Eh, this is bull crap. This is just about countries that doesn't have any state religion. -- 212.247.27.121 15:53, 23 October 2007 (UTC)
Most of Australia could be considered un-secular thanks to the Government offering schools $20k to allow local religious volunteers, under the Australian Government's School Chaplaincy Program, to come in once a week and "show the way of Jesus". My personal opinion: What a joke to claim Secularity! This should be given as a warning to potential immigrants but it is a secret to the outside world, now I'm bloody stuck with it. 115.70.168.139 ( talk) 14:40, 12 November 2010 (UTC)
Well according to the main topic of religion in the country Islam in Tunisia, it states: "The Constitution declares that Islam is the official state religion and stipulates that the President must be a muslim." It shows it is not a secular country according to your map. Moshin 17:07, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
I wonder why this article wasn't included Laos. Remember Laos is a Communist state!
Angelo De La Paz ( talk) 22:55, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
According to both constitutions it does not mention secularism in any of the article's, a country is known secular if mentioned in the constitution itself, it allows people the freedom of practice of thier religion. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Moshino31 ( talk • contribs) 16:05, 2 February 2008 (UTC)
Where in the "source" says that Argentina is a Religion State? Where does it even mention Argentina? Which religion do they have there? -- Loukinho ( talk) 08:15, 26 April 2008 (UTC)
- Argentina does have a state religion. It's states in the Article 2 of the Argentine Constitution.
"Section 2.- The Federal Government supports the Roman Catholic Apostolic religion." http://www.senado.gov.ar/web/interes/constitucion/english.php — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.15.173.125 ( talk) 00:37, 10 May 2012 (UTC)
How can anyone seriously create a map like this and put that the UK is 'ambiguous or no data'! Of any Western State England is clearly one with a State Religion with the Head of State the Head of the Church of England. I suggest that the whole article be removed to allow someone with a bit of knowledge to write a new one. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.188.25.39 ( talk) 22:04, 10 January 2011 (UTC)
All of the united kingdom is officially protestant. not just England. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.129.52.89 ( talk) 11:04, 7 June 2008 (UTC)
The Church in Wales has been disestablished, but the churches of England and Scotland are prettymuch established churches. 31.205.19.231 ( talk) 04:59, 30 April 2012 (UTC)
It seems like this map is mostly WP:OR with not much fact to back up the claims. Many errors are listed above, I'll add the case of Finland that is blue here although it should be in red. I'll remove this map from articles untill the creator has fixed it or at least cared to adress all the concerns raised here. JdeJ ( talk) 10:11, 17 November 2008 (UTC)
Does this really need to be said? While Israel does guarantee freedom of religion for citizens, it is in its very conception a state whose established religion is Judaism. A Jewish and democratic state is still, undeniably, a Jewish state. A secular nation could not have such an office as the Chief Rabbinate of Israel, nor could it have a "Law of Return" delimited by religious identity. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.49.43.222 ( talk) 01:43, 24 January 2011 (UTC)
The religion state of Bangladesh and Tadjikistan is Islam. Tunisia is officialy a secular state.
Why is the US considered a secular country? They swear to god in court and on the money it clearly says "In God we trust". Is that really secular? Where did this info come from? Who rated it? Evalowyn ( talk) 18:44, 23 June 2011 (UTC)
German taxpayers pay 10billion € every year to church.-- 91.15.57.22 ( talk) 15:31, 13 August 2011 (UTC)
Bangladesh is not a secular state - Islam is the official religion of Bangladesh, as stated in the Constitution of Bangladesh. See: Article 2A (inserted by the Constitution Eighth Amendment Act, 1988). Here is a news article [1] from The Daily Star, the largest circulating English daily newspaper in Bangladesh. 117.204.91.81 ( talk) 17:24, 9 October 2011 (UTC)
Britain is not really secular. The political royalty are the head of their church. ThePepel-Eterni ( talk) 23:47, 25 April 2012 (UTC)
Norway became a secular country recently, the map must be corrected. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Eisenbahnmorser ( talk • contribs) 12:30, 17 May 2012 (UTC)
Let's knock the out the most obvious one (which has been mentioned above): Israel. How on Earth can we consider Israel to be a secular state when they are clear in their intentions and actions? Actually, let's hold onto this for a moment.
Returning to Israel, they do not have a constitution, and their de-facto "Basic Law" that serves as it's constitution specifically mentions Israel as a Jewish state. [1] [2]
The constitution of Iraq, in particular, makes several references to granting full religious rights and freedom to non-Muslims, specifically mentioning Christians, Yazidis, and Mandean Sabeans in Article 2 [3]. It continues on to mention in Article 14 "Iraqis are equal before the law without discrimination based on gender, race, ethnicity, nationality, origin, color, religion, sect, belief or opinion, or economic or social status."
