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Is there any reason we don't just put the code for this into the table at the bottom of each set of code to be copied instead of providing this instruction:
In general, you should include {{Archives|bot=bot name}}
(to provide a search box) along with the content of one the following columns (starting with {{
and ending with }}
).
Wouldn't it be simpler if people could just copy/paste the whole thing, all together? When would the average editor needing this help page ever not want to provide a search box/index of archives on a talk page? —valereee ( talk) 11:27, 5 March 2021 (UTC)
I had long ago considered doing this, but instead of the way you did it I considered placing the "{{Archive..." around the names already in the first row of the table. I the reason I did not do that was for two reasons:
Therefore I am reverting the edit until a consensus for change can be agreed. -- PBS ( talk) 11:55, 12 March 2021 (UTC)
This is an absurdly long wall of text to not have a nutshell summary. WP:V's:
![]() | This page in a nutshell: Readers must be able to check that any of the information within Wikipedia articles is not just made up. This means all material must be attributable to reliable, published sources. Additionally, quotations and any material challenged or likely to be challenged must be supported by inline citations. |
V 0.01:
![]() | This page in a nutshell: Below is an absurdly long wall of text. In a nutshell: Crib from WP:Talk_page_layout/Sandbox? No, not (yet) good advice. Use this substitution template to insert an auto-archive header that is maximally self-documenting, an Archive notice banner, archive box with search.: <tbd> You may want to create an archive index page at {{{{NAMESPACE}}:{{BASEPAGENAME}}/Archive Index}}and put {{User:ClueBot III/Master Detailed Indices/{{NAMESPACE}}:{{BASEPAGENAME}}}} on it. |
{{User:ClueBot III/ArchiveThis | age=2160 <!--in HOURS; 2160=90 days--> | archiveprefix={{SUBST:FULLPAGENAME}}/Archive | numberstart=1 | maxarchsize=75000 | header={{Automatic archive navigator}} | minkeepthreads=3 | maxkeepbytes= | minarchthreads=2 | format= %%I | archivebox=yes |archivenow={{User:ClueBot III/ArchiveNow}} }}
I've been on here for years, but have been intimidated by the coding and such. So I'm JUST getting around to putting an archive on my unwieldy talk page. However, I've just added it and don't see anything different. Is there a way to auto-archive sections on my talk page retroactively? Like, I kind of only want the comments there for the last year. How is this done?-- Criticalthinker ( talk) 09:21, 30 September 2021 (UTC)
How do I force a bot to archive now? I'd like to archive some sections in Talk:Artificial intelligence. Pin me if you answer. ---- CharlesGillingham ( talk) 01:00, 14 October 2021 (UTC)
Hi, is there a best practice page (sort of process) how to know when to archive a talk page? I'm editing several articles recently and talk pages contain very old information (sections, comments). Initiating a section suggesting the use of one of the archive bots would be my idea. But how and when to reach consensus? Wait for how many votes/users to comment? In other words, how to implement archiving? Of course I feel good about adding/applying a bot, but before doing so, would like to hear some feedback on this. Thanks.-- 𝔏92934923525 ( talk) 10:33, 18 March 2021 (UTC)
Note: Make sure to establish consensus before setting up ClueBot III or lowercase sigmabot III on a talk page other than your user talk page. Does that need to be updated? — 2d37 ( talk) 23:49, 18 July 2021 (UTC)
In some cases, we may need to edit archives with minor (non-significant) modifications. This page doesn't seem to discuss this case. By example, section which are archived but seems unfinished / unprocessed, while they actually were processed. Adding a clear Done{{done}} or closing remark helps to an archived discussion helps. Fixing a link helps. There are various cases when such marginal edits are ok, so a section "Editing archives" should discuss such case with do and don't.
