(Discussion placed here to get over the archiving issue on Idea Lab)
Hello, folks. It's observed that helpees in our IRC help channel (#wikipedia-en-help) sometimes find it confusing chatting on IRC [Original research
. The problems of the current live chat mechanism are:
!link
. This works well, but it may be better if the links are parsed automatically (by the helpees' client), reducing confusion./whois
result (They are automatically assigned a host name of something like gateway/web/freenode/ip.xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx
), thus harming their security (every user can see it) and privacy (Hurray, we are all CheckUsers!)There are various ways to solve the problem, including:
gateway/web/wikipedia/Username
(This is not a Wikimedia cloak like wikipedia/Username
and not subject to the
250-edit requirement, and this provides account ownership verification as well). The nicknames shown on the chat will be linked to the corresponding user pages (if available, the nickname-user association will be determined by the cloak). Additionally, helpers will be able to toggle some of the helpees' preferences (non-sensitive ones, via a bot command in the helper coordination channel #wikipedia-en-helpers), to help them enable/disable some settings (VisualEditor, for example). This requires support from
freenode for the gateway cloak thing.Zhaofeng Li [ talk... contribs... 08:17, 8 February 2014 (UTC)
I understand this way helpees do not see eachothers' messages. Please -- please! -- don't differentiate between helpers and helpees. Granted highlights are of different colour,
I will notice that the idea to integrate the chat into the wiki is not as unreasonable, however, it is a transparent environment, and we'd end up having to implement a way to save and potentially possibly moderate chat logs. We're only one step from mw:Flow here — it lets you view a page, eventually, in a very chat-like format, without having to reload a page to see new content (this is not yet implemented) or to add a message. (Hopefully it'd become more compact as time goes! And it would be possible to jigger things around and have them show up in any format you like. — as threads, as a big fat box with all messages in chronological order, or as a single thread.) On a side note, apparently the IP, wikilinks, authentication, and easiness of joining queries are solved there! -- Gryllida ( talk) 08:27, 8 February 2014 (UTC)
(Discussion placed here to get over the archiving issue on Idea Lab)
Hello, folks. It's observed that helpees in our IRC help channel (#wikipedia-en-help) sometimes find it confusing chatting on IRC [Original research
. The problems of the current live chat mechanism are:
!link
. This works well, but it may be better if the links are parsed automatically (by the helpees' client), reducing confusion./whois
result (They are automatically assigned a host name of something like gateway/web/freenode/ip.xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx
), thus harming their security (every user can see it) and privacy (Hurray, we are all CheckUsers!)There are various ways to solve the problem, including:
gateway/web/wikipedia/Username
(This is not a Wikimedia cloak like wikipedia/Username
and not subject to the
250-edit requirement, and this provides account ownership verification as well). The nicknames shown on the chat will be linked to the corresponding user pages (if available, the nickname-user association will be determined by the cloak). Additionally, helpers will be able to toggle some of the helpees' preferences (non-sensitive ones, via a bot command in the helper coordination channel #wikipedia-en-helpers), to help them enable/disable some settings (VisualEditor, for example). This requires support from
freenode for the gateway cloak thing.Zhaofeng Li [ talk... contribs... 08:17, 8 February 2014 (UTC)
I understand this way helpees do not see eachothers' messages. Please -- please! -- don't differentiate between helpers and helpees. Granted highlights are of different colour,
I will notice that the idea to integrate the chat into the wiki is not as unreasonable, however, it is a transparent environment, and we'd end up having to implement a way to save and potentially possibly moderate chat logs. We're only one step from mw:Flow here — it lets you view a page, eventually, in a very chat-like format, without having to reload a page to see new content (this is not yet implemented) or to add a message. (Hopefully it'd become more compact as time goes! And it would be possible to jigger things around and have them show up in any format you like. — as threads, as a big fat box with all messages in chronological order, or as a single thread.) On a side note, apparently the IP, wikilinks, authentication, and easiness of joining queries are solved there! -- Gryllida ( talk) 08:27, 8 February 2014 (UTC)