It seems that Arab or Islamic states have been judged to a different standard than non-Arab or Islamic states in this graphic. As a result, I suggest that it is either heavily reviewed and corrected and this file is then flagged for deletion, or that the file is flagged for deletion with no revision in it's place. STEVENJ0HNS 1 ( talk) 00:36, 17 January 2013 (UTC)
I strongly agree that US, UK, Australia and Israel are not secular states. Turkey is also NOT a secular state. The "laicite" act in Turkish constitution is just a window dressing. It has no function. see:
Presidency of Religious Affairs. For Israel -as a jewish state; it is not possible to call it "secular." It would be a zionist move to call Israel a secular state. "Israel" as a word is a religious name. All the flag, rituals, laws, symbols, etc. are religious. "Jew" itself is a religious category. Jew is an
Ethnoreligious group. An ethnoreligious group is a religious group by definition. You become a Jew by converting to Judaism. And children of Judaists (Jews) are Jew -of course. Just like children of Muslims are Muslim and children of Christians are Christian. If there is a way of "
converting" into a group then it is a religious group. Nonreligious designation is "hebrew". see:
One-state solution--
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Thailand does NOT have a state religion as indicated in the map. The only article in the Constitution which comes close is: "Article 9: The King is a Buddhist and Upholder of Religions", and "Section 79. The State shall patronise and protect Buddhism as the religion observed by most Thais for a long period of time and other religions, promote good understanding and harmony among followers of all religions as well as encourage the application of religious principles to create virtue and develop the quality of life."
The debate was had on whether to specify Buddhism as the state religion, but that notion was rejected. 198.103.104.11 ( talk) 23:09, 20 February 2013 (UTC)
I just logged in, and I am doubting that the map is accurate. I appreciate the user who put this together, but I worry that it was haphazardly researched. I was particularly surprised by Europe, as I know that there *were* established Churches in Scandinavia. After a bit of research, I found that Sweden and Norway only RECENTLY got rid of their Separation of Church and State. Norway did this only in May 2012. So those are accurate, at least.
Another problem: the idea that there is "no data" for the United Kingdom. England has an established Church that is the state Church; citizens of the UK are not obliged to join, however. If the other non-English parts of the UK (Scotland, Wales, etc.) are not part of this arrangement), then we should color them differently as we do in, i.e., states of the United States and Mexico in the Same Sex Marriage article.
I disagree with the person who thinks that the US is not a secular state; I'm not doubting that most of the countries are accurate, but, in particular, there are many shades of grey. I am going to take the picture down until we decide a better way to color the map. Perhaps the year that the state decided to separate itself from the Church? Would that be better? -- cpsteiner 19:25 UTC 5 Mar 2013 —Preceding undated comment added 19:26, 5 March 2013 (UTC)
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Eh, this is bull crap. This is just about countries that doesn't have any state religion. -- 212.247.27.121 15:53, 23 October 2007 (UTC)
Most of Australia could be considered un-secular thanks to the Government offering schools $20k to allow local religious volunteers, under the Australian Government's School Chaplaincy Program, to come in once a week and "show the way of Jesus". My personal opinion: What a joke to claim Secularity! This should be given as a warning to potential immigrants but it is a secret to the outside world, now I'm bloody stuck with it. 115.70.168.139 ( talk) 14:40, 12 November 2010 (UTC)
Well according to the main topic of religion in the country Islam in Tunisia, it states: "The Constitution declares that Islam is the official state religion and stipulates that the President must be a muslim." It shows it is not a secular country according to your map. Moshin 17:07, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
I wonder why this article wasn't included Laos. Remember Laos is a Communist state!
Angelo De La Paz ( talk) 22:55, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
According to both constitutions it does not mention secularism in any of the article's, a country is known secular if mentioned in the constitution itself, it allows people the freedom of practice of thier religion. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Moshino31 ( talk • contribs) 16:05, 2 February 2008 (UTC)
Where in the "source" says that Argentina is a Religion State? Where does it even mention Argentina? Which religion do they have there? -- Loukinho ( talk) 08:15, 26 April 2008 (UTC)
- Argentina does have a state religion. It's states in the Article 2 of the Argentine Constitution.
"Section 2.- The Federal Government supports the Roman Catholic Apostolic religion." http://www.senado.gov.ar/web/interes/constitucion/english.php — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.15.173.125 ( talk) 00:37, 10 May 2012 (UTC)
How can anyone seriously create a map like this and put that the UK is 'ambiguous or no data'! Of any Western State England is clearly one with a State Religion with the Head of State the Head of the Church of England. I suggest that the whole article be removed to allow someone with a bit of knowledge to write a new one. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.188.25.39 ( talk) 22:04, 10 January 2011 (UTC)
All of the united kingdom is officially protestant. not just England. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.129.52.89 ( talk) 11:04, 7 June 2008 (UTC)
The Church in Wales has been disestablished, but the churches of England and Scotland are prettymuch established churches. 31.205.19.231 ( talk) 04:59, 30 April 2012 (UTC)
It seems like this map is mostly WP:OR with not much fact to back up the claims. Many errors are listed above, I'll add the case of Finland that is blue here although it should be in red. I'll remove this map from articles untill the creator has fixed it or at least cared to adress all the concerns raised here. JdeJ ( talk) 10:11, 17 November 2008 (UTC)
Does this really need to be said? While Israel does guarantee freedom of religion for citizens, it is in its very conception a state whose established religion is Judaism. A Jewish and democratic state is still, undeniably, a Jewish state. A secular nation could not have such an office as the Chief Rabbinate of Israel, nor could it have a "Law of Return" delimited by religious identity. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.49.43.222 ( talk) 01:43, 24 January 2011 (UTC)
The religion state of Bangladesh and Tadjikistan is Islam. Tunisia is officialy a secular state.