Yug
(talk) 🐲
20:11, 24 November 2021 (UTC)
Given that archived discussions are immutable. This is without a context, and no previous mention of immutability with reference to an archive. Jay (talk) 06:02, 29 December 2021 (UTC)
I'm thinking about whether something should be done to link two (or more) discussions on different pages that have archival dependencies, either due to
WP:SELTRANS or simply subject linkage, with the second (let's say, active and lively) discussion relying a great deal on items within the first one (quiescent, close to triggering the bot). Basically, this would be a feature saying that "discussion A depends upon discussion B, and shouldn't be archived while B is still open". Maybe something like a change to {{
Do not archive until}} in order to accept a new named parameter, |depend=Other page#Some section
for example. If considered desirable, this would require changes to the archive bots to support it, but first we should see if there's even support for the idea.
Mathglot (
talk)
22:15, 15 February 2022 (UTC)
I'm kind of wondering if Help:Archiving (plain and simple) ought to be at this location, and this page ought to be at Help:Archiving (technical)? I just feel like the average person looking for instructions is going to be more helped by the simple cut/paste page vs. this long description of every possible configuration? valereee ( talk) 18:24, 18 January 2022 (UTC)
I feel this is an important part of the procedure that isn't mentioned. Should the first archive be archive 0 or achive 1? BrigadierG ( talk) 12:07, 10 May 2022 (UTC)
What happens if a bot archives a discussion that is still notable and may need to continue? Krystal Kalb ( talk) 02:53, 20 June 2022 (UTC)
"If a thread has been archived prematurely, such as when it is still relevant to current work or was not concluded, unarchive it by copying it back to the talk page from the archive, and deleting it from the archive. Do not unarchive a thread that was effectively closed; instead, start a new discussion and link to the archived prior discussion."In most cases, I think starting a new thread is preferable. Going forward you can use {{ Pin message}}. It is probably best to discuss this issue on the relevant talk page to establish consensus for this specific case. Chris Troutman ( talk) 03:08, 20 June 2022 (UTC)
I created a talk page subpage for an archive just now and instead of a blank page that I would simply add the 'AAN' template to I got a complicated screen inviting me to start a new discussion. This seems new to me, is there any way to bypass it and carry on as normal? Thanks Nimbus (Cumulus nimbus floats by) 18:25, 21 July 2022 (UTC)
In the end, I think 14 days should be enough for archiving. However some discussions are extreme and in the news topic, there are a lot of discussion, so we can archive sooner than 14 days? Thingofme ( talk) 03:34, 26 February 2022 (UTC)
Adding two cents, echoing Graham87: I finally decided to investigate how archiving works partly in frustration with overly aggressive archiving. For talk pages with infrequent additions, there is no need to sweep away discussions after a couple weeks and leave a mostly blank talk page. Often past discussions, esp. ones that establish notable points of consensus for an article, can remain relevant for months or years. The minthreads parameter seems like an excellent idea. CAVincent ( talk) 05:17, 18 August 2022 (UTC)
I'd like to get the archiving working again on Talk:Stanley Kubrick. However, there's massive archives there already, and I fear breaking things if I just yank out User:HBC Archive Indexerbot and stuff Miszabot in its place - as I'm not all that skilled at backend work. Is it actually the case that if I did as I just mentioned, everything would transparently work? If not, is there a guide somewhere on migrating from one to the other? cheers. anastrophe, an editor he is. 21:42, 17 October 2022 (UTC)
What happens if you edit an archived talk page? Cwater1 ( talk) 23:25, 3 November 2022 (UTC)
I think this may require special handling. The page Talk:Killing of Caylee Anthony is partially broken, because the archives were not moved when the article was renamed from 'Death of Caylee Anthony'. I was trying to fix the autoarchiving, and became lost because even though it shows that archiving is in place, there were no archives linked on the page. So I think this needs someone with page mover grants...? cheers. anastrophe, an editor he is. 01:28, 10 November 2022 (UTC)
Archived talk pages generally have a notification reading "Do not edit the contents of this page." Does this apply if a talk page has been vandalized, then archived? Is it OK to remove the vandalism in this cases, or should it be left as is?
