So as per the discussion here, I think there is general agreement this map needs to be updated so it doesn't show that Granville station (TransLink) and Vancouver City Centre station are together an interchange station. There is no direct connection between them (the connection through the mall is not always available and is reliant on a third party) and showing them as having such is confusing for riders. Joeyconnick ( talk) 19:21, 4 December 2016 (UTC)
- I would like to add my voice to those in agreement that the interchange should not exist. It has always (to my knowledge) been known as an unofficial transfer point but it is by no means a direct connection (whether through the mall or outside) and has never been shown on official diagrams/maps as being a direct connection.
Sweetnhappy (
talk) 23:29, 4 December 2016 (UTC)
- I am more than a little disturbed to realize that this objective inaccuracy has existed on Wikipedia since at least November of 2015, and that it has been perpetuated through multiple versions of the map, even as the service lines and system structure have changed around it. Is there no way to contact and compel the mapmaker to revise? (I presume that he or she made the map in good faith, despite the error.) Does anyone have the skills to recreate the system map from scratch, without the problem, or otherwise have access to an open-source version published since the Evergreen extension?
2601:182:CE00:C:4819:64CB:BB4E:C5AD (
talk) 22:10, 5 December 2016 (UTC)
- I could easily create a new one but I am wary of doing so due to the specific license used. I'm going to ping Paul (
Crazyjoeda), both here and on the Wikimedia Commons talk page, and hopefully he can comment and/or make the appropriate adjustments.
Sweetnhappy (
talk) 23:59, 5 December 2016 (UTC)
- That's a pretty standard licence for images for use on wikipedia... you just attribute and use the same licence for your remixed/altered work. i.e. by putting it up for use on wikipedia, it's fair game for alteration. —
Joeyconnick (
talk) 01:28, 6 December 2016 (UTC)
- Hey, all. So I just did a little Googling and turned up this:
https://www.tourbytransit.com/vancouver/public-transit/skytrain-map It appears to have been adapted directly from a prior Wikipedia Commons map, so if
User:Joeyconnick above is correct, then this adapted map should remain under the same license and could therefore be used to illustrate the Skytrain article (despite having been adapted by someone outside of Wikipedia). Thoughts? I would love to swap the images out sooner rather than later, in order to stop showing an in-system transfer where none exists.
2601:182:CE00:C:CC92:F5DD:E9E4:24F2 (
talk) 23:21, 13 December 2016 (UTC)
- Great find. Interestingly, that image is actually on Wikimedia Commons in .svg format (though slightly outdated) so it should not be difficult to update it and update it in place (it has had several authors revise it, including the primary one). I'll get to work on updating it shortly.
Sweetnhappy (
talk) 00:48, 14 December 2016 (UTC)
- Sounds good. That tourbytransit.com site did a pretty good job, though, so if the terms of the Creative Commons are such that fair use continues to apply to subsequent revisions, then perhaps it's worth using theirs. I did notice that they (somewhat nonsensically) put an arrow toward last stop on the Evergreen Extension (Lafarge Lake–Douglas), rather than drawing a station dot. That could be fixed in about 2 seconds in Photoshop by anyone with an active Creative Cloud account.
2601:182:CE00:C:C575:54F2:252C:8263 (
talk) 02:44, 14 December 2016 (UTC)
- Good find... it's a little rough in places but overall it seems to have most features. In order to maintain simplicity, can we remove the future Canada Line station indications (which aren't fully accurate because they're missing YVR 3 or whatever it's called) and the grey arrow to UBC... oh... and correct the names to use n-dashes and not hyphens (Joyce-Collingwood) or slashes (Sperling/Burnaby Lake)? —
Joeyconnick (
talk) 03:11, 14 December 2016 (UTC)
- I have updated the
SVG and will be replacing the current image on the SkyTrain article. Note that I did not replace the hyphens (didn't want to retype the stuff (my eyes are giving out on me due to my head cold), the future stations have been removed, and UBC and To Langley
are still presenthave been removed. Sweetnhappy ( talk) 07:44, 14 December 2016 (UTC)- Looks great! — Joeyconnick ( talk) 07:47, 14 December 2016 (UTC)
- I have updated the
SVG and will be replacing the current image on the SkyTrain article. Note that I did not replace the hyphens (didn't want to retype the stuff (my eyes are giving out on me due to my head cold), the future stations have been removed, and UBC and To Langley
- Good find... it's a little rough in places but overall it seems to have most features. In order to maintain simplicity, can we remove the future Canada Line station indications (which aren't fully accurate because they're missing YVR 3 or whatever it's called) and the grey arrow to UBC... oh... and correct the names to use n-dashes and not hyphens (Joyce-Collingwood) or slashes (Sperling/Burnaby Lake)? —
Joeyconnick (
talk) 03:11, 14 December 2016 (UTC)
- Sounds good. That tourbytransit.com site did a pretty good job, though, so if the terms of the Creative Commons are such that fair use continues to apply to subsequent revisions, then perhaps it's worth using theirs. I did notice that they (somewhat nonsensically) put an arrow toward last stop on the Evergreen Extension (Lafarge Lake–Douglas), rather than drawing a station dot. That could be fixed in about 2 seconds in Photoshop by anyone with an active Creative Cloud account.