Why is the US considered a secular country? They swear to god in court and on the money it clearly says "In God we trust". Is that really secular? Where did this info come from? Who rated it? Evalowyn ( talk) 18:44, 23 June 2011 (UTC)
German taxpayers pay 10billion € every year to church.-- 91.15.57.22 ( talk) 15:31, 13 August 2011 (UTC)
Bangladesh is not a secular state - Islam is the official religion of Bangladesh, as stated in the Constitution of Bangladesh. See: Article 2A (inserted by the Constitution Eighth Amendment Act, 1988). Here is a news article [1] from The Daily Star, the largest circulating English daily newspaper in Bangladesh. 117.204.91.81 ( talk) 17:24, 9 October 2011 (UTC)
Britain is not really secular. The political royalty are the head of their church. ThePepel-Eterni ( talk) 23:47, 25 April 2012 (UTC)
Norway became a secular country recently, the map must be corrected. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Eisenbahnmorser ( talk • contribs) 12:30, 17 May 2012 (UTC)
Let's knock the out the most obvious one (which has been mentioned above): Israel. How on Earth can we consider Israel to be a secular state when they are clear in their intentions and actions? Actually, let's hold onto this for a moment.
Returning to Israel, they do not have a constitution, and their de-facto "Basic Law" that serves as it's constitution specifically mentions Israel as a Jewish state. [1] [2]
The constitution of Iraq, in particular, makes several references to granting full religious rights and freedom to non-Muslims, specifically mentioning Christians, Yazidis, and Mandean Sabeans in Article 2 [3]. It continues on to mention in Article 14 "Iraqis are equal before the law without discrimination based on gender, race, ethnicity, nationality, origin, color, religion, sect, belief or opinion, or economic or social status."
It seems that Arab or Islamic states have been judged to a different standard than non-Arab or Islamic states in this graphic. As a result, I suggest that it is either heavily reviewed and corrected and this file is then flagged for deletion, or that the file is flagged for deletion with no revision in it's place. STEVENJ0HNS 1 ( talk) 00:36, 17 January 2013 (UTC)
I strongly agree that US, UK, Australia and Israel are not secular states. Turkey is also NOT a secular state. The "laicite" act in Turkish constitution is just a window dressing. It has no function. see:
Presidency of Religious Affairs. For Israel -as a jewish state; it is not possible to call it "secular." It would be a zionist move to call Israel a secular state. "Israel" as a word is a religious name. All the flag, rituals, laws, symbols, etc. are religious. "Jew" itself is a religious category. Jew is an
Ethnoreligious group. An ethnoreligious group is a religious group by definition. You become a Jew by converting to Judaism. And children of Judaists (Jews) are Jew -of course. Just like children of Muslims are Muslim and children of Christians are Christian. If there is a way of "
converting" into a group then it is a religious group. Nonreligious designation is "hebrew". see:
One-state solution--
144.122.104.211 (
talk)
18:56, 1 February 2013 (UTC)
Thailand does NOT have a state religion as indicated in the map. The only article in the Constitution which comes close is: "Article 9: The King is a Buddhist and Upholder of Religions", and "Section 79. The State shall patronise and protect Buddhism as the religion observed by most Thais for a long period of time and other religions, promote good understanding and harmony among followers of all religions as well as encourage the application of religious principles to create virtue and develop the quality of life."
The debate was had on whether to specify Buddhism as the state religion, but that notion was rejected. 198.103.104.11 ( talk) 23:09, 20 February 2013 (UTC)
I just logged in, and I am doubting that the map is accurate. I appreciate the user who put this together, but I worry that it was haphazardly researched. I was particularly surprised by Europe, as I know that there *were* established Churches in Scandinavia. After a bit of research, I found that Sweden and Norway only RECENTLY got rid of their Separation of Church and State. Norway did this only in May 2012. So those are accurate, at least.
Another problem: the idea that there is "no data" for the United Kingdom. England has an established Church that is the state Church; citizens of the UK are not obliged to join, however. If the other non-English parts of the UK (Scotland, Wales, etc.) are not part of this arrangement), then we should color them differently as we do in, i.e., states of the United States and Mexico in the Same Sex Marriage article.
I disagree with the person who thinks that the US is not a secular state; I'm not doubting that most of the countries are accurate, but, in particular, there are many shades of grey. I am going to take the picture down until we decide a better way to color the map. Perhaps the year that the state decided to separate itself from the Church? Would that be better? -- cpsteiner 19:25 UTC 5 Mar 2013 —Preceding undated comment added 19:26, 5 March 2013 (UTC)
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