For the purposes of this, "vandalism" means the most blatant of the blatant -- editing somebody else's comment and/or template to include crude vandalism along the lines of "i fucked your mom," making it appear that they originally said it. Gnomingstuff ( talk) 08:21, 28 March 2023 (UTC)
Can someone please explain how to archive a single discussion thread on a talk page? Thanks. Sng Pal ( talk) 07:00, 1 July 2023 (UTC)
In the lead we say
Archiving one's own user talk page is optional; some users simply blank the page, as the history is kept available for future reference, but this is not considered the best practice (as it makes things more difficult to find and link). For this specific case, the use of "permalinks" can provide an easy way to display an archived view of a talk page at a given moment, though there's no control on thread organization or presentation. Removal of content from your user talk page, such as warnings posted by others, is considered evidence you have seen the content; this is true whether the removal was manual or automatic. (emph mine)
This isn't making sense to me -- is the bolded sentence actually specifically about user talk pages? Valereee ( talk) 14:27, 17 August 2023 (UTC)
From here, I pasted this:
{{subst:Setup cluebot archiving|archives=yes}}
at Talk:Derek_Williams_(musician) over the weekend, below all the curly bracket info at the top of the page, and according to the article above, the archiving should have kicked in within a couple of days. The bot has worked elswhere I have used it. Any suggestions as to why this is not working? Chrisdevelop ( talk) 14:01, 19 October 2023 (UTC)
|minkeepthreads = 5
- this means the bot will always leave at least 5 threads (header level 2 sections) on the page before it attempts to archive any, and
Talk:Derek Williams (musician) is currently sitting at just 3, so the bot won't attempt to archive any threads right now.
Aidan9382 (
talk)
14:25, 19 October 2023 (UTC)
The
Wikipedia:Featured articles process appears to regularly use pagenames of the form Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/<Article name>/archiveN
for active, ongoing discussion. I raised a discussion about this, and your feedback would be welcome at
WT:Featured article candidates#Use of 'archiveN' as subpage name for active, non-archival page. Thanks,
Mathglot (
talk)
18:52, 7 November 2023 (UTC)
![]() | This is an archive of past discussions. Do not edit the contents of this page. If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the current talk page. |
Archive 1 | ← | Archive 4 | Archive 5 | Archive 6 |
Is there any reason we don't just put the code for this into the table at the bottom of each set of code to be copied instead of providing this instruction:
In general, you should include {{Archives|bot=bot name}}
(to provide a search box) along with the content of one the following columns (starting with {{
and ending with }}
).
Wouldn't it be simpler if people could just copy/paste the whole thing, all together? When would the average editor needing this help page ever not want to provide a search box/index of archives on a talk page? —valereee ( talk) 11:27, 5 March 2021 (UTC)
I had long ago considered doing this, but instead of the way you did it I considered placing the "{{Archive..." around the names already in the first row of the table. I the reason I did not do that was for two reasons:
Therefore I am reverting the edit until a consensus for change can be agreed. -- PBS ( talk) 11:55, 12 March 2021 (UTC)
This is an absurdly long wall of text to not have a nutshell summary. WP:V's:
![]() | This page in a nutshell: Readers must be able to check that any of the information within Wikipedia articles is not just made up. This means all material must be attributable to reliable, published sources. Additionally, quotations and any material challenged or likely to be challenged must be supported by inline citations. |
V 0.01:
![]() | This page in a nutshell: Below is an absurdly long wall of text. In a nutshell: Crib from WP:Talk_page_layout/Sandbox? No, not (yet) good advice. Use this substitution template to insert an auto-archive header that is maximally self-documenting, an Archive notice banner, archive box with search.: <tbd> You may want to create an archive index page at {{{{NAMESPACE}}:{{BASEPAGENAME}}/Archive Index}}and put {{User:ClueBot III/Master Detailed Indices/{{NAMESPACE}}:{{BASEPAGENAME}}}} on it. |