2601:182:CE00:C:C575:54F2:252C:8263 (
talk) 02:44, 14 December 2016 (UTC)
- Great find. Interestingly, that image is actually on Wikimedia Commons in .svg format (though slightly outdated) so it should not be difficult to update it and update it in place (it has had several authors revise it, including the primary one). I'll get to work on updating it shortly.
Sweetnhappy (
talk) 00:48, 14 December 2016 (UTC)
- Hey, all. So I just did a little Googling and turned up this:
https://www.tourbytransit.com/vancouver/public-transit/skytrain-map It appears to have been adapted directly from a prior Wikipedia Commons map, so if
User:Joeyconnick above is correct, then this adapted map should remain under the same license and could therefore be used to illustrate the Skytrain article (despite having been adapted by someone outside of Wikipedia). Thoughts? I would love to swap the images out sooner rather than later, in order to stop showing an in-system transfer where none exists.
2601:182:CE00:C:CC92:F5DD:E9E4:24F2 (
talk) 23:21, 13 December 2016 (UTC)
- That's a pretty standard licence for images for use on wikipedia... you just attribute and use the same licence for your remixed/altered work. i.e. by putting it up for use on wikipedia, it's fair game for alteration. —
Joeyconnick (
talk) 01:28, 6 December 2016 (UTC)
- I could easily create a new one but I am wary of doing so due to the specific license used. I'm going to ping Paul (
Crazyjoeda), both here and on the Wikimedia Commons talk page, and hopefully he can comment and/or make the appropriate adjustments.
Sweetnhappy (
talk) 23:59, 5 December 2016 (UTC)
- I am more than a little disturbed to realize that this objective inaccuracy has existed on Wikipedia since at least November of 2015, and that it has been perpetuated through multiple versions of the map, even as the service lines and system structure have changed around it. Is there no way to contact and compel the mapmaker to revise? (I presume that he or she made the map in good faith, despite the error.) Does anyone have the skills to recreate the system map from scratch, without the problem, or otherwise have access to an open-source version published since the Evergreen extension?
2601:182:CE00:C:4819:64CB:BB4E:C5AD (
talk) 22:10, 5 December 2016 (UTC)
Fantastic! I'm sure we could all oscillate for days on whether the separate green/yellow overlay segment is confusing, how to best represent the non-Skytrain connection (B-Lines, West Coast Express) without sowing confusion or adding clutter, and the relative merits of n- or m-dashes. But for now I'm just glad this functionally-accurate map is there! 2601:182:CE00:C:291F:1370:C536:8F27 ( talk) 16:25, 14 December 2016 (UTC)
- I did the yellow with green outline as it matches the maps inside the SkyTrain cars and the maps at Evergreen Extension stations. Anyway, I too am glad it's now updated and yes, those minor items can be dealt with at a later time. Sweetnhappy ( talk) 22:07, 14 December 2016 (UTC)
It would be really great if this map (which is awesome, btw) included the full station names so as not to be confusing to casual viewers who are not Metro Vancouver transit experts. Having Broadway–City Hall station referred to as "City Hall" when Commercial–Broadway station is referred to as "Broadway" is highly problematic; it's unlikely anyone who is heading to Cambie and Broadway on the Canada Line refers to it as "going to City Hall" (unless they are actually going to City Hall itself). Similarly, many of the shortened names do not include pertinent info found in the full name: Richmond–Brighouse, Oakridge–41st Avenue, Vancouver City Centre, Yaletown-Roundhouse, etc. Joeyconnick ( talk) 11:42 am, Today (UTC−8)
- First, my apologies, Joeyconnick, that this section was erased by my edit. Now for addressing the map's labels, I do believe that full names are the best way to go, especially considering that this map does appear on major pages such as SkyTrain (Vancouver), which are used by people with differing knowledge about the system. Sweetnhappy ( talk) 07:14, 5 December 2016 (UTC)
So as per the discussion here, I think there is general agreement this map needs to be updated so it doesn't show that Granville station (TransLink) and Vancouver City Centre station are together an interchange station. There is no direct connection between them (the connection through the mall is not always available and is reliant on a third party) and showing them as having such is confusing for riders. Joeyconnick ( talk) 19:21, 4 December 2016 (UTC)
- I would like to add my voice to those in agreement that the interchange should not exist. It has always (to my knowledge) been known as an unofficial transfer point but it is by no means a direct connection (whether through the mall or outside) and has never been shown on official diagrams/maps as being a direct connection.
