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It's in the text. The map is derived from the text. So... -- 12.116.162.162 17:43, 2 November 2007 (UTC)
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I added a map of the Land of Israel, as defined in Numbers and Ezekiel. At first, I looked for a similar map but, to my surprise, could not find one that clearly displayed the names of the cities and mountains as spelled in the Bible. This information is 2,000 year old, yet no one drew this map before. Two days later, it was done! Why have I never seen this map before? Is there a big conspiracy or a religious edict I am not aware of? Emmanuelm 01:59, 22 October 2007 (UTC)
Your map is not right by the order of Halacha l'maaser. The true map is by the order of Bereishit, as guided by Rav Avraham Shapira Ztl and HaRav HaGaon Mordechai Eliyahu, relating to the works of Tevozot HaAretz and Rav M. Eliyahu's commentary on the Kitzur Shulchan Arukh. Even Chafetz Chaim Zt'L would disgree with this map- Rakach
The map is rather bizarre. It includes territories the Israelites never inhabited (Lebanon, mostly), but excludes territories they did rule - Bashan and Gilead. john k ( talk) 07:41, 29 December 2007 (UTC)
(copy-pasted from my user talk page. Emmanuelm ( talk) 13:19, 13 August 2008 (UTC)) Hi, I came across your image depicting the Land of Israel. I'm confused though by your choice of Mount Hor as Ras al Shaka in northern Lebanon. What is this location based on? According to the article on Mount Hor, as well as the 1911 Encyclopedia Britannica, 1901 Encyclopedia Biblica, and 1915 International Standard Bible Encyclopedia, Mount Hor's exact location isn't known, but the commonly floated possibilities (Jebel Nebi Harun, Jebel Madara, or Mount Hermon) appear to lie either inside modern day Israel, the Golan Heights, or on the border between Israel and Jordan. It seems to me that a more accurate representation of the northern border described in Numbers - "from the great sea ye shall point out for you mount Hor; From mount Hor ye shall point out your border unto the entrance of Hamath" - would be a border from the sea to one of these three points (Mount Hermon, for instance, which wouldn't be far from the modern border between Israel and Lebanon), that then ran northeast to Hamath. Interestingly, this would almost more closely match the map of the Kingdom of David]. ← George [ talk 11:37, 13 August 2008 (UTC)
The location of the nothern Mt Hor is not unknown, the traditional identification is Giaour-Dagh, see for example the Soncino Chumash commentary, maps should be based on tradition not modernist reinertpretations and original research. Kuratowski's Ghost ( talk) 12:46, 23 October 2008 (UTC)
Reference the location of Ras-el-Shakka. I have some photos of the place taken by my grandfather circa 1917. They show a prominent feature, and one is annotated "Ras-el-shakka, from Sheika Jedid across the bay. If these would help, I'd be glad to send them to someone. Punchbowl16 ( talk) 20:56, 13 September 2013 (UTC)
(This discussion was pasted from Talk:Promised Land)
It's in the text. The map is derived from the text. So... -- 12.116.162.162 17:43, 2 November 2007 (UTC)
(This discussion was pasted from Talk:Land of Israel)
I added a map of the Land of Israel, as defined in Numbers and Ezekiel. At first, I looked for a similar map but, to my surprise, could not find one that clearly displayed the names of the cities and mountains as spelled in the Bible. This information is 2,000 year old, yet no one drew this map before. Two days later, it was done! Why have I never seen this map before? Is there a big conspiracy or a religious edict I am not aware of? Emmanuelm 01:59, 22 October 2007 (UTC)
Your map is not right by the order of Halacha l'maaser. The true map is by the order of Bereishit, as guided by Rav Avraham Shapira Ztl and HaRav HaGaon Mordechai Eliyahu, relating to the works of Tevozot HaAretz and Rav M. Eliyahu's commentary on the Kitzur Shulchan Arukh. Even Chafetz Chaim Zt'L would disgree with this map- Rakach
The map is rather bizarre. It includes territories the Israelites never inhabited (Lebanon, mostly), but excludes territories they did rule - Bashan and Gilead. john k ( talk) 07:41, 29 December 2007 (UTC)
(copy-pasted from my user talk page. Emmanuelm ( talk) 13:19, 13 August 2008 (UTC)) Hi, I came across your image depicting the Land of Israel. I'm confused though by your choice of Mount Hor as Ras al Shaka in northern Lebanon. What is this location based on? According to the article on Mount Hor, as well as the 1911 Encyclopedia Britannica, 1901 Encyclopedia Biblica, and 1915 International Standard Bible Encyclopedia, Mount Hor's exact location isn't known, but the commonly floated possibilities (Jebel Nebi Harun, Jebel Madara, or Mount Hermon) appear to lie either inside modern day Israel, the Golan Heights, or on the border between Israel and Jordan. It seems to me that a more accurate representation of the northern border described in Numbers - "from the great sea ye shall point out for you mount Hor; From mount Hor ye shall point out your border unto the entrance of Hamath" - would be a border from the sea to one of these three points (Mount Hermon, for instance, which wouldn't be far from the modern border between Israel and Lebanon), that then ran northeast to Hamath. Interestingly, this would almost more closely match the map of the Kingdom of David]. ← George [ talk 11:37, 13 August 2008 (UTC)
The location of the nothern Mt Hor is not unknown, the traditional identification is Giaour-Dagh, see for example the Soncino Chumash commentary, maps should be based on tradition not modernist reinertpretations and original research. Kuratowski's Ghost ( talk) 12:46, 23 October 2008 (UTC)
Reference the location of Ras-el-Shakka. I have some photos of the place taken by my grandfather circa 1917. They show a prominent feature, and one is annotated "Ras-el-shakka, from Sheika Jedid across the bay. If these would help, I'd be glad to send them to someone. Punchbowl16 ( talk) 20:56, 13 September 2013 (UTC)