{{User:ClueBot III/ArchiveThis | age=2160 <!--in HOURS; 2160=90 days--> | archiveprefix={{SUBST:FULLPAGENAME}}/Archive | numberstart=1 | maxarchsize=75000 | header={{Automatic archive navigator}} | minkeepthreads=3 | maxkeepbytes= | minarchthreads=2 | format= %%I | archivebox=yes |archivenow={{User:ClueBot III/ArchiveNow}} }}
I've been on here for years, but have been intimidated by the coding and such. So I'm JUST getting around to putting an archive on my unwieldy talk page. However, I've just added it and don't see anything different. Is there a way to auto-archive sections on my talk page retroactively? Like, I kind of only want the comments there for the last year. How is this done?-- Criticalthinker ( talk) 09:21, 30 September 2021 (UTC)
How do I force a bot to archive now? I'd like to archive some sections in Talk:Artificial intelligence. Pin me if you answer. ---- CharlesGillingham ( talk) 01:00, 14 October 2021 (UTC)
Hi, is there a best practice page (sort of process) how to know when to archive a talk page? I'm editing several articles recently and talk pages contain very old information (sections, comments). Initiating a section suggesting the use of one of the archive bots would be my idea. But how and when to reach consensus? Wait for how many votes/users to comment? In other words, how to implement archiving? Of course I feel good about adding/applying a bot, but before doing so, would like to hear some feedback on this. Thanks.-- 𝔏92934923525 ( talk) 10:33, 18 March 2021 (UTC)
Note: Make sure to establish consensus before setting up ClueBot III or lowercase sigmabot III on a talk page other than your user talk page. Does that need to be updated? — 2d37 ( talk) 23:49, 18 July 2021 (UTC)
In some cases, we may need to edit archives with minor (non-significant) modifications. This page doesn't seem to discuss this case. By example, section which are archived but seems unfinished / unprocessed, while they actually were processed. Adding a clear Done{{done}} or closing remark helps to an archived discussion helps. Fixing a link helps. There are various cases when such marginal edits are ok, so a section "Editing archives" should discuss such case with do and don't.
Yug
(talk) 🐲
20:11, 24 November 2021 (UTC)
Given that archived discussions are immutable. This is without a context, and no previous mention of immutability with reference to an archive. Jay (talk) 06:02, 29 December 2021 (UTC)
I'm thinking about whether something should be done to link two (or more) discussions on different pages that have archival dependencies, either due to
WP:SELTRANS or simply subject linkage, with the second (let's say, active and lively) discussion relying a great deal on items within the first one (quiescent, close to triggering the bot). Basically, this would be a feature saying that "discussion A depends upon discussion B, and shouldn't be archived while B is still open". Maybe something like a change to {{
Do not archive until}} in order to accept a new named parameter, |depend=Other page#Some section
for example. If considered desirable, this would require changes to the archive bots to support it, but first we should see if there's even support for the idea.
Mathglot (
talk)
22:15, 15 February 2022 (UTC)
I'm kind of wondering if Help:Archiving (plain and simple) ought to be at this location, and this page ought to be at Help:Archiving (technical)? I just feel like the average person looking for instructions is going to be more helped by the simple cut/paste page vs. this long description of every possible configuration? valereee ( talk) 18:24, 18 January 2022 (UTC)
I feel this is an important part of the procedure that isn't mentioned. Should the first archive be archive 0 or achive 1? BrigadierG ( talk) 12:07, 10 May 2022 (UTC)
What happens if a bot archives a discussion that is still notable and may need to continue? Krystal Kalb ( talk) 02:53, 20 June 2022 (UTC)
"If a thread has been archived prematurely, such as when it is still relevant to current work or was not concluded, unarchive it by copying it back to the talk page from the archive, and deleting it from the archive. Do not unarchive a thread that was effectively closed; instead, start a new discussion and link to the archived prior discussion."In most cases, I think starting a new thread is preferable. Going forward you can use {{ Pin message}}. It is probably best to discuss this issue on the relevant talk page to establish consensus for this specific case. Chris Troutman ( talk) 03:08, 20 June 2022 (UTC)
I created a talk page subpage for an archive just now and instead of a blank page that I would simply add the 'AAN' template to I got a complicated screen inviting me to start a new discussion. This seems new to me, is there any way to bypass it and carry on as normal? Thanks Nimbus (Cumulus nimbus floats by) 18:25, 21 July 2022 (UTC)