Sweetnhappy (
talk) 23:29, 4 December 2016 (UTC)
- I am more than a little disturbed to realize that this objective inaccuracy has existed on Wikipedia since at least November of 2015, and that it has been perpetuated through multiple versions of the map, even as the service lines and system structure have changed around it. Is there no way to contact and compel the mapmaker to revise? (I presume that he or she made the map in good faith, despite the error.) Does anyone have the skills to recreate the system map from scratch, without the problem, or otherwise have access to an open-source version published since the Evergreen extension?
2601:182:CE00:C:4819:64CB:BB4E:C5AD (
talk) 22:10, 5 December 2016 (UTC)
- I could easily create a new one but I am wary of doing so due to the specific license used. I'm going to ping Paul (
Crazyjoeda), both here and on the Wikimedia Commons talk page, and hopefully he can comment and/or make the appropriate adjustments.
Sweetnhappy (
talk) 23:59, 5 December 2016 (UTC)
- That's a pretty standard licence for images for use on wikipedia... you just attribute and use the same licence for your remixed/altered work. i.e. by putting it up for use on wikipedia, it's fair game for alteration. —
Joeyconnick (
talk) 01:28, 6 December 2016 (UTC)
- Hey, all. So I just did a little Googling and turned up this:
https://www.tourbytransit.com/vancouver/public-transit/skytrain-map It appears to have been adapted directly from a prior Wikipedia Commons map, so if
User:Joeyconnick above is correct, then this adapted map should remain under the same license and could therefore be used to illustrate the Skytrain article (despite having been adapted by someone outside of Wikipedia). Thoughts? I would love to swap the images out sooner rather than later, in order to stop showing an in-system transfer where none exists.
2601:182:CE00:C:CC92:F5DD:E9E4:24F2 (
talk) 23:21, 13 December 2016 (UTC)
- Great find. Interestingly, that image is actually on Wikimedia Commons in .svg format (though slightly outdated) so it should not be difficult to update it and update it in place (it has had several authors revise it, including the primary one). I'll get to work on updating it shortly.
Sweetnhappy (
talk) 00:48, 14 December 2016 (UTC)
- Sounds good. That tourbytransit.com site did a pretty good job, though, so if the terms of the Creative Commons are such that fair use continues to apply to subsequent revisions, then perhaps it's worth using theirs. I did notice that they (somewhat nonsensically) put an arrow toward last stop on the Evergreen Extension (Lafarge Lake–Douglas), rather than drawing a station dot. That could be fixed in about 2 seconds in Photoshop by anyone with an active Creative Cloud account.
2601:182:CE00:C:C575:54F2:252C:8263 (
talk) 02:44, 14 December 2016 (UTC)
- Good find... it's a little rough in places but overall it seems to have most features. In order to maintain simplicity, can we remove the future Canada Line station indications (which aren't fully accurate because they're missing YVR 3 or whatever it's called) and the grey arrow to UBC... oh... and correct the names to use n-dashes and not hyphens (Joyce-Collingwood) or slashes (Sperling/Burnaby Lake)? —
Joeyconnick (
talk) 03:11, 14 December 2016 (UTC)
- I have updated the
SVG and will be replacing the current image on the SkyTrain article. Note that I did not replace the hyphens (didn't want to retype the stuff (my eyes are giving out on me due to my head cold), the future stations have been removed, and UBC and To Langley
are still presenthave been removed. Sweetnhappy ( talk) 07:44, 14 December 2016 (UTC)- Looks great! — Joeyconnick ( talk) 07:47, 14 December 2016 (UTC)
- I have updated the
SVG and will be replacing the current image on the SkyTrain article. Note that I did not replace the hyphens (didn't want to retype the stuff (my eyes are giving out on me due to my head cold), the future stations have been removed, and UBC and To Langley
- Good find... it's a little rough in places but overall it seems to have most features. In order to maintain simplicity, can we remove the future Canada Line station indications (which aren't fully accurate because they're missing YVR 3 or whatever it's called) and the grey arrow to UBC... oh... and correct the names to use n-dashes and not hyphens (Joyce-Collingwood) or slashes (Sperling/Burnaby Lake)? —
Joeyconnick (
talk) 03:11, 14 December 2016 (UTC)
- Sounds good. That tourbytransit.com site did a pretty good job, though, so if the terms of the Creative Commons are such that fair use continues to apply to subsequent revisions, then perhaps it's worth using theirs. I did notice that they (somewhat nonsensically) put an arrow toward last stop on the Evergreen Extension (Lafarge Lake–Douglas), rather than drawing a station dot. That could be fixed in about 2 seconds in Photoshop by anyone with an active Creative Cloud account.
