Bogomolov.PL ( talk) 19:16, 7 March 2009 (UTC)
The conception of this map is difficult to understand for me. If the task was to show actual situation June 22 1941, so what with 1938 boundaries? In 1941 was no Austria, Czechoslovakia, Poland, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Danzig. It was no neutral Finland, you see, as Finland took part in this war as German satellite. Hungary/Slovakian bundary was very different as Hungary/Romanian too. New German boundaries - it is special question, but all mapping sources you need are present in Wiki.
And about details. If you are sure you've depicted North Bukovina - you are not right. The same with the KFSSR - its territory you didn't show on this map, sorry. Moldavian SSR boundaries were not shown, sorry.
Slovakia took part in this war, it was a German satellite.
And if you don't show country divisions, so why you added SSR (USSR divisions) boundaries?
And all these arrows are very, very confusing.
And I strongely support Yaan's position to make a different colors for annexed territories and alliances Bogomolov.PL ( talk) 19:04, 9 March 2009 (UTC)
Dear Mosedschurte! It would be better to remember that you've created this map with the description (since February 12 to March 9) "Second world war map on June 1941". When I was talking to you about June 1941, your map had this description. When you wrote here "The map does not purport to depict "the situation on June 22, 1941", not has it ever purported to state this. It's simply a map showing the old beginning of 1938 borders and the German and Soviet military and political advances in Eastern Europe through late 1940." your map had the description from February 12. It was 19:16, 9 March 2009 (UTC). Next (NEXT!) you've made map description editions. It was 19:32, 9 March 2009 (UTC). Actually map description in your latest version is: "Map depicting most of Central and Eastern Europe, showing 1938 borders, along with Axis (black) and Soviet (red) military and political advances until late 1940". WikiPedia was designed to remember all edits, you see.
It is not very comfortable to discuss this way, you change your map description, but before you did this change, when you map had "Second world war map on June 1941" description, you wrote:
And about North Bukovina again - since August 1940 it was Ukrainian, but is shown as Romanian at your map. Why you are ignoring this problem? Bogomolov.PL ( talk) 22:59, 10 March 2009 (UTC)
Dear Mosedschurte! I'm really glad you've find a possibility to answer me.
Your map actual (it is possible you will change it again) description is:
Map depicting most of Central and Eastern Europe, showing 1938 borders, along with Axis (black) and Soviet (red) military and political advances until late 1940.
So my question again about the North Bukovina - since August 1940 it was Ukrainian (or Soviet), but is shown as Romanian at your map. Why you are ignoring this problem?
And what with the Finland neutrality problem? You shifted your map deadline from June 1941 to late 1940 (6 months back), but don't you see the alliance with Finland was one of the significant changes of the geopolitical situation in Europe? How do you think, dear Mosedschurte, may be a map, reflecting real progerman bloc structure before the war with the Soviets, will have better encyclopedic value? As it is no map reflecting situation of June 1941 (your map intended to be this kind of image is not actual now). Bogomolov.PL ( talk) 09:40, 11 March 2009 (UTC)
Bogomolov.PL ( talk) 19:16, 7 March 2009 (UTC)
The conception of this map is difficult to understand for me. If the task was to show actual situation June 22 1941, so what with 1938 boundaries? In 1941 was no Austria, Czechoslovakia, Poland, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Danzig. It was no neutral Finland, you see, as Finland took part in this war as German satellite. Hungary/Slovakian bundary was very different as Hungary/Romanian too. New German boundaries - it is special question, but all mapping sources you need are present in Wiki.
And about details. If you are sure you've depicted North Bukovina - you are not right. The same with the KFSSR - its territory you didn't show on this map, sorry. Moldavian SSR boundaries were not shown, sorry.
Slovakia took part in this war, it was a German satellite.
And if you don't show country divisions, so why you added SSR (USSR divisions) boundaries?
And all these arrows are very, very confusing.
And I strongely support Yaan's position to make a different colors for annexed territories and alliances Bogomolov.PL ( talk) 19:04, 9 March 2009 (UTC)
Dear Mosedschurte! It would be better to remember that you've created this map with the description (since February 12 to March 9) "Second world war map on June 1941". When I was talking to you about June 1941, your map had this description. When you wrote here "The map does not purport to depict "the situation on June 22, 1941", not has it ever purported to state this. It's simply a map showing the old beginning of 1938 borders and the German and Soviet military and political advances in Eastern Europe through late 1940." your map had the description from February 12. It was 19:16, 9 March 2009 (UTC). Next (NEXT!) you've made map description editions. It was 19:32, 9 March 2009 (UTC). Actually map description in your latest version is: "Map depicting most of Central and Eastern Europe, showing 1938 borders, along with Axis (black) and Soviet (red) military and political advances until late 1940". WikiPedia was designed to remember all edits, you see.
It is not very comfortable to discuss this way, you change your map description, but before you did this change, when you map had "Second world war map on June 1941" description, you wrote:
And about North Bukovina again - since August 1940 it was Ukrainian, but is shown as Romanian at your map. Why you are ignoring this problem? Bogomolov.PL ( talk) 22:59, 10 March 2009 (UTC)
Dear Mosedschurte! I'm really glad you've find a possibility to answer me.
Your map actual (it is possible you will change it again) description is:
Map depicting most of Central and Eastern Europe, showing 1938 borders, along with Axis (black) and Soviet (red) military and political advances until late 1940.
So my question again about the North Bukovina - since August 1940 it was Ukrainian (or Soviet), but is shown as Romanian at your map. Why you are ignoring this problem?
And what with the Finland neutrality problem? You shifted your map deadline from June 1941 to late 1940 (6 months back), but don't you see the alliance with Finland was one of the significant changes of the geopolitical situation in Europe? How do you think, dear Mosedschurte, may be a map, reflecting real progerman bloc structure before the war with the Soviets, will have better encyclopedic value? As it is no map reflecting situation of June 1941 (your map intended to be this kind of image is not actual now). Bogomolov.PL ( talk) 09:40, 11 March 2009 (UTC)