In the end, I think 14 days should be enough for archiving. However some discussions are extreme and in the news topic, there are a lot of discussion, so we can archive sooner than 14 days? Thingofme ( talk) 03:34, 26 February 2022 (UTC)
Adding two cents, echoing Graham87: I finally decided to investigate how archiving works partly in frustration with overly aggressive archiving. For talk pages with infrequent additions, there is no need to sweep away discussions after a couple weeks and leave a mostly blank talk page. Often past discussions, esp. ones that establish notable points of consensus for an article, can remain relevant for months or years. The minthreads parameter seems like an excellent idea. CAVincent ( talk) 05:17, 18 August 2022 (UTC)
I'd like to get the archiving working again on Talk:Stanley Kubrick. However, there's massive archives there already, and I fear breaking things if I just yank out User:HBC Archive Indexerbot and stuff Miszabot in its place - as I'm not all that skilled at backend work. Is it actually the case that if I did as I just mentioned, everything would transparently work? If not, is there a guide somewhere on migrating from one to the other? cheers. anastrophe, an editor he is. 21:42, 17 October 2022 (UTC)
What happens if you edit an archived talk page? Cwater1 ( talk) 23:25, 3 November 2022 (UTC)
I think this may require special handling. The page Talk:Killing of Caylee Anthony is partially broken, because the archives were not moved when the article was renamed from 'Death of Caylee Anthony'. I was trying to fix the autoarchiving, and became lost because even though it shows that archiving is in place, there were no archives linked on the page. So I think this needs someone with page mover grants...? cheers. anastrophe, an editor he is. 01:28, 10 November 2022 (UTC)
Archived talk pages generally have a notification reading "Do not edit the contents of this page." Does this apply if a talk page has been vandalized, then archived? Is it OK to remove the vandalism in this cases, or should it be left as is?
For the purposes of this, "vandalism" means the most blatant of the blatant -- editing somebody else's comment and/or template to include crude vandalism along the lines of "i fucked your mom," making it appear that they originally said it. Gnomingstuff ( talk) 08:21, 28 March 2023 (UTC)
Can someone please explain how to archive a single discussion thread on a talk page? Thanks. Sng Pal ( talk) 07:00, 1 July 2023 (UTC)
In the lead we say
Archiving one's own user talk page is optional; some users simply blank the page, as the history is kept available for future reference, but this is not considered the best practice (as it makes things more difficult to find and link). For this specific case, the use of "permalinks" can provide an easy way to display an archived view of a talk page at a given moment, though there's no control on thread organization or presentation. Removal of content from your user talk page, such as warnings posted by others, is considered evidence you have seen the content; this is true whether the removal was manual or automatic. (emph mine)
This isn't making sense to me -- is the bolded sentence actually specifically about user talk pages? Valereee ( talk) 14:27, 17 August 2023 (UTC)
From here, I pasted this:
{{subst:Setup cluebot archiving|archives=yes}}
at Talk:Derek_Williams_(musician) over the weekend, below all the curly bracket info at the top of the page, and according to the article above, the archiving should have kicked in within a couple of days. The bot has worked elswhere I have used it. Any suggestions as to why this is not working? Chrisdevelop ( talk) 14:01, 19 October 2023 (UTC)
|minkeepthreads = 5
- this means the bot will always leave at least 5 threads (header level 2 sections) on the page before it attempts to archive any, and
Talk:Derek Williams (musician) is currently sitting at just 3, so the bot won't attempt to archive any threads right now.
Aidan9382 (
talk)
14:25, 19 October 2023 (UTC)
The
Wikipedia:Featured articles process appears to regularly use pagenames of the form Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/<Article name>/archiveN
for active, ongoing discussion. I raised a discussion about this, and your feedback would be welcome at
WT:Featured article candidates#Use of 'archiveN' as subpage name for active, non-archival page. Thanks,
Mathglot (
talk)
18:52, 7 November 2023 (UTC)