2601:182:CE00:C:C575:54F2:252C:8263 (
talk) 02:44, 14 December 2016 (UTC)
- Great find. Interestingly, that image is actually on Wikimedia Commons in .svg format (though slightly outdated) so it should not be difficult to update it and update it in place (it has had several authors revise it, including the primary one). I'll get to work on updating it shortly.
Sweetnhappy (
talk) 00:48, 14 December 2016 (UTC)
- Hey, all. So I just did a little Googling and turned up this:
https://www.tourbytransit.com/vancouver/public-transit/skytrain-map It appears to have been adapted directly from a prior Wikipedia Commons map, so if
User:Joeyconnick above is correct, then this adapted map should remain under the same license and could therefore be used to illustrate the Skytrain article (despite having been adapted by someone outside of Wikipedia). Thoughts? I would love to swap the images out sooner rather than later, in order to stop showing an in-system transfer where none exists.
2601:182:CE00:C:CC92:F5DD:E9E4:24F2 (
talk) 23:21, 13 December 2016 (UTC)
- That's a pretty standard licence for images for use on wikipedia... you just attribute and use the same licence for your remixed/altered work. i.e. by putting it up for use on wikipedia, it's fair game for alteration. —
Joeyconnick (
talk) 01:28, 6 December 2016 (UTC)
- I could easily create a new one but I am wary of doing so due to the specific license used. I'm going to ping Paul (
Crazyjoeda), both here and on the Wikimedia Commons talk page, and hopefully he can comment and/or make the appropriate adjustments.
Sweetnhappy (
talk) 23:59, 5 December 2016 (UTC)
- I am more than a little disturbed to realize that this objective inaccuracy has existed on Wikipedia since at least November of 2015, and that it has been perpetuated through multiple versions of the map, even as the service lines and system structure have changed around it. Is there no way to contact and compel the mapmaker to revise? (I presume that he or she made the map in good faith, despite the error.) Does anyone have the skills to recreate the system map from scratch, without the problem, or otherwise have access to an open-source version published since the Evergreen extension?
2601:182:CE00:C:4819:64CB:BB4E:C5AD (
talk) 22:10, 5 December 2016 (UTC)
Fantastic! I'm sure we could all oscillate for days on whether the separate green/yellow overlay segment is confusing, how to best represent the non-Skytrain connection (B-Lines, West Coast Express) without sowing confusion or adding clutter, and the relative merits of n- or m-dashes. But for now I'm just glad this functionally-accurate map is there! 2601:182:CE00:C:291F:1370:C536:8F27 ( talk) 16:25, 14 December 2016 (UTC)
- I did the yellow with green outline as it matches the maps inside the SkyTrain cars and the maps at Evergreen Extension stations. Anyway, I too am glad it's now updated and yes, those minor items can be dealt with at a later time. Sweetnhappy ( talk) 22:07, 14 December 2016 (UTC)
It would be really great if this map (which is awesome, btw) included the full station names so as not to be confusing to casual viewers who are not Metro Vancouver transit experts. Having Broadway–City Hall station referred to as "City Hall" when Commercial–Broadway station is referred to as "Broadway" is highly problematic; it's unlikely anyone who is heading to Cambie and Broadway on the Canada Line refers to it as "going to City Hall" (unless they are actually going to City Hall itself). Similarly, many of the shortened names do not include pertinent info found in the full name: Richmond–Brighouse, Oakridge–41st Avenue, Vancouver City Centre, Yaletown-Roundhouse, etc. Joeyconnick ( talk) 11:42 am, Today (UTC−8)
- First, my apologies, Joeyconnick, that this section was erased by my edit. Now for addressing the map's labels, I do believe that full names are the best way to go, especially considering that this map does appear on major pages such as SkyTrain (Vancouver), which are used by people with differing knowledge about the system. Sweetnhappy ( talk) 07:14, 5 December 2016 (UTC)