preceding
unsigned comment added by
84.2.106.137 (
talk) 22:34, 28 December 2009 (UTC)
<sarcasm on> Gosh, but it's comforting that this otherwise embarrassing problem has been fixed by ignoring the existence of these symbols in the accompanying article.<sarcasm off>
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Jerzy•
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Any chance of some English approximations, from someone who knows a bit about Hungarian phonology? Lfh ( talk) 14:42, 24 February 2010 (UTC)
Moving the nice assimilation tables here, as they're too complex for a simple IPA key. Will add some of their examples to the key. For length, we'll want a new section, but without so much detail. We just need people to recognize the IPA when they see it. kwami ( talk) 18:06, 5 April 2010 (UTC)
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Are we really representing long consonants with a long marker? Why not just put a second consonant? — Ƶ§œš¹ [aɪm ˈfɹ̠ˤʷɛ̃ɾ̃ˡi] 22:09, 28 April 2010 (UTC)
That's not the Hungarian pronunciation. That would be with [o]. And what is the problem with long markers? There is a difference between a long b and two bs, one after the other (both occours in Hungarian, however the latter is very rare). - Matthew Beta ( talk) 14:27, 29 April 2010 (UTC)
The English approximation for ø is listed as "nurse". This is ambiguous as the typical American English pronunciation is /nəɻs/, where the typical British English pronunciation is /nɜːs/. Which is it, and is there a less ambiguous approximation? -- Oldak Quill 17:40, 11 May 2011 (UTC)
I think better examples for the phonemes that contrast by length would be English minimal pairs that also differ (allophonically) in vowel length. So "need" and "neat", "mood" and "moot". framed0000 20:28, 11 September 2012 (UTC)
What does "RP hot" indicate? Regular pronunciation? The english approximation for ɒ. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.207.79.0 ( talk) 20:54, 21 October 2012 (UTC)
Several of the second words in the Examples column are wrong. Nobody pronounces "széfből" as "szévből" or "ácsból" as "ádzsból". This page doesn't help at all. – Alensha talk 00:34, 29 November 2012 (UTC)
In one sense he is right: This page has no sense for those, who would read it (99.99% foreigners). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 37.76.36.16 ( talk) 09:52, 30 November 2016 (UTC)
Several of the examples are showing the "low-class" pronunciation. Some people say these words like that (incorrectly), but it's not a good example to set and shouldn't be followed by foreigners trying to learn the language. These are not even local dialectal pronunciations, just plain wrong, uneducated ones. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.174.85.14 ( talk) 20:57, 4 April 2021 (UTC)
I used this HU IPA page to make one for Latvian ('cause most of the consonants are very much alike) today I noticed I didn't have [ʎ] (lol!) which means that you don't have it either. OK, I won't pretend to be a pro at HU phonology but I think you forgot to include it. Neitrāls vārds ( talk) 01:26, 23 November 2013 (UTC)
Since stress falls on the first syllable of a word, is it necessary to mark it? An
online dictionary I found doesn't mark them for instance.
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Maczkopeti (
talk) 08:15, 10 September 2016 (UTC)
ü and ű are transcribed as [y] and [yː] respectively. However, looking at the
vowel chart for Hungarian,
the ü/ű are closer to central than front, and using [ʉ] and [ʉː] respectively would be preferred.
In the
vowel chart for Swedish, we have both [y] and [ʉ]; and honestly confusing to see ü and [y], as it sounds more like [ʉ]
Liggliluff (
talk) 19:41, 17 November 2016 (UTC)
kisszerű: the first s is pronounced /sh/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 37.76.36.16 ( talk) 08:52, 30 November 2016 (UTC)
Where is long A and E used in Hungarian? Apart form Moldavia. I mean in which words? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 37.76.36.16 ( talk) 08:57, 30 November 2016 (UTC)
There is a move discussion in progress on Help talk:IPA which affects this page. Please participate on that page and not in this talk page section. Thank you. — RMCD bot 16:16, 15 July 2017 (UTC)
I've noticed in most articles that Hungarian pronunciations are given in the Western name order, unless the Hungarian name is indicated in the opening. The problem is that in the former case, assimilations can't be properly indicated. For instance, Bartók Béla is [ˈbɒrtoːɡ ˈbeːlɒ], but Bartók in isolation is [ˈbɒrtoːk]. Would it be reasonable to have the native order for Hungarian pronunciations in all cases? -- maczkopeti ( talk) 19:22, 21 June 2018 (UTC)
szívtam is not pronounced with an f - it is pronounced with a v - exactly as it is written. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 110.175.97.108 ( talk) 11:50, 13 January 2019 (UTC)
The page is full of pronunciation errors (and I know because I'm a native Hungarian speaker), so you probably want to have a check on the page with a Hungarian Linguistics professional - as some of the seemingly incorrect things are in fact actually correct. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Atzimler ( talk • contribs) 12:14, 13 January 2019 (UTC)
The part about the Degemination is incorrect, nobody shortens folttal to foltɒl, people would not even understand what you mean. I wonder how this even came up, Maybe from a non-native speaker? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bxabi ( talk • contribs) 18:14, 14 May 2021 (UTC)
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Linguistics: Phonetics NA‑class | ||||||||||
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Mit jelent az a szó, hogy "dzéta"?
What does the word "dzéta" mean?
Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.134.178.225 ( talk • contribs) 09:04, 14 May 2009 (UTC)
There is not only a difference between the length but also in the way pronounced short 'ö' and long 'ő', long 'ő' is closed. —Preceding
unsigned comment added by
84.2.106.137 (
talk) 22:34, 28 December 2009 (UTC)
<sarcasm on> Gosh, but it's comforting that this otherwise embarrassing problem has been fixed by ignoring the existence of these symbols in the accompanying article.<sarcasm off>
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Jerzy•
t 02:53, 13 March 2018 (UTC)
Any chance of some English approximations, from someone who knows a bit about Hungarian phonology? Lfh ( talk) 14:42, 24 February 2010 (UTC)
Moving the nice assimilation tables here, as they're too complex for a simple IPA key. Will add some of their examples to the key. For length, we'll want a new section, but without so much detail. We just need people to recognize the IPA when they see it. kwami ( talk) 18:06, 5 April 2010 (UTC)
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Are we really representing long consonants with a long marker? Why not just put a second consonant? — Ƶ§œš¹ [aɪm ˈfɹ̠ˤʷɛ̃ɾ̃ˡi] 22:09, 28 April 2010 (UTC)
That's not the Hungarian pronunciation. That would be with [o]. And what is the problem with long markers? There is a difference between a long b and two bs, one after the other (both occours in Hungarian, however the latter is very rare). - Matthew Beta ( talk) 14:27, 29 April 2010 (UTC)
The English approximation for ø is listed as "nurse". This is ambiguous as the typical American English pronunciation is /nəɻs/, where the typical British English pronunciation is /nɜːs/. Which is it, and is there a less ambiguous approximation? -- Oldak Quill 17:40, 11 May 2011 (UTC)
I think better examples for the phonemes that contrast by length would be English minimal pairs that also differ (allophonically) in vowel length. So "need" and "neat", "mood" and "moot". framed0000 20:28, 11 September 2012 (UTC)
What does "RP hot" indicate? Regular pronunciation? The english approximation for ɒ. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.207.79.0 ( talk) 20:54, 21 October 2012 (UTC)
Several of the second words in the Examples column are wrong. Nobody pronounces "széfből" as "szévből" or "ácsból" as "ádzsból". This page doesn't help at all. – Alensha talk 00:34, 29 November 2012 (UTC)
In one sense he is right: This page has no sense for those, who would read it (99.99% foreigners). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 37.76.36.16 ( talk) 09:52, 30 November 2016 (UTC)
Several of the examples are showing the "low-class" pronunciation. Some people say these words like that (incorrectly), but it's not a good example to set and shouldn't be followed by foreigners trying to learn the language. These are not even local dialectal pronunciations, just plain wrong, uneducated ones. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.174.85.14 ( talk) 20:57, 4 April 2021 (UTC)
I used this HU IPA page to make one for Latvian ('cause most of the consonants are very much alike) today I noticed I didn't have [ʎ] (lol!) which means that you don't have it either. OK, I won't pretend to be a pro at HU phonology but I think you forgot to include it. Neitrāls vārds ( talk) 01:26, 23 November 2013 (UTC)
Since stress falls on the first syllable of a word, is it necessary to mark it? An
online dictionary I found doesn't mark them for instance.
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Maczkopeti (
talk) 08:15, 10 September 2016 (UTC)
ü and ű are transcribed as [y] and [yː] respectively. However, looking at the
vowel chart for Hungarian,
the ü/ű are closer to central than front, and using [ʉ] and [ʉː] respectively would be preferred.
In the
vowel chart for Swedish, we have both [y] and [ʉ]; and honestly confusing to see ü and [y], as it sounds more like [ʉ]
Liggliluff (
talk) 19:41, 17 November 2016 (UTC)
kisszerű: the first s is pronounced /sh/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 37.76.36.16 ( talk) 08:52, 30 November 2016 (UTC)
Where is long A and E used in Hungarian? Apart form Moldavia. I mean in which words? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 37.76.36.16 ( talk) 08:57, 30 November 2016 (UTC)
There is a move discussion in progress on Help talk:IPA which affects this page. Please participate on that page and not in this talk page section. Thank you. — RMCD bot 16:16, 15 July 2017 (UTC)
I've noticed in most articles that Hungarian pronunciations are given in the Western name order, unless the Hungarian name is indicated in the opening. The problem is that in the former case, assimilations can't be properly indicated. For instance, Bartók Béla is [ˈbɒrtoːɡ ˈbeːlɒ], but Bartók in isolation is [ˈbɒrtoːk]. Would it be reasonable to have the native order for Hungarian pronunciations in all cases? -- maczkopeti ( talk) 19:22, 21 June 2018 (UTC)
szívtam is not pronounced with an f - it is pronounced with a v - exactly as it is written. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 110.175.97.108 ( talk) 11:50, 13 January 2019 (UTC)
The page is full of pronunciation errors (and I know because I'm a native Hungarian speaker), so you probably want to have a check on the page with a Hungarian Linguistics professional - as some of the seemingly incorrect things are in fact actually correct. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Atzimler ( talk • contribs) 12:14, 13 January 2019 (UTC)
The part about the Degemination is incorrect, nobody shortens folttal to foltɒl, people would not even understand what you mean. I wonder how this even came up, Maybe from a non-native speaker? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bxabi ( talk • contribs) 18:14, 14 May 2021 